What do you think of restaurants who demand a tip?

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70
I didn't bother reading all the posts, just the first 2 pages, so maybe its already been stated, but Nik, you seem to be a either a)white trash or b)ungratefull,ignorant, cynical hater

Your the same type that complain about these people who work crap jobs, but hell, if they went on welfare, youd be right there complaining that they are on welfare. If you don't want to tip, fine, take your food home, or at least have the curtesy to say in advance your not tipping, so they don't work there buts off for someone as ungratefull as you, when they can be trying to please someone whose going to treat them as more than just a servant/slave. Open your eyes and notice these people are making a living too, and inetad of sitting back and collecting your tax dollars on welfare, there slavinjg for crap pay to have a little bit more self respect.

Nik has his points although I don't agree with them but like you said you didn't read the thread.


Also how do you know they are not on welfare cause I can think of a few who still get it claiming correct tips and a few more who fudge a little to get the stamps.?

Another also. There aren't really that many servers that do anything more than what they have to do and they deserve a small tip if any at all. I say this as a person who worked nights in the service industry for 8 years. I get extremely pissed at most watresses and waiters and the attitude they have toward there job.

Do you see them at home? sitting there, doing nothing as they collect the check every month? No, there actually out, working, mostly for ungratefull people who treat them like crap. And with people like Nik in this world, I'm sure some of them do need the food stamps to get by.

 

[Legendary]

I know of a few restaurants in NYC (all in a certain section of the Village) where the waitstaff actively share information regarding customers who regularly do not tip. You would think it would be impossible, especially in a city with so many people, but it is actually kept monitored.
You are all well within your rights not to tip, but caveat emptor applies.

Edit: I know a lot of waiters, and I can safely say that most of us, at least in a metro area, have, at one time, ingested someone's saliva unknowingly. Not that I condone this practice, but it is done (and more especially to cheap tippers)

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel
...Nik has made it clear he doesn't believe he should tip anyone for anything.

You are so full of sh|t. Since you did not give me the respect of reading my posts, I'm not going to read beyond this garbage. Read the goddamn thread, asswipe.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: sonz70
And with people like Nik in this world, I'm sure some of them do need the food stamps to get by.

Boohoohoo. I have my own fiscal problems. I don't need someone else shirking their fiscal responsibility off on me, as it is.

 

[sonz70]

No, but you would complain if they were collecting welfare aswell. It seems you have a complete disrecpect for anyone who works at a low paying job, this is shown by your ignorant statements of "they can get another, or 2 or 3 or 4 jobs" comments. You fail to realise that these low paying jobs are needed, and the people who work them don't need to be made to feel like crap or worthless when they are actually making an effort.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: sonz70

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70
I didn't bother reading all the posts, just the first 2 pages, so maybe its already been stated, but Nik, you seem to be a either a)white trash or b)ungratefull,ignorant, cynical hater

Your the same type that complain about these people who work crap jobs, but hell, if they went on welfare, youd be right there complaining that they are on welfare. If you don't want to tip, fine, take your food home, or at least have the curtesy to say in advance your not tipping, so they don't work there buts off for someone as ungratefull as you, when they can be trying to please someone whose going to treat them as more than just a servant/slave. Open your eyes and notice these people are making a living too, and inetad of sitting back and collecting your tax dollars on welfare, there slavinjg for crap pay to have a little bit more self respect.

Nik has his points although I don't agree with them but like you said you didn't read the thread.


Also how do you know they are not on welfare cause I can think of a few who still get it claiming correct tips and a few more who fudge a little to get the stamps.?

Another also. There aren't really that many servers that do anything more than what they have to do and they deserve a small tip if any at all. I say this as a person who worked nights in the service industry for 8 years. I get extremely pissed at most watresses and waiters and the attitude they have toward there job.

Do you see them at home? sitting there, doing nothing as they collect the check every month? No, there actually out, working, mostly for ungratefull people who treat them like crap. And with people like Nik in this world, I'm sure some of them do need the food stamps to get by.

Then you have to ask why they are in that position to begin with.

I won't go into the debate that they should have chose a different path. There is money to be made in the service industry. Why aren't they making it? It isn't because Nik isn't tipping them.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: sonz70
No, but you would complain if they were collecting welfare aswell. It seems you have a complete disrecpect for anyone who works at a low paying job, this is shown by your ignorant statements of "they can get another, or 2 or 3 or 4 jobs" comments. You fail to realise that these low paying jobs are needed, and the people who work them don't need to be made to feel like crap or worthless when they are actually making an effort.

Anybody that has a low paying job chose to have it. I know because I chose that route for a while.

and yes if you aren't making ends meet you need another job not part of my paycheck. I worked two jobs for 10 years.

 

[AutumnRayne]

Originally posted by: g8wayrebel

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
I see over and over again that everyone assumes that Nik doesn't tip, ever. From reading the thread I hear him saying that he does not tip for crappy service. I agree with that 100% if you go to a restaurant, yes you should plan on tipping, but if you have horrible service, then no they should not get anything. I appreciate the fact that the waiters/waitresses earn the majority of their living from tips, but that doesn't mean that they should be able to treat their customers poorly and still expect more money. The whole idea of tipping is to be based on the performance of the waitstaff. If you do a lousy job, I will not leave a tip. If you do an average job then your tip will reflect that. On the occasions where I get exceptional service I reward that with a very generous tip. Your tip should reflect the quality of the service received and not be expected for doing a poor job.

I actually like the tipping standard we have, because it gives the customer a chance to rate the service and tip accordingly. I believe the majority of waiters/waitresses that make a lot of money do so because they realize that they are making a living through tips and work harder to make sure they receive them. I believe if restaurants automatically paid their workers minimum wage that quality of service would go way down. Most people would not go out of their way to do a good job if they knew that regardless of how they performed that they would receive the same amount of money.

I worked as a waitress briefly in college, I was told by management that if at the end of the night my tips with my hourly pay did not give me at least minimum wage that the employer would have to make up the difference. I did not work there very long, because this place had pooled tips all the waitresses were expected to put their tips into a jar and at the end of the night it got divided. I only stayed there for a couple of weeks until I could find another job. I got so tired of busting my a$$ every night and then still only making the same amount as all the waitresses that gave horrible service.

Well stated(except for the "assumes" part).Nik has made it clear he doesn't believe he should tip anyone for anything.
Making service a standard wage position would marginilize it so that no one had the incentive to do more than show up and go through the motions.
I too hate pooled tips. I have been there in a couple of situations. One was a private club at which it was acceptable due to the nature of the program , but in all other situations it was very unionesque. I busted my ass and kept customers coming back and requesting me , while others barely went through the motions and still made the same amount.
That(apethetic attendance of marginal servers) is exactly what everyone would get if we went to a standard charge on the bill instead of the "tip" system we have now.

While Nik may have said that he did not approve of being expected to tip, he did state previously that when he gets great service that he DOES tip. I believe he even said he tipped between 50- 100%.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70
I didn't bother reading all the posts, just the first 2 pages, so maybe its already been stated, but Nik, you seem to be a either a)white trash or b)ungratefull,ignorant, cynical hater

Your the same type that complain about these people who work crap jobs, but hell, if they went on welfare, youd be right there complaining that they are on welfare. If you don't want to tip, fine, take your food home, or at least have the curtesy to say in advance your not tipping, so they don't work there buts off for someone as ungratefull as you, when they can be trying to please someone whose going to treat them as more than just a servant/slave. Open your eyes and notice these people are making a living too, and inetad of sitting back and collecting your tax dollars on welfare, there slavinjg for crap pay to have a little bit more self respect.

Nik has his points although I don't agree with them but like you said you didn't read the thread.


Also how do you know they are not on welfare cause I can think of a few who still get it claiming correct tips and a few more who fudge a little to get the stamps.?

Another also. There aren't really that many servers that do anything more than what they have to do and they deserve a small tip if any at all. I say this as a person who worked nights in the service industry for 8 years. I get extremely pissed at most watresses and waiters and the attitude they have toward there job.

Do you see them at home? sitting there, doing nothing as they collect the check every month? No, there actually out, working, mostly for ungratefull people who treat them like crap. And with people like Nik in this world, I'm sure some of them do need the food stamps to get by.

Then you have to ask why they are in that position to begin with.

I won't go into the debate that they should have chose a different path. There is money to be made in the service industry. Why aren't they making it? It isn't because Nik isn't tipping them.

Make that another beer that I'll buy.

 

[sonz70]

I understand the different policies of establishments who low wage there employees with unfair labour laws. The low wages for service employs is a pile of BS imho, but when it is know that these people make there living off tips, and to purposely categorize all of these individuals as lazy, unmotivated, or "unlucky", and to want to stomp on them to make you feel better about your choice to not tip, thats pathetic imho. Yes, the laws are bs, but because the laws are bs, doesn't mean you should be a complete jerk and not tip, knowing this is how these people make there living, than go on to say, its there fault since there working a crappy job. You guys fail to see the point that they are actually working.

 

[sp80]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

You are by far the cheapest person I have ever heard!

If you are that greedy with your money, then stay home and cook yourself a$$hole. Show some respect to your fellow Americans and share the wealth you cheap skate.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
While Nik may have said that he did not approve of being expected to tip, he did state previously that when he gets great service that he DOES tip. I believe he even said he tipped between 50- 100%.

I'd buy you a beer too, but reading the thread is what I would call standard service and not above-and-beyond.

j/k

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: sonz70
I understand the different policies of establishments who low wage there employees with unfair labour laws. The low wages for service employs is a pile of BS imho, but when it is know that these people make there living off tips, and to purposely categorize all of these individuals as lazy, unmotivated, or "unlucky", and to want to stomp on them to make you feel better about your choice to not tip, thats pathetic imho. Yes, the laws are bs, but because the laws are bs, doesn't mean you should be a complete jerk and not tip, knowing this is how these people make there living, than go on to say, its there fault since there working a crappy job. You guys fail to see the point that they are actually working.

How is it unfair? What do you think your average waiter should make?

He didn't say he didn't tip.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: sp80

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: chrisms

Originally posted by: Nik
I do not ever tip anyone who demands it or expects it. Bitch, you get a goddamn paycheck. Need more money? GET A DIFFERENT JOB. :|

grr...

</rant>

Expects it? As a pizza delivery driver I expected it.. if people didn't tip you'd be paying a $3 delivery charge instead of $1 to pay for my gasoline and maintenence fees.

Like I said, you GET A PAYCHECK. If you want more money, GET ANOTHER ONE or GET A DIFFERENT ONE.

You don't deserve anything other than a paycheck. You're a fvcking ape if you think you deserve to receive any money other than what's on the ticket from me and what's on your paycheck from your employer. I earned my money goddamnit and just because you chose to take a job driving around in no way entitles me to pay you anything more than what's on the ticket. Fvck off.

You are by far the cheapest person I have ever heard!

If you are that greedy with your money, then stay home and cook yourself a$$hole. Show some respect to your fellow Americans and share the wealth you cheap skate.

Wouldn't that be Socialism?

The waiter/ waitress/bartender should make Nik want to tip them.

 

[brigden]

You people are embarrassingly cheap. Just tip the fvcking wait staff.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: sonz70
I understand the different policies of establishments who low wage there employees with unfair labour laws. The low wages for service employs is a pile of BS imho, but when it is know that these people make there living off tips, and to purposely categorize all of these individuals as lazy, unmotivated, or "unlucky", and to want to stomp on them to make you feel better about your choice to not tip, thats pathetic imho. Yes, the laws are bs, but because the laws are bs, doesn't mean you should be a complete jerk and not tip, knowing this is how these people make there living, than go on to say, its there fault since there working a crappy job. You guys fail to see the point that they are actually working.

I don't fail to see that point. In fact, I acknowledge that point by pointing out that they're getting a paycheck and an hourly wage, whether it's unfair or not.

I refuse to accept the burden of someone else's mistake when they decide that they can't live with their mistake but refuse to fix it by finding alternative income.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70
I understand the different policies of establishments who low wage there employees with unfair labour laws. The low wages for service employs is a pile of BS imho, but when it is know that these people make there living off tips, and to purposely categorize all of these individuals as lazy, unmotivated, or "unlucky", and to want to stomp on them to make you feel better about your choice to not tip, thats pathetic imho. Yes, the laws are bs, but because the laws are bs, doesn't mean you should be a complete jerk and not tip, knowing this is how these people make there living, than go on to say, its there fault since there working a crappy job. You guys fail to see the point that they are actually working.

How is it unfair? What do you think your average waiter should make?

He didn't say he didn't tip.

At least minimum wage + tips or if no tips, 9-11$/hour for the lower class establishments, and more for the higher class ones

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: brigden
You people are embarrassingly cheap. Just tip the fvcking wait staff.

If anything I am an over-tipper but I am not embarrased to leave nothing if you don't impress me weher that be at Denny's or an expensive place.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: brigden
You people are embarrassingly cheap. Just tip the fvcking wait staff.

If anything I am an over-tipper but I am not embarrased to leave nothing if you don't impress me weher that be at Denny's or an expensive place.

The one statement I'll agree with is if it is really really bad service, I will tip small, but either way, I will still tip

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70
I understand the different policies of establishments who low wage there employees with unfair labour laws. The low wages for service employs is a pile of BS imho, but when it is know that these people make there living off tips, and to purposely categorize all of these individuals as lazy, unmotivated, or "unlucky", and to want to stomp on them to make you feel better about your choice to not tip, thats pathetic imho. Yes, the laws are bs, but because the laws are bs, doesn't mean you should be a complete jerk and not tip, knowing this is how these people make there living, than go on to say, its there fault since there working a crappy job. You guys fail to see the point that they are actually working.

How is it unfair? What do you think your average waiter should make?

He didn't say he didn't tip.

Apparently I did, according to all the brainless monkeys in this thread who can't read.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: sonz70

Originally posted by: QuitBanningMe

Originally posted by: sonz70
I understand the different policies of establishments who low wage there employees with unfair labour laws. The low wages for service employs is a pile of BS imho, but when it is know that these people make there living off tips, and to purposely categorize all of these individuals as lazy, unmotivated, or "unlucky", and to want to stomp on them to make you feel better about your choice to not tip, thats pathetic imho. Yes, the laws are bs, but because the laws are bs, doesn't mean you should be a complete jerk and not tip, knowing this is how these people make there living, than go on to say, its there fault since there working a crappy job. You guys fail to see the point that they are actually working.

How is it unfair? What do you think your average waiter should make?

He didn't say he didn't tip.

At least minimum wage + tips or if no tips, 9-11$/hour for the lower class establishments, and more for the higher class ones

I personally think that is a little high for average. Having said that that is what most make.

 

[Slickone]

Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.

 

[sonz70]

Originally posted by: Slickone
Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.

This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.

 

[QuitBanningMe]

Originally posted by: Slickone
Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.

Exactly.....if I don't make you want to give me money I shouldn't get any.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
I see over and over again that everyone assumes that Nik doesn't tip, ever. From reading the thread I hear him saying that he does not tip for crappy service.......

Nik stated (supposedly) that he only tips when he receives *exceptional* service (whatever that means).

Are there lazy servers who do not deserve a tip?

Of course there are. This is not in dispute.

Nik's problem is the fact that a server *expects* a tip, irrespective of whether or not the tip is deserved. I find this to be an absurd reaction knowing that this is the accepted practice of compensating servers--and offers the incentive for servers to give good service even when dealing with jackasses such as Nik.

Nik's idiotic stubborness also reveals his ignorance in relation to the supposed profit margins of the resturanteur. As the former owner of a pizzeria, I can certainly attest to the fact that my food cost was only 25% of the price that I charged. Obviously I was greedy to charge 4X the cost of the food.......

.......except that doesn't factor in the labor of not just the service staff but the other employees.

.......or the rent of the building.

.......or the cost of insurance.

.......or the energy cost.

.......or the most significant of all the costs: the equipment to store, prepare, and cook the food.


At the end of the day I was lucky to bank 10%. I'd hardly call that greedy, but then again, I'd hardly call Nik a genius. Profit margins in the resturant business are extremely thin.....just like every other industry. I get that Nik don't get it, maybe someday Nik will too.....