uuuummmm....no. I have never met a waiter/ waitress that didn't make more (usually a lot more) than minmum wage after tips. He is denying them nothing as the employer has to make up the difference.
Although I disagree with Nik and feel he should tip it his right not to.
It's illegal to pay anyone less than minimum wage, guys. However, many states allow employers in the food industry to put more money into their greedy little bastard hands (and probably some kickback into their pockets for continuing to allow it) by creating two different minimum wages -one for the food industry and one for the non-food industry. With a HUGE difference between them. As long as the state and/or federal government allow this to continue, greedy fvcking scumbag employers will continue to refuse to pay a respectable wage while moronic dumbass douche bags continue to accept those jobs willingly but then bitch about it later and expect their customer to make up for their and their employer's choices.
My point, through this entire ordeal, is that they ***ARE*** (bold and stars for all the folks who can't seem to get it through their thick skulls) getting compensated for their services. They're agreeing to work for a couple of bucks per hour.
Don't like it? Get a new job. Don't like it and refuse to get a new job? Tough sh|t. Don't come whining to me when you can't pay rent because it's your own damn fault.
Either way you are going to pay for it.
Anyway I wouldn't call the job takers moronic. Because of the tipping system most make out like bandits compared to what they would be making elsewhere with their skill set. I know I did.
I b!tched about non tippers but if you gave me anything I was happy and averaged well over $100 a night. I know tons of service industry worker/ tipped employees and except for a few that just sucked I can't think of any that didn't average $50+ and that was the low end Huddle House type joints. Add 2.13 an hour and you have ~8/ hour. Not bad for someone with no skill set.
Yeah I meant to add that they are guaranteed nothing more than minimum wage. They take the risk and hope for more.
Wrong. One way, I'm going to pay for it because it's required. I will also receive good service because the incentive to do well will be the threat of getting fired, not the threat of not getting a tip.
The other way is a voluntary way that I will *REFUSE* to pay if the service person is doing a sh|tty job unless they get a tip. That's fantastically enraging.
I much prefer to pay a slightly higher price on a bill at a restaurant where the employer pays the full, non-food-industry minimum wage than to sit at some whiny ass's table while he gives me the finger for not tipping him the last time I was in --not tipping him because he was giving me the same sh|tty service. :roll:
AGAIN, you're already getting a paycheck, which is compensation for your services. If you need more compensation for your serivces, turn to your employer for assistance before looking for another job. Leave your goddamn customers alone.
If you choose to stay and you want more in tips, WORK HARDER.
Yeah. The sad thing is that they *demand* it just like so many have in this thread as if they automatically deserve a tip for simply being in the food industry.
Evidence? Every waiter I've spoken to makes $10+ an hour after tips on the average. Not good money, but close to double minimum wage.
Not likely. Went to Olive Garden today, most (60%+) were chicks from the ages of 16-25.
This is what pisses me off. Waiters should NOT be raking in $100 a night for a no skill no education job.
An average waiter/bartender deserves more than $8 an hour IMO, 10 if you are exceptional.
The big chains have always compensated their drivers for their cars (.50 - 1.25, some more or less depending on area). A 'delivery fee' is a fee imposed by the pizza joint to add to their bottom line, period. It's no different than a 'quicky oil change' place adding an 'environmental fee' on top of the price on the sign. That oil change place didn't dump used oil down the sewer before they charged extra; they simply found an acceptable phrase to use to charge their customers more money.
The next question will be: My local pizza joint has a $2.50 (eleventy billion...) delivery charge. Why should I tip if the driver already gets $x.xx? Did you ask your driver if he receives the entire eleventy billion? If you're driver looks too stoned/stupid to answer, just ask a manager or go in and act like you're applying and get the driver info you're looking for. Howie's charges $2.50 for delivery in my area yet the driver receives a buck; the company pockets the rest. I work for a franchise Hut and we have a $1 charge which actually matches the reimbursement.
Tipthepizzaguy.com <---- the forums are OK to read; his info is so-so.
Nik, you are really are an ass. People like you who come into the restaurant expecting free service are all the same, ungrateful and deserve to have to work a few shifts making $2.15 an hour and not getting any tips.
I always give a smile and friendly service and still get more than my fair share of stiffs. If you want to go out to eat, you should expect to pay the 15% tip (assuming you get good service), otherwise just stay home, there are lots of other nice people who have no problem paying a small tip to help get me and alot of other people at the place I work through college.
I always give a smile and friendly service and still get more than my fair share of stiffs. If you want to go out to eat, you should expect to pay the 15% tip (assuming you get good service), otherwise just stay home, there are lots of other nice people who have no problem paying a small tip to help get me and alot of other people at the place I work through college.
Read the thread. Service isn't free. That's part of why the food is already 10,000% more expensive than at the grociery store across the parkinglot. :roll:
Like I said, read the goddamn thread. This has nothing to do with whether the customer can afford to pay the bill or not.
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I tip. UNLESS the service sucks. IF they put the tip on the bill and i do not have a group i strick it out and do not pay it.
I pay 10% for good service. Great service gets up to 15% and bad service gets less. if they really suck i give a penny.
a tip is for GOOD service. if you suck no tip for you.
Its not my problem you got a job that pays $2.50 an hour. want more money? get a 2nd job or get an education and get a better job. Don't want to do that? fine get what i give you.
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Above is the entire post as originally stated. It figures you would edit someones post to agree with you. He clearly states ...He is a tipper ...LOL!
You are a complete asstard. (Not laughing)
I could hope some day to serve you with the knowledge that I am doing so. I'd be happy to show you what you don't get if you aren't going to pay for it.(I no longer wait tables,but I'd make an exception )
The waiter/delivery person is considered a contractor in a sense, if not in actuality. What if the companies you deal with decided to only pay your suppliers since they are the ones making the product?
BTW...
I'd love to see you "serve" customers just one night in a decent restaraunt. You might change your mind about the lazy part(probably not considering your attitude) , or the mental fortitude it takes to provide good service in a reputable establishment. It really isn't an easy job.
I see over and over again that everyone assumes that Nik doesn't tip, ever. From reading the thread I hear him saying that he does not tip for crappy service. I agree with that 100% if you go to a restaurant, yes you should plan on tipping, but if you have horrible service, then no they should not get anything. I appreciate the fact that the waiters/waitresses earn the majority of their living from tips, but that doesn't mean that they should be able to treat their customers poorly and still expect more money. The whole idea of tipping is to be based on the performance of the waitstaff. If you do a lousy job, I will not leave a tip. If you do an average job then your tip will reflect that. On the occasions where I get exceptional service I reward that with a very generous tip. Your tip should reflect the quality of the service received and not be expected for doing a poor job.
I actually like the tipping standard we have, because it gives the customer a chance to rate the service and tip accordingly. I believe the majority of waiters/waitresses that make a lot of money do so because they realize that they are making a living through tips and work harder to make sure they receive them. I believe if restaurants automatically paid their workers minimum wage that quality of service would go way down. Most people would not go out of their way to do a good job if they knew that regardless of how they performed that they would receive the same amount of money.
I worked as a waitress briefly in college, I was told by management that if at the end of the night my tips with my hourly pay did not give me at least minimum wage that the employer would have to make up the difference. I did not work there very long, because this place had pooled tips all the waitresses were expected to put their tips into a jar and at the end of the night it got divided. I only stayed there for a couple of weeks until I could find another job. I got so tired of busting my a$$ every night and then still only making the same amount as all the waitresses that gave horrible service.
I actually like the tipping standard we have, because it gives the customer a chance to rate the service and tip accordingly. I believe the majority of waiters/waitresses that make a lot of money do so because they realize that they are making a living through tips and work harder to make sure they receive them. I believe if restaurants automatically paid their workers minimum wage that quality of service would go way down. Most people would not go out of their way to do a good job if they knew that regardless of how they performed that they would receive the same amount of money.
I worked as a waitress briefly in college, I was told by management that if at the end of the night my tips with my hourly pay did not give me at least minimum wage that the employer would have to make up the difference. I did not work there very long, because this place had pooled tips all the waitresses were expected to put their tips into a jar and at the end of the night it got divided. I only stayed there for a couple of weeks until I could find another job. I got so tired of busting my a$$ every night and then still only making the same amount as all the waitresses that gave horrible service.
I made that as a bartender and I can assure you being a good one is a skill as is being a good waiter. I actally made a bit more than that. it was not uncommon to make $600 between friday and saturday night. Don't let that fool you though I was one of the exceptions to the rule. Most make around the figures that you posted.
If I wouldn't have gotten married I would still be doing it.
I didn't bother reading all the posts, just the first 2 pages, so maybe its already been stated, but Nik, you seem to be a either a)white trash or b)ungratefull,ignorant, cynical hater
Your the same type that complain about these people who work crap jobs, but hell, if they went on welfare, youd be right there complaining that they are on welfare. If you don't want to tip, fine, take your food home, or at least have the curtesy to say in advance your not tipping, so they don't work there buts off for someone as ungratefull as you, when they can be trying to please someone whose going to treat them as more than just a servant/slave. Open your eyes and notice these people are making a living too, and inetad of sitting back and collecting your tax dollars on welfare, there slaving for crap pay instead of taking the easy way out and getting hand outs.
Your the same type that complain about these people who work crap jobs, but hell, if they went on welfare, youd be right there complaining that they are on welfare. If you don't want to tip, fine, take your food home, or at least have the curtesy to say in advance your not tipping, so they don't work there buts off for someone as ungratefull as you, when they can be trying to please someone whose going to treat them as more than just a servant/slave. Open your eyes and notice these people are making a living too, and inetad of sitting back and collecting your tax dollars on welfare, there slaving for crap pay instead of taking the easy way out and getting hand outs.
The term "restaurant" is used as a collective reference to a group of people who work at a specific location together. Used improperly? Yes. Intuitive nonetheless? Yes.
Nik has his points although I don't agree with them but like you said you didn't read the thread.
Also how do you know they are not on welfare cause I can think of a few who still get it claiming correct tips and a few more who fudge a little to get the stamps.?
Another also. There aren't really that many servers that do anything more than what they have to do and they deserve a small tip if any at all. I say this as a person who worked nights in the service industry for 8 years. I get extremely pissed at most watresses and waiters and the attitude they have toward there job.
Well stated(except for the "assumes" part).Nik has made it clear he doesn't believe he should tip anyone for anything.
Making service a standard wage position would marginilize it so that no one had the incentive to do more than show up and go through the motions.
I too hate pooled tips. I have been there in a couple of situations. One was a private club at which it was acceptable due to the nature of the program , but in all other situations it was very unionesque. I busted my ass and kept customers coming back and requesting me , while others barely went through the motions and still made the same amount.
That(apethetic attendance of marginal servers) is exactly what everyone would get if we went to a standard charge on the bill instead of the "tip" system we have now. This wihtout considering that most resteraunts would add outrageuos fees for service to the cost and pass the minimal amount required to the server, thereby insuring $hitty service for everyone.
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