what do people think about candace owens george floyd video?

[brycejones]

What the fuck. There is no victim blaming going on here. You are too out of touch to understand what I am saying or just being willfully ignorant.

WTF indeed your entire first paragraph is a truly lame attempt at victim blaming. Its completely immaterial.

You really need to stop being so dishonest.

 

[HumblePie]

WTF indeed your entire first paragraph is a truly lame attempt at victim blaming. Its completely immaterial.

You really need to stop being so dishonest.

No it isn't. I wasn't talking about the actions of the cops in relation to George. I am talking about the actions of people like you in relation to George. Which is what Candice is talking about. Which is the whole OP of this thread. Or did you forget that? Candice's point is people are idolizing the scumbag George here just because he possibly got killed by a cop.

As far as George part, we aren't 100% sure the actions of the cop actually killed him. Again, both autopsies report he died of a heart attack. Of which one stated complications with the drugs in his system. If George would have died at that moment regardless of what the officers were doing, it isn't murder. It doesn't absolve the officers of their deplorable actions, but it doesn't make them murders here nor does anything in this situation make George a saint. He was a despicable human being. Calling a spade a spade isn't victim blaming. You don't understand what victim blaming means. That is saying a girl should be raped because of how she is dressed. That is victim blaming. I am not saying George should have been killed because he had a disgusting past. Learn the difference.

 

[brycejones]

No it isn't. I wasn't talking about the actions of the cops in relation to George. I am talking about the actions of people like you in relation to George. Which is what Candice is talking about. Which is the whole OP of this thread. Or did you forget that? Candice's point is people are idolizing the scumbag George here just because he possibly got killed by a cop.

As far as George part, we aren't 100% sure the actions of the cop actually killed him. Again, both autopsies report he died of a heart attack. Of which one stated complications with the drugs in his system. If George would have died at that moment regardless of what the officers were doing, it isn't murder. It doesn't absolve the officers of their deplorable actions, but it doesn't make them murders here nor does anything in this situation make George a saint. He was a despicable human being. Calling a spade a spade isn't victim blaming. You don't understand what victim blaming means. That is saying a girl should be raped because of how she is dressed. That is victim blaming. I am not saying George should have been killed because he had a disgusting past. Learn the difference.

Oh Lordy, candices point is as fucking stupid as yours. No one is lionizing the guy. What people are pissed about is that he was straight up murdered on a public street by police. Bringing up his past like this is an attempt to minimize that fact by basically saying this case doesn’t deserve this much attention because look this guy wasn’t the correct victim. It’s the same as minimizing the rape of a prostitute because she was a prostitute.

 

[dank69]

Hold on let me get some info from Youtube.

 

[sandorski]

No it isn't. I wasn't talking about the actions of the cops in relation to George. I am talking about the actions of people like you in relation to George. Which is what Candice is talking about. Which is the whole OP of this thread. Or did you forget that? Candice's point is people are idolizing the scumbag George here just because he possibly got killed by a cop.

As far as George part, we aren't 100% sure the actions of the cop actually killed him. Again, both autopsies report he died of a heart attack. Of which one stated complications with the drugs in his system. If George would have died at that moment regardless of what the officers were doing, it isn't murder. It doesn't absolve the officers of their deplorable actions, but it doesn't make them murders here nor does anything in this situation make George a saint. He was a despicable human being. Calling a spade a spade isn't victim blaming. You don't understand what victim blaming means. That is saying a girl should be raped because of how she is dressed. That is victim blaming. I am not saying George should have been killed because he had a disgusting past. Learn the difference.

We watched a Murder. People are protesting that Murder. None of your points matter.

 

[ivwshane]

Guys, some people aren’t smart enough to recognize a red herring when it comes up. Making/not making Floyd a hero/idol is a red herring and is obvious if you just listen to the conversations or even look at any of these related threads. We have one thread that’s about Floyd, the rest are about police conduct and/or systemic racism. That’s your first clue that these protests aren’t about Floyd. Floyd is simply yet another example of bad/poor police conduct and the overarching theme of systemic racism. Your second clue about this being a red herring is who’s “concerned” about these protesters “lionizing” Floyd”, they are all righties.

So who should care about what Candice (I’ve never heard of her until this thread) Owens? No one except those who wish to distract and detract from the real issue and it’s no surprise who those people are.

 

[zzyzxroad]

No it isn't. I wasn't talking about the actions of the cops in relation to George. I am talking about the actions of people like you in relation to George. Which is what Candice is talking about. Which is the whole OP of this thread. Or did you forget that? Candice's point is people are idolizing the scumbag George here just because he possibly got killed by a cop.

As far as George part, we aren't 100% sure the actions of the cop actually killed him. Again, both autopsies report he died of a heart attack. Of which one stated complications with the drugs in his system. If George would have died at that moment regardless of what the officers were doing, it isn't murder. It doesn't absolve the officers of their deplorable actions, but it doesn't make them murders here nor does anything in this situation make George a saint. He was a despicable human being. Calling a spade a spade isn't victim blaming. You don't understand what victim blaming means. That is saying a girl should be raped because of how she is dressed. That is victim blaming. I am not saying George should have been killed because he had a disgusting past. Learn the difference.

You miss the question I you about systematic racism in regards to a drug more prevalent in the black community? I can repost if needed.

 

[HumblePie]

You miss the question I you about systematic racism in regards to a drug more prevalent in the black community? I can repost if needed.

No. That is an absurd statement that didn't need to be answered. If it was outlawed in one specific area or against one race then it could be. Since it isn't no. That is like saying cops are sexist in their enforcement because 90% of the people that die from police each year are males. Inequal outcome doesn't mean something is sexist, racist, or whateverist. It's an absurd false equivalency to even suggest what you did.

 

[zzyzxroad]

No. That is an absurd statement that didn't need to be answered. If it was outlawed in one specific area or against one race then it could be. Since it isn't no. That is like saying cops are sexist in their enforcement because 90% of the people that die from police each year are males. It's an absurd false equivalency to even suggest what you did.

That is idiotic. The harsh laws agains crack had a very clear motive. Go do some research.

 

[HumblePie]

Oh Lordy, candices point is fucking stupid as is yours. No one is lionizing the guy. What people are pissed about is that he was straight up murdered on a public street by police. Bringing up his past like this is an attempt to minimize that fact by basically saying this case doesn’t deserve this much attention because look this guy wasn’t the correct victim. It’s the same as minimizing the rape of a prostitute because she was a prostitute.

What the fuck you talking about? There are T-shirts, hats, mugs, and other merchandise right now with Georges face on it. People are caught on video getting white people to bow down to black people and pray that Saint George forgives their souls for being white. You have a crap ton of people that think George is a saint because they don't know the full story right now. Same with Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. You want to idolize someone as a martyr for police brutality it should have been someone like Philandro Castillo. Now there was a good guy. There are other better examples. I would have been way more sympathic with protests over Philandro Castillo instead of Michael Brown or George Floyd. It's not that I am unsympathetic, I would be way more so with a better flag bearer to use.

And, again for the second statement, we don't know if he was murdered or not. Both autopsy reports stated he died by heart attack with zero physical signs of strangulation. What Derek did with the neck hold was wrong, but it may not have been what killed him at all. That is the point you are missing. Had there been no drugs in George's system, and he didn't have a history of using drugs that would screw up his heart then if he had died in that neck hold it would be far more likely it was murder.

 

[HumblePie]

That is idiotic. The harsh laws agains crack had a very clear motive. Go do some research.

It was until 2013 when federal courts forced all such laws and penalties to be equal with others through the Fair Sentencing Act. I am talking in the "hear & now" and not the past. Or do you think it was racist when America had slaves as well? Is that the kind of question you are asking here?

 

[brycejones]

What the fuck you talking about? There are T-shirts, hats, mugs, and other merchandise right now with Georges face on it. People are caught on video getting white people to bow down to black people and pray that Saint George forgives their souls for being white. You have a crap ton of people that think George is a saint because they don't know the full story right now. Same with Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. You want to idolize someone as a martyr for police brutality it should have been someone like Philandro Castillo. Now there was a good guy. There are other better examples. I would have been way more sympathic with protests over Philandro Castillo instead of Michael Brown or George Floyd. It's not that I am unsympathetic, I would be way more so with a better flag bearer to use.

And, again for the second statement, we don't know if he was murdered or not. Both autopsy reports stated he died by heart attack with zero physical signs of strangulation. What Derek did with the neck hold was wrong, but it may not have been what killed him at all. That is the point you are missing. Had there been no drugs in George's system, and he didn't have a history of using drugs that would screw up his heart then if he had died in that neck hold it would be far more likely it was murder.

Making him a symbol of police brutality is not lionizing him as a person. Why does this even need to be explained to you?

The rest of your post is again victim blaming.

So many words from you so little actual thought and humanity.

 

[zzyzxroad]

It was until 2013 when federal courts forced all such laws and penalties to be equal with others through the Fair Sentencing Act. I am talking in the "hear & now" and not the past. Or do you think it was racist when America had slaves as well? Is that the kind of question you are asking here?

You seem like you have a limited understanding of how this shit impacts society. You lock a bunch of folks up and smash families and you think that impact stops the day new laws are past? This was one instance of systematic racism. Educate yourself.

 

[brycejones]

You seem like you have a limited understanding of how this shit impacts society. You lock a bunch of folks up and smash families and you think that impact stops the day new laws are past? This was one instance of systematic racism. Educate yourself.

another example of systemic racism:

Racial Discrimination in the U.S. Housing and Mortgage Lending Markets: A Quantitative Review of Trends, 1976–2016 - Race and Social Problems

We examine trends in racial and ethnic discrimination in U.S. housing and mortgage lending markets through a quantitative review of studies. We code and analyze as a time series results from 16 field experiments of housing discrimination and 19 observational studies of mortgage lending...

link.springer.com

Looks at discrimination in the housing markets which is one of the biggest ways white families build wealth over time.

 

[zzyzxroad]

another example of systemic racism:

Racial Discrimination in the U.S. Housing and Mortgage Lending Markets: A Quantitative Review of Trends, 1976–2016 - Race and Social Problems

We examine trends in racial and ethnic discrimination in U.S. housing and mortgage lending markets through a quantitative review of studies. We code and analyze as a time series results from 16 field experiments of housing discrimination and 19 observational studies of mortgage lending...

link.springer.com

Looks at discrimination in the housing markets which is one of the biggest ways white families build wealth over time.

Yeah we can do this all day. Let's see if he can just man up and admit it is a huge issue.

I has started a post about a doc watched recently that was eye opening but it didnt get any traction. So far the more I reasearch this topic the more depressed I get about how horrible this problem is.

 

[darkswordsman17]

Yeah we can do this all day. Let's see if he can just man up and admit it is a huge issue.

I has started a post about a doc watched recently that was eye opening but it didnt get any traction. So far the more I reasearch this topic the more depressed I get about how horrible this problem is.

He's been doing this on here for like 10 years, you're wasting your time. They are fundamentally dishonest (and for the people that bought his sob stories about what he's experienced, I don't because I don't believe likely much if any of that was true - I'm not going to bother to look but I'm pretty sure his story has changed over time). At some point you should realize you're the ones that are enabling threads to be derailed with pages of his nonsense.

 

[zzyzxroad]

He's been doing this on here for like 10 years, you're wasting your time. They are fundamentally dishonest (and for the people that bought his sob stories about what he's experienced, I don't because I don't believe likely much if any of that was true - I'm not going to bother to look but I'm pretty sure his story has changed over time). At some point you should realize you're the ones that are enabling threads to be derailed with pages of his nonsense.

You are right.

So back candace... she is an insincere grifter. Change my mind

 

[VRAMdemon]

Here we go, Trump retweeting Owens saying George Floyd was not a good person. Just a day after saying Floyd is looking down on us from heaven.

Trump shares Candace Owens interview saying ‘George Floyd was not a good person’

US president Donald Trump has shared an interview in which conservative activist Candace Owens describes George Floyd as a symbol of a “broken culture in black America today” and insists that “he was not a good person”.Mr Floyd died last month in Minneapolis after a police officer pinned him to...

www.yahoo.com

Trumpista relation, with the right wing spin machine with it's nifty new spin. Subtle as a brick.

I've now seen claims that George Floyd and the cop are both actors and they were paid by Soros to make Trump look bad. Even putting ridiculous conspiracy theories like this aside, murdering someone, and then searching for reasons why they were the problem or don't deserve any sympathy and recognition, is something that totalitarian governments have always done.

One has to wonder how a cop killing a suspect in Minneapolis supposed to make the President of the United States look bad?...

This must be an ongoing project. The conspirators have been paying police officers to hurt and kill black people in the most outrageous scenarios they can contrive, with the hope that eventually one of them would result in a fiasco that would cause Trump to lose his shit. A large number of black men have given up their lives in unimaginable ways toward this end.

Hmmm...Maybe George Soros is paying Donald Trump to do a terrible job as President in order to discredit the Trump administration?!

 

[snoopy7548]

No it isn't. I wasn't talking about the actions of the cops in relation to George. I am talking about the actions of people like you in relation to George. Which is what Candice is talking about. Which is the whole OP of this thread. Or did you forget that? Candice's point is people are idolizing the scumbag George here just because he possibly got killed by a cop.

As far as George part, we aren't 100% sure the actions of the cop actually killed him. Again, both autopsies report he died of a heart attack. Of which one stated complications with the drugs in his system. If George would have died at that moment regardless of what the officers were doing, it isn't murder. It doesn't absolve the officers of their deplorable actions, but it doesn't make them murders here nor does anything in this situation make George a saint. He was a despicable human being. Calling a spade a spade isn't victim blaming. You don't understand what victim blaming means. That is saying a girl should be raped because of how she is dressed. That is victim blaming. I am not saying George should have been killed because he had a disgusting past. Learn the difference.

"We can't be 100% sure the drunk driver killed that man because he had a heart condition."

 

[JEDIYoda]

Serves her right.....

GoFundMe Suspends Candace Owens After She Trashes George Floyd

GoFundMe suspended pro-Trump personality Candace Owens from its fundraising platform on Sunday, after Owens raised more than $200,000 on the site for an Alabama cafe whose owner called George Floyd a “thug.” Owens has become one of the right’s most prominent critics of Floyd and the protests...

www.yahoo.com

GoFundMe suspended pro-Trump personality Candace Owens from its fundraising platform on Sunday, after Owens raised more than $200,000 on the site for an Alabama cafe whose owner called George Floyd a “thug.”

In a statement, GoFundMe said that Owens, who is black, had spread “falsehoods against the black community.”

“GoFundMe has suspended the account associated with Candace Owens and the GoFundMe campaign has been removed because of a repeated pattern of inflammatory statements that spread hate, discrimination, intolerance and falsehoods against the black community at a time of profound national crisis,” the fundraising platform said in a statement. “These actions violate our terms of service.”

 

[VRAMdemon]

Here is an incident of a man with schizophrenia and depression and was off his prescription medication and apparently on cocaine, who died at the hands of the police while having been pinned and pressure placed on his back and neck for 13 minutes. Does this guy deserve to known as a bad person, or a "despicable human being"?

'You're gonna kill me!': Dallas police body cam footage reveals the final minutes of Tony Timpa's life

Tony Timpa wailed and pleaded for help more than 30 times as Dallas police officers pinned his shoulders, knees and neck to the ground. ...

www.dallasnews.com

This happened in 2016, but the Dallas PD fought for 3 years to keep the video from the public. They finally lost and the video was released in 2019.

The video is hard to watch as the officers make fun of the man, laugh and joke about him "passing out" and "sleeping" after the man begged for his life and then went dead silent.

 

[Caveman]

I don't wander in there often because although it can be entertaining, it's seldom of much use as there is no honest attempt to have an unbiased discussion. Not that you would believe me, but I have zero political stakehold for "a side", and I have no idea who HP is.

That said, I will say if all his opponents could be as rational as he comes across, then their arguments might be a trifle more convincing. Emotional outbursts and personal attacks with foregone conclusions do not convince people of anything. Seeing this video helped deepen my understanding of how important it is to not have foregone conclusions:

The fallacy of a foregone conclusion

 

[zzyzxroad]

I don't wander in there often because although it can be entertaining, it's seldom of much use as there is no honest attempt to have an unbiased discussion. Not that you would believe me, but I have zero political stakehold for "a side", and I have no idea who HP is.

That said, I will say if all his opponents could be as rational as he comes across, then their arguments might be a trifle more convincing. Emotional outbursts and personal attacks with foregone conclusions do not convince people of anything. Seeing this video helped deepen my understanding of how important it is to not have foregone conclusions:

The fallacy of a foregone conclusion

Are you talking about humblepie. I though my interaction was rational and I pointed out how he was wrong. DM me of you feel otherwise and I would take any criticism constructively.

Darkwordsman had a valid point that I was contributing to detail the original topic which I guess I am again. Sorry DW17.

 

[JEDIYoda]

HumblePie talks around these issues and he purposely doesn`t understand because that is what people of his ilk do...they try to justify a Republican talking point that there is no racism!
Then when somebody calls him out he will claim NOT to be racist!

Listen closely to what HumblePie says -- And, again for the second statement, we don't know if he was murdered or not. -- looked like murder by asphyxiation to the whole world.....

Both autopsy reports stated he died by heart attack with zero physical signs of strangulation. What Derek did with the neck hold was wrong, but it may not have been what killed him at all. --- That is something a racist would claim.....
That is the point you are missing. Had there been no drugs in George's system, and he didn't have a history of using drugs that would screw up his heart then if he had died in that neck hold it would be far more likely it was murder. -- That has been debunked by both independant autopsies! Both stated he died due to asphyxiation!!!
What you don`t want to get is that the coroner who did the in itial autopsy works for the County! The County has a vested interest in NOT being involved in a lawsuit and they have a vested interest in PROTECTING their Police force!
In Minnesota Coroners are elected........so there are many reasons for the coroner to hedge or even omit or lie....

The way you have doubled down on what you claim leads me to believe you have racial tendencies!

 

[darkswordsman17]

I don't wander in there often because although it can be entertaining, it's seldom of much use as there is no honest attempt to have an unbiased discussion. Not that you would believe me, but I have zero political stakehold for "a side", and I have no idea who HP is.

That said, I will say if all his opponents could be as rational as he comes across, then their arguments might be a trifle more convincing. Emotional outbursts and personal attacks with foregone conclusions do not convince people of anything. Seeing this video helped deepen my understanding of how important it is to not have foregone conclusions:

The fallacy of a foregone conclusion

Ah yes, I'm sure you're the perfectly objective person with no bias whatsoever. You could try being honest instead. The reason you "don't wander in often" is because you post stupid shit but can't handle being called out on it.

Which there's the problem with drive-by philosophy. Because if you weren't so keen to gloat about not knowing what you're talking about, you'd know there's a reason they get that response. Just like there's a reason you get the response you do because you're super not political or biased but hey look at this conspiracy!!! Which you'd think someone being "objective" would learn a lil something before spouting off. But gotta love you basking in ignorance and claiming that makes you smarter and less biased, while you try and criticize people for ignorance.

You're not the first clown to try this routine.

Are you talking about humblepie. I though my interaction was rational and I pointed out how he was wrong. DM me of you feel otherwise and I would take any criticism constructively.

Darkwordsman had a valid point that I was contributing to detail the original topic which I guess I am again. Sorry DW17.

Nothing to apologize to me for. I was just letting you know so you didn't waste any more time and energy.

Here's another tip. The person you were responding to isn't worth it either. He's yet another perfect arbiter of objectivity that "has no biases" but golly gee just happens to be in lockstep with basically everything right wingers do. He defended Turmp's bleach injection nonsense (literally). He wanted to know why people weren't losing their minds over the stupid COVID19 conspiracy video (that one with the woman that basically has been shown to have really gone off the deep end).

Haha, just looked. He's a fucking Comet PingPong Pizzagate dumbass. That's the level of stupid you're dealing with there.