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DainBramaged

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Just got home from working at the restaurant. With tips and my $3.90 an hour I made $21 per hour from 5:00 - 12:00. :D
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: sonz70
This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.

That's actually quite the kickass answer, actually.

Nobody should depend on tips for a living unless they're willing to accept the fact that they should provide their absolute best, whether they get a tip or not -and be willing to live with not getting tipped!

"I can't live without tips, and I don't get enough of them!"

boofvckinghoo.

Get a more steady job then.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Slickone
Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.


This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.

No. You have every right not to tip. If the person does not want to make you give them money then they get no money. You are in no way obligated.

 

sonz70

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: sonz70
This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.

That's actually quite the kickass answer, actually.

Nobody should depend on tips for a living unless they're willing to accept the fact that they should provide their absolute best, whether they get a tip or not -and be willing to live with not getting tipped!

"I can't live without tips, and I don't get enough of them!"

boofvckinghoo.

Get a more steady job then.

Your a fool, what if they can't get another job? or did you not factor this in with your ignorant line of though here.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Just got home from working at the restaurant. With tips and my $3.90 an hour I made $21 per hour from 5:00 - 12:00. :D

Nice. One of the good ones or just at a better resturaunt where people like to give money away.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: sonz70
This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.

That's actually quite the kickass answer, actually.

Nobody should depend on tips for a living unless they're willing to accept the fact that they should provide their absolute best, whether they get a tip or not -and be willing to live with not getting tipped!

"I can't live without tips, and I don't get enough of them!"

boofvckinghoo.

Get a more steady job then.

Your a fool, what if they can't get another job? or did you not factor this in with your ignorant line of though here.

Why can't they get another job? You said Nik would be complaining about them on welfair. At the point you seem to be discussing things they are on welfare. Just a different kind.

Again, Nik did not say he doesn't tip at all
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Corn
Nik's problem is the fact that a server *expects* a tip, irrespective of whether or not the tip is deserved. I find this to be an absurd reaction knowing that this is the accepted practice of compensating servers--and offers the incentive for servers to give good service even when dealing with jackasses such as Nik.

I find it insulting and extremely offensive when someone expects a tip. Don't like my opinion? Tough sh|t!

Nik's idiotic stubborness also reveals his ignorance in relation to the supposed profit margins of the resturanteur. As the former owner of a pizzeria, I can certainly attest to the fact that my food cost was only 25% of the price that I charged. Obviously I was greedy to charge 4X the cost of the food.......

Yes, because your restaurant was the perfect business model with the perfect balance of marketing, availability, and location. :roll: Get over yourself. Wolfgang Puck you are not.

.......except that doesn't factor in the labor of not just the service staff but the other employees.

.......or the rent of the building.

.......or the cost of insurance.

.......or the energy cost.

.......or the most significant of all the costs: the equipment to store, prepare, and cook the food.

Believe me, I know exactly what defines overhead.

At the end of the day I was lucky to bank 10%. I'd hardly call that greedy, but then again, I'd hardly call Nik a genius. Profit margins in the resturant business are extremely thin.....just like every other industry. I get that Nik don't get it, maybe someday Nik will too.....

Profit margins are thin in every industry? Wow. Just... wow.

You have no idea. At all.

Come work side-by-side with me for *one day* and I'll show you profit margins for competing companies here in the IT industry that will blow your mind.
 

sonz70

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Originally posted by: DainBramaged
Just got home from working at the restaurant. With tips and my $3.90 an hour I made $21 per hour from 5:00 - 12:00. :D


Nice, do you ever have any really bad nights? or are they mostly like this.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Your a fool, what if they can't get another job? or did you not factor this in with your ignorant line of though here.

I fail to see why their inability to support themselves justifies my being a THIEF for not tipping. Hahahaha, thief... that's still funny. :laugh:

Seriously. I don't fvcking care if the woman pouring my coffee has 12 kids, no husband, and lives in a trailor park. Sucks to be her. Her life choices aren't my responsibility and if she chooses to live a life that requires more than what she deserves (read: a PAYCHECK), then that's just what she's going to have to deal with or change.
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Slickone
Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.


This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.
This was the most uninformed post ever

So when I go to a restaurant, I'm supposed to know how much income a waiter makes, to know that I'm required to "tip" them in order for them to make a living?

The point is, why would you take a low paying job? No, those aren't the only jobs available.

 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Nik

Come work side-by-side with me for *one day* and I'll show you profit margins for competing companies here in the IT industry that will blow your mind.

LOL, yes, we all know how profitable the IT industry is..........

 

sonz70

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Originally posted by: Slickone
Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Slickone
Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.


This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.
This was the most uninformed post ever

So when I go to a restaurant, I'm supposed to know how much income a waiter makes, to know that I'm required to "tip" them in order for them to make a living?

The point is, why would you take a low paying job? No, those aren't the only jobs available.

You and Nik are just ignorant plain and simple, and have this nice lil veil over your eyes, keep living in your dream world where supposedly everyone should be making more than enough money to live and there is no such thing as poverty.

 
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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Nik is going to open up his next pizza to find a nice huge pile of sh!t.

Then I'm going to make a few phone calls and make a HUGE stink about it just out of principle.

But the loogie that looks like cheese you'll just eat and never even know.

 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Nik

Come work side-by-side with me for *one day* and I'll show you profit margins for competing companies here in the IT industry that will blow your mind.

LOL, yes, we all know how profitable the IT industry is..........

Some parts of it are better than others, but some of my direct competitors make serious bank on their higher priced items. :Q
 

deftron

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: deftron
Nik is pathetic ...
He uses a watiers service without paying for it, which is basically theft.

LAUGH. MY. FVCKING. ASS. OFF.

THEFT!!

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'M A THIEF IF I DON'T TIP !!!!

WRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



Originally posted by: deftron

You are as bad as a welfare scammer ... you use the common knowledge that society
will tip for service to get yourself free service. If the waitress knew beforehand you
are not going to tip, you would be virtually guaranteed to not get the level of
service that you do.
 

AutumnRayne

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A perfect example of what behavior contitutes a tip, in my opinion. A few weeks ago a friend and I went to Outback for dinner. Business was average, not booming but not dead either. Our waitress comes out takes our drink order, gives us menus and walks away. 15 minutes later she had not returned. Another waitress came by and saw us sitting there with half full drinks, still with menus, and asked if there was a problem, we told her we had not seen our waitress in 15 minutes. She refills our drinks and tells us that she is going to find our waitress. 5 minutes later our waitress shows up, no apologies for the delay, no explanation, nothing. Takes our order and again for another 15- 20 minutes we do not see her. This other waitress could see that we were once again almost out of drink and comes and refills for us. Another 10 minutes later she comes by and realizes that we still do not have our food. She goes into the kitchen and our food was ready so she brings it to us, even smiles and asks if she can help us with anything else. By the time we finished eating, our waitress had come by only once to bring our check. No apology for the delay, no apology for not coming to check on us, nothing. Needless to say when we left our waitress received nothing. The other waitress I walked up to and gave $25. In my opinion she deserved a tip, we were not her table or her responsibility, but she understands the nature of customer service and was rewarded.

A tip should reflect the quality of service received. Our waitress did nothing for us and she received nothing.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: sonz70
You and Nik are just ignorant plain and simple, and have this nice lil veil over your eyes, keep living in your dream world where supposedly everyone should be making more than enough money to live and there is no such thing as poverty.

I live in a world where it's my responsibility to manage my own life and nobody else's. Nobody ever said that everyone should be making more than enough money to live. You're the ignorant bastard here because you're twisting things that we say, putting words in our mouths, and flat out LYING about things we never said or spoke to the contrary.

It's not my problem if the waiter took a low paying job. His job is to provide the best customer service possible. If he does his job very well, he'll get a generous tip from me. If he's just barely doing the minimum required to get me sat, finished, and out the door, he's not getting a tip either. That's what he gets a paycheck for. If he doesn't do his job, there's no way in hell I'm leaving a tip for him and he needs to be re-trained or fired.

Plain and simple, to me!
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Slickone
Originally posted by: sonz70
Originally posted by: Slickone
Why not tip your garbage man? Your cable guy? Your car mechanic? Why waiters?
Lower tips -> waiters quit -> restaurants pay waiters more to keep them.


Seems the GP has forgotten the meaning of tip.
From Merriam-Webster:
Tip: to give a gratuity to

Gratuity: something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service

So, if it's required or expected, it's not a 'tip' or 'gratuity'. Simple as that.


This was the most uninformed post ever

Garbage man >>> dont depend on tips for livelihood
mechanic >>>>>> ^^^^^^
cable guy >>>>>> ^^^^^^

the point is, waiter/waitress is a low paying job, that is subsidized by tipping, if your not going to tip, take your food and go home.
This was the most uninformed post ever

So when I go to a restaurant, I'm supposed to know how much income a waiter makes, to know that I'm required to "tip" them in order for them to make a living?

The point is, why would you take a low paying job? No, those aren't the only jobs available.

You and Nik are just ignorant plain and simple, and have this nice lil veil over your eyes, keep living in your dream world where supposedly everyone should be making more than enough money to live and there is no such thing as poverty.
Tell me, professor, why doesn't the employer pay them what their service is worth?

And to quote Nik:
If the service costs more than what I value it to be if prices are raised, I simply will take my business elsewhere.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: deftron
You are as bad as a welfare scammer ... you use the common knowledge that society
will tip for service to get yourself free service. If the waitress knew beforehand you
are not going to tip, you would be virtually guaranteed to not get the level of
service that you do.

:roll:

I'd love to see you call the cops and tell them that you've just been robbed. When they ask what was stolen and you tell them "MY TIP!!" I want to be in that emergency call center to hear the roaring laughter.

I'm not stealing from anybody. If anyone's stealing from anyone else, it's the employer stealing from the employee with unfair wage & labor practices.

Then again, with as many times as I've described this in this thread, I don't expect your simple mind to grasp this concept.
 

QuitBanningMe

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: sonz70
You and Nik are just ignorant plain and simple, and have this nice lil veil over your eyes, keep living in your dream world where supposedly everyone should be making more than enough money to live and there is no such thing as poverty.

I live in a world where it's my responsibility to manage my own life and nobody else's. Nobody ever said that everyone should be making more than enough money to live. You're the ignorant bastard here because you're twisting things that we say, putting words in our mouths, and flat out LYING about things we never said or spoke to the contrary.

It's not my problem if the waiter took a low paying job. His job is to provide the best customer service possible. If he does his job very well, he'll get a generous tip from me. If he's just barely doing the minimum required to get me sat, finished, and out the door, he's not getting a tip either. That's what he gets a paycheck for. If he doesn't do his job, there's no way in hell I'm leaving a tip for him and he needs to be re-trained or fired.

Plain and simple, to me!

and this is the way it should be.
 

Slickone

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Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
A perfect example of what behavior contitutes a tip, in my opinion. A few weeks ago a friend and I went to Outback for dinner. Business was average, not booming but not dead either. Our waitress comes out takes our drink order, gives us menus and walks away. 15 minutes later she had not returned. Another waitress came by and saw us sitting there with half full drinks, still with menus, and asked if there was a problem, we told her we had not seen our waitress in 15 minutes. She refills our drinks and tells us that she is going to find our waitress. 5 minutes later our waitress shows up, no apologies for the delay, no explanation, nothing. Takes our order and again for another 15- 20 minutes we do not see her. This other waitress could see that we were once again almost out of drink and comes and refills for us. Another 10 minutes later she comes by and realizes that we still do not have our food. She goes into the kitchen and our food was ready so she brings it to us, even smiles and asks if she can help us with anything else. By the time we finished eating, our waitress had come by only once to bring our check. No apology for the delay, no apology for not coming to check on us, nothing. Needless to say when we left our waitress received nothing. The other waitress I walked up to and gave $25. In my opinion she deserved a tip, we were not her table or her responsibility, but she understands the nature of customer service and was rewarded.

A tip should reflect the quality of service received. Our waitress did nothing for us and she received nothing.
I have had that happen and done the exact same thing.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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Originally posted by: AutumnRayne
A perfect example of what behavior contitutes a tip, in my opinion. A few weeks ago a friend and I went to Outback for dinner. Business was average, not booming but not dead either. Our waitress comes out takes our drink order, gives us menus and walks away. 15 minutes later she had not returned. Another waitress came by and saw us sitting there with half full drinks, still with menus, and asked if there was a problem, we told her we had not seen our waitress in 15 minutes. She refills our drinks and tells us that she is going to find our waitress. 5 minutes later our waitress shows up, no apologies for the delay, no explanation, nothing. Takes our order and again for another 15- 20 minutes we do not see her. This other waitress could see that we were once again almost out of drink and comes and refills for us. Another 10 minutes later she comes by and realizes that we still do not have our food. She goes into the kitchen and our food was ready so she brings it to us, even smiles and asks if she can help us with anything else. By the time we finished eating, our waitress had come by only once to bring our check. No apology for the delay, no apology for not coming to check on us, nothing. Needless to say when we left our waitress received nothing. The other waitress I walked up to and gave $25. In my opinion she deserved a tip, we were not her table or her responsibility, but she understands the nature of customer service and was rewarded.

A tip should reflect the quality of service received. Our waitress did nothing for us and she received nothing.

:thumbsup:
 

voogru

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I once had a resturant add an automatic 35% tip.

I put a negative sign next to the "tip" total, and gave myself a 35% discount and walked out.

The bill was $40, they wanted $14 (35%) tip, I put $26 on the table and left.

Last time I went there they didnt do automatic tip (a month later).

Oh and by the way, the service was piss poor, it took fifteen minutes for a refill (I had to go to the cashier and demand a refill), and the place was not very busy.
 

Corn

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Corn
Originally posted by: Nik

Come work side-by-side with me for *one day* and I'll show you profit margins for competing companies here in the IT industry that will blow your mind.

LOL, yes, we all know how profitable the IT industry is..........

Some parts of it are better than others, but some of my direct competitors make serious bank on their higher priced items. :Q

Oh yeah, I made huge bank on my salads compared to my pizza.........but then again I'm sure this salient point will hide itself from your understanding. But yes, yes, I'm sure we can all find an example or two of a company making huge profit margins.......