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jpeyton

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Originally posted by: K1052
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Well, the Middle East would get alot "hotter" if you know what I'm saying.

So would the lines at the gas station.

Only in the short term.

Not to say I endorse the idea of strategic nuclear relaliation against the ME in general as a response, however most of the oil infastructure and certainly the reserves would be untouched by a nuclear strike. Give the area a little while for the real hot radioisotopes to burn out and roll back in and repair whatever damage done. The SPR, domestic production, and a little help from our friends up north should see us through well enough until ME production started to come back online.

:roll: Rrrrriiiight. Just like how swiftly we've resolved all Iraqi conflict and restored their oil production? Keep dreaming. ME fields would be offline for several years.

Most of the oil industry lies outside the population centers, which would obviously be the targets of strategic nuclear strikes.

Exactly how dense are you?

Nuking a few million Muslims creates scores of family/friends with a grudge to settle (read: insurgents aka terrorists). Tens of thousands of miles of pipeline, and all it takes is one person with one rudimentary explosive to interrupt the flow of oil.

It's like Iraq on a larger scale. A bigger quagmire for our country to sink into.

If anyone is having a trouble with scale it is you.

If the US, Russia, China, or heck even the French decided to take the gloves off the Muslim world in the ME would end. Most of the nuclear systems remaing in the world were built to fight a far larger (more targerts) and more spread out opponant than the ME (NATO countries vs. USSR).

How exactly would a nuclear weapon prevent one man from planting a bomb on an oil pipeline in a ME desert?
 

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Anyone ever wish we could just transplant all the inhabitants fo the ME to another planet? There is no hope for peace over there. Even if the US totally stepped out they would just continue fighting each other and Israel. Even the factions within their own religion can't get long. This crap has been going on for thousands of years, long before the US ever got involved.
 

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Originally posted by: torpid
No one else is disturbed by the incredibly lowballed estimate of 30,000 people? Seriously, a nuclear missile in manhattan would probably kill several hundred thousand. We killed over 200,000 people with the WW2 bombs, and modern nukes are more powerful by far. A nuclear missile in LA or NYC is much more catastrophic than the OP seems to make it out to be.

I was thinking of a detonation in the harbor of a port city, where part of the blast radius would be in the ocean. Additionally, I said "immediate casualties" and I was thinking the nuke would be a comparably very small one
 

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Anyone ever wish we could just transplant all the inhabitants fo the ME to another planet? There is no hope for peace over there. Even if the US totally stepped out they would just continue fighting each other and Israel. Even the factions within their own religion can't get long. This crap has been going on for thousands of years, long before the US ever got involved.

Well I'm glad we're all looking at real solutions to the issues here. :laugh:
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Anyone ever wish we could just transplant all the inhabitants fo the ME to another planet? There is no hope for peace over there. Even if the US totally stepped out they would just continue fighting each other and Israel. Even the factions within their own religion can't get long. This crap has been going on for thousands of years, long before the US ever got involved.

Well I'm glad we're all looking at real solutions to the issues here. :laugh:

Like I said, it's just a wish. But it may actually be the only solution that would work without just nuking the place. It's hopeless over there. The region is too warped by religion.
 

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Anyone ever wish we could just transplant all the inhabitants fo the ME to another planet? There is no hope for peace over there. Even if the US totally stepped out they would just continue fighting each other and Israel. Even the factions within their own religion can't get long. This crap has been going on for thousands of years, long before the US ever got involved.

Well I'm glad we're all looking at real solutions to the issues here. :laugh:

Like I said, it's just a wish. But it may actually be the only solution that would work without just nuking the place. It's hopeless over there. The region is too warped by religion.

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?
 

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Originally posted by: K1052
Originally posted by: Raduque
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo


Originally posted by: sao123
while you're all worried about thie big cities... some beloved patriot sits in a closet preparing to nuke the open country in the central us.
Forget killing people... well nuke the grain basket and starve them all to death.

No grain, no corn, no cows.
yea... worldwide screwedness.


think u overestimate the size of a nuke blast.

It's not the blast, it's the fallout. Radiation poisoning accomplishes the same thing that salting the earth did back in Roman times, only it last a hell of a lot longer.

With normal nuclear weapons, not as long as you might think. The Japanese have rebuilt over their bomb sites and the earlier weapons were much more inefficent (dirtier) than what we have today.

yea the bbc had a documentary recently called nuclear nightmares about the actual risk of chernobyl vs the fear mongering that went on after and the bad ideas/pseudo science that it was based on.
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
WW3 War games:

US attacks Iran
Iran attacks Israel
Israel attacks Iran and Syria
Syria and other middle east axis attacks Israel
US attacks whoever attacks Israel

Pakistan president overthrown
Pakistan attacks India
India attacks Pakistan
US allies with India
Islamic nations ally with Pakistan

Afghanistan is nuked

North Korea attacks South Korea
Japan and US attacks North Korea

China attacks Taiwan
If US attacks China, world ends
If US abstains, one China

You missed the first event - "France surrenders"
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Anyone ever wish we could just transplant all the inhabitants fo the ME to another planet? There is no hope for peace over there. Even if the US totally stepped out they would just continue fighting each other and Israel. Even the factions within their own religion can't get long. This crap has been going on for thousands of years, long before the US ever got involved.

Well I'm glad we're all looking at real solutions to the issues here. :laugh:

Like I said, it's just a wish. But it may actually be the only solution that would work without just nuking the place. It's hopeless over there. The region is too warped by religion.

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?


http://www.conceptwizard.com/conen/conflict_2.html
 

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Anyone ever wish we could just transplant all the inhabitants fo the ME to another planet? There is no hope for peace over there. Even if the US totally stepped out they would just continue fighting each other and Israel. Even the factions within their own religion can't get long. This crap has been going on for thousands of years, long before the US ever got involved.

Well I'm glad we're all looking at real solutions to the issues here. :laugh:

Like I said, it's just a wish. But it may actually be the only solution that would work without just nuking the place. It's hopeless over there. The region is too warped by religion.

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?


http://www.conceptwizard.com/conen/conflict_2.html

israeli propaganda...
 

BoomerD

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Wall, she-ooot hoss, let's jest light them thar nuk-leer candles, and turn that there middle-east (is-reel included) into a permanently lit glass parking lot, with nuthin stickin up but Amurikan owned oil wells...Shucks, we invented the teknologee, we ourta own all of it anyhoo...
 

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Originally posted by: jpeyton

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?

Are you kidding? What about the Sunnis and Shiits?
 

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?

Are you kidding? What about the Sunnis and Shiits?

What about them? I don't hear a lot about Sunni/Shiite strife in any nation but Iraq, where we conveniently removed all authority and turned their country into a warzone. Surprise, surprise, when you remove all authority, civil conflict breaks loose. Whose fault is that?

Furthermore, why is their civil conflict any skin off our backs? Let them duke it out while we spend our billions on education, securing our borders, social security, health care, etc.
 

yhelothar

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It would really be bush deploying the nuke so he has an justification to nuke the hell out of the middle east.
;)
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?

Are you kidding? What about the Sunnis and Shiits?

What about them? I don't hear a lot about Sunni/Shiite strife in any nation but Iraq, where we conveniently removed all authority and turned their country into a warzone. Surprise, surprise, when you remove all authority, civil conflict breaks loose. Whose fault is that?

Furthermore, why is their civil conflict any skin off our backs? Let them duke it out while we spend our billions on education, securing our borders, social security, health care, etc.

Sorry, but you are simply naive if you don't think that religion has warped the region or that the fighting would coninue even if the US stepped out totally. Those are the only points I was attempting to make.
 

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The posts her are quite hilarious. All I see is a bunch of kids running a round being stupid.

if a nuke was detonated in the US I think that the majority of the knuckle draggering Bible thumpers would try to remove the term limit and vote their God given monarch into power again. I also think that, with Bush yet again in power, we'd end up over-reacting by pummeling Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, and demanding Indonesia clean up their act, then we'd invade Venezuela and Cuba because they are now part of the Axis of Evil.

There'd be no world war, as the world would be so horrified that they might be next that most would get in line or shut up.
 

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Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Thraxen
Originally posted by: jpeyton

What exactly is warped? The only openly feuding parties are Israel and Palestine, with Lebanon and Syria getting dangerously close to it. How much square mileage do those countries occupy in the ME?

Are you kidding? What about the Sunnis and Shiits?

What about them? I don't hear a lot about Sunni/Shiite strife in any nation but Iraq, where we conveniently removed all authority and turned their country into a warzone. Surprise, surprise, when you remove all authority, civil conflict breaks loose. Whose fault is that?

Furthermore, why is their civil conflict any skin off our backs? Let them duke it out while we spend our billions on education, securing our borders, social security, health care, etc.

Sorry, but you are simply naive if you don't think that religion has warped the region or that the fighting would coninue even if the US stepped out totally. Those are the only points I was attempting to make.

Conflict. Check.

Fighting. Check.

Whatever keeps our military in the region, right? ;)
 

Thraxen

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Originally posted by: jpeyton


Conflict. Check.

Fighting. Check.

Whatever keeps our military in the region, right? ;)

Personally, I don't think we should be involved over there. But I'm not naive enough to think that the US not being involved would make any difference on the quality of life over there. They would still keep attacking Israel, Muslim sects would still clash, they would still view the west as an abomination, and despots like Saddam would still take control.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: MetronMuslims have a 20 year plan to spread Islam across the globe... they don't mind at all if OBL helps that process along the way. Hitler had similar plans of world domination...

And Christians have plans to spread christianity around the world, in less than 20 years God willing, and don't mind if its aided by a massive hurricane or a continental tsunami. But great point...do you get your talking points from GW speeches?

I don't see Jerry Falwell telling his evangelists to murder someone if he refuses to convert to Christianity :confused:

meanwhile Islamic Imams are declaring convert or be killed...

I guess you didn't see CBN when Pat Robertson said we should assassinate Hugo Chavez for being to liberal...damn the demon in Chavez for looking after the poor!

And you're generalizing Islam with radical Islamic preachers. I suppose if you watch only CNN all day that's all you'll see. The same impression could gathered with Robertson's remarks, because we know he isn't alone in his thoughts.

i suppose you would have been against the assassination of Hitler if the Pope back then advocated it? Killing 1 really bad man =/= mass murder

lol chavez looking out for the poor? socialism keeps the poor down and allows the people in power to keep it.

you think CNN portrays Islamic preachers as radical? you think "radical" Islamic preachers are one in a million? have you even read the Koran? you are a blind liberal. you open your arms and embrace these terrorists next thing you know you'll be burning in hell while they are enjoying anal rapage by 72 virgin demons.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
The posts her are quite hilarious. All I see is a bunch of kids running a round being stupid.

if a nuke was detonated in the US I think that the majority of the knuckle draggering Bible thumpers would try to remove the term limit and vote their God given monarch into power again. I also think that, with Bush yet again in power, we'd end up over-reacting by pummeling Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, and demanding Indonesia clean up their act, then we'd invade Venezuela and Cuba because they are now part of the Axis of Evil.

There'd be no world war, as the world would be so horrified that they might be next that most would get in line or shut up.

404 overreaction not found
 

yhelothar

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: jjsole
Originally posted by: MetronMuslims have a 20 year plan to spread Islam across the globe... they don't mind at all if OBL helps that process along the way. Hitler had similar plans of world domination...

And Christians have plans to spread christianity around the world, in less than 20 years God willing, and don't mind if its aided by a massive hurricane or a continental tsunami. But great point...do you get your talking points from GW speeches?

I don't see Jerry Falwell telling his evangelists to murder someone if he refuses to convert to Christianity :confused:

meanwhile Islamic Imams are declaring convert or be killed...

You seem to turn a blind eye to the fact that christians has killed millions in the past for not converting.
 

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Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
State-sanctioned mass executions of Muslims. :\

Maybe in the state of Texas. Or West Virginia. Or Montana (they probably have maybe 3 Muslims total anyways).