what do people think about candace owens george floyd video?

[sportage]

My Trumpie family have been sharing this video like crazy. So I knew the video and Candance Owens were both full of crap before I ever watched it. This is yet another form of racism pure and simple. In this case her racism for her personal profit. I go back to Al Sharpton and the eulogy of George Floyd where Al Sharpton gave a moving account of what the phrase "TAKE YOUR KNEE OFF OUR NECKS" means. Everyone needs to watch that Eulogy, especially the Al Sharpton part. It's on YouTube.

Al said in that eulogy, "We were smarter than the underfunded schools you put us in, but you had your knee on our neck. We could run corporations and not hustle in the street, but you had your knee on our neck. We had creative skills, we could do whatever anybody else could do, but we couldn’t get your knee off our neck. What happened to Floyd happens every day in this country, in education, in health services, and in every area of American life, it’s time for us to stand up in George’s name and say get your knee off our necks. Even blacks that broke through, you kept your knee on that neck. Michael Jordan won all of these championships, and you kept digging for mess because you got to put a knee on our neck. White housewives would run home to see a black woman on TV named Oprah Winfrey and you messed with her because you just can’t take your knee off our neck. A man comes out of a single parent home, educates himself and rises up and becomes the President of the United States and you ask him for his birth certificate because you can’t take your knee off our neck."

 

[HumblePie]

I've got a feeling you're going to disagree with racism being a factor unless the cop is literally shouting the n-word while doing it. I'll tell you why it's obvious to me that racism played a role here.

Because the trigger for the cop's anger was passive resistance. He wouldn't let them put him into his car. I can see cops getting angry over that. Some cops are real dicks and get very testy, even rough, when a suspect doesn't comply with what they're telling them to do because they have this God complex.

The problem is they kneeled on this man for over 8 minutes. Continued kneeling when he said he couldn't breathe. Continued kneeling while onlookers were saying he might be dying or dead already. Continued kneeling when he became motionless. Continued kneeling after they found no pulse. Didn't give CPR after they got up. Waited three minutes to even call an ambulance.

I've seen some dick behavior from cops who were pissed because someone didn't cooperate, but that is extreme behavior, and extreme behavior calls for an explanation. They must have devalued this man's life for some reason, must have at best just not cared much whether he lived or died. All their behavior suggests it. If the reason for treating the man as if his life was unimportant wasn't because he was black, I'm all ears as to what other explanation that might be. By mere process of elimination, racism seems like the most plausible explanation to me.

Power tripping cops and police brutality aren't racist in and of themselves. I've been slammed to the ground and held at gun point by a power tripping cop before. In fact, last time it happened was 6 years ago. Coming back from South Padre after spring break with my wife and friends. We all were in her friends van. I was laying my head in my wife's lap on the way back although I was completely buckled up. The girl driving was speeding a little while we were heading back and that time of year is just a massive speed trap for cops to make huge money. Soon as we got pulled over I woke up and sat up as the cop was coming around the van window on my side. He literally freaked out from my movement. Drew is gun, slammed the door open, and dragged me out of the seat. Slammed me on the ground, placed his knee between my shoulders and put his gun to the back of my head with the barrel touching all the while yelling at me. Soon as I was on the ground I said, "Had your fun officer? I was asleep in the back seat when you pulled us over. I am unarmed and not resisting. If you continue this my lawyer will eat your lunch." He yelled at me one more time saying I shouldn't have made a sudden movement like that and got off me. He gave the girl a ticket still. Cop was a white bubba good ol' boy kind too with the way he was acting and talking.

If Derek Chauvin or any of the other non-white officers at the scene had a history of incidents even smelling like racism, it would probably have been leaked by now. The situation didn't come across as racism from what I know of it, but straight up excess use of force.

 

[HumblePie]

There is evidence of drugs in his system. No evidence of "crazy" behavior. HP is embellishing things to support a narrative he favors.

Minneapolis releases transcript of George Floyd 911 call

Floyd, 46, died after a police officer kept his knee on his neck for several minutes while he cried out that he couldn't breathe.

www.cbsnews.com

There is part of the transcript.

"he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself "

"He is not acting right "

Supposedly others called.

As far as the first video from the security camera, when the officer is pulling him out of the car, you can see the officer has to make a sudden movement to catch or restrain George initially before walking him to the wall. I don't even know why we are having this argument. Both autopsy reports stated there was drugs in his system. The people calling in reported he was acting like he was on drugs. He has a history of drug use.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Power tripping cops and police brutality aren't racist in and of themselves. I've been slammed to the ground and held at gun point by a power tripping cop before. In fact, last time it happened was 6 years ago. Coming back from South Padre after spring break with my wife and friends. We all were in her friends van. I was laying my head in my wife's lap on the way back although I was completely buckled up. The girl driving was speeding a little while we were heading back and that time of year is just a massive speed trap for cops to make huge money. Soon as we got pulled over I woke up and sat up as the cop was coming around the van window on my side. He literally freaked out from my movement. Drew is gun, slammed the door open, and dragged me out of the seat. Slammed me on the ground, placed his knee between my shoulders and put his gun to the back of my head with the barrel touching all the while yelling at me. Soon as I was on the ground I said, "Had your fun officer? I was asleep in the back seat when you pulled us over. I am unarmed and not resisting. If you continue this my lawyer will eat your lunch." He yelled at me one more time saying I shouldn't have made a sudden movement like that and got off me. He gave the girl a ticket still. Cop was a white bubba good ol' boy kind too with the way he was acting and talking.

If Derek Chauvin or any of the other non-white officers at the scene had a history of incidents even smelling like racism, it would probably have been leaked by now. The situation didn't come across as racism from what I know of it, but straight up excess use of force.

Do you think systematic racism is a major problem in the US? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[dank69]

The truth hurts sometimes.

The truth behind racial disparities in fatal police shootings

New research from MSU reveals findings that contradict what many people think about racial disparities in fatal police shootings.

msutoday.msu.edu

But if you're not satisfied with this either, riddle me this: how racist is the UK relative to the US?

Because if they're less racist, it doesn't explain why the proportions of crime vs. number killed would stay so similar to the US.

Do you think they treat homeless, mentally ill, or career criminal white people the same as middle class white people?

Hey sunshine, what is the statistical probability that a cop will be assaulted by a young black male and what is the statistical probability that a young black male will be assaulted by a cop. If you can't provide those numbers then admit you have no idea what the fuck you are talking about.

I'll give you a hint, the chances that a cop will be assaulted by a young black male compared to being assaulted by any white person are roughly equivalent the the chances of being struck by lightning compared to winning the powerball jackpot, respectively. However, the chances that a young black male will be assaulted by a cop are high enough that you would shit your pants every time you left the house if you were in that position.

 

[amenx]

Yeah...she found her money making niche on social media and exploits the attention it gets well....nothing really to see here.

Candace Owens was the CEO of an anti-Trump, liberal-leaning website called Degree180. Owens wrote in 2015 that it was “good news” that the “Republican Tea Party … will eventually die off. Degree180 also talked about Trump’s penis size and him being racist with an immigrant wife.

The site reportedly shut down by the end of 2016 and Owens magically “came out” as a conservative on YouTube a few months later.

So she did a 180?

 

[HumblePie]

Do you think systematic racism is a major problem in the US? A simple yes or no will do.

Systemactic? Almost none. There is only one set of laws that is race based that I know that allows for legal favoring of one race over another. That being affirmative action.

Social racism a major problem? Depends on where you are at, but not for the whole of the US.

Are there people in power with racist attitudes regardless of what race the person is? Sure there is. Those can be media people, politicians, or police figures. Unfortunately positions of power tends to attract those people that like to feel in power over others. So while I can't say for sure how large of a portion that is, I can easily believe a significant portion of people in those positions are crazier than the population at large when it comes to egos, power tripping, and racist attitudes.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Systemactic? Almost none. There is only one set of laws that is race based that I know that allows for legal favoring of one race over another. That being affirmative action.

Social racism a major problem? Depends on where you are at, but not for the whole of the US.

Are there people in power with racist attitudes regardless of what race the person is? Sure there is. Those can be media people, politicians, or police figures. Unfortunately positions of power tends to attract those people that like to feel in power over others. So while I can't say for sure how large of a portion that is, I can easily believe a significant portion of people in those positions are crazier than the population at large when it comes to egos, power tripping, and racist attitudes.

So let's say there was a drug that was way more prevalent in the black community and laws were passed to impose extremely harsh sentences for possessing small amounts of that drug. Then a national campaign that made that drug look like it was going to ruin our country if we didnt waged a war against it. Is that social or systematic racism in your book?

 

[JEDIYoda]

You all know HumblePioe`s standard operating procedure by now!
My take is HP is a bot or a government agent posing on these forums trying to cast doubts about the Black lives matter movement!

 

[woolfe9998]

The truth hurts sometimes.

The truth behind racial disparities in fatal police shootings

New research from MSU reveals findings that contradict what many people think about racial disparities in fatal police shootings.

msutoday.msu.edu

But if you're not satisfied with this either, riddle me this: how racist is the UK relative to the US?

Because if they're less racist, it doesn't explain why the proportions of crime vs. number killed would stay so similar to the US.

Do you think they treat homeless, mentally ill, or career criminal white people the same as middle class white people?

Honest answer: I don't know. Kelly Thomas is one case.

 

[woolfe9998]

Minneapolis releases transcript of George Floyd 911 call

Floyd, 46, died after a police officer kept his knee on his neck for several minutes while he cried out that he couldn't breathe.

www.cbsnews.com

There is part of the transcript.

"he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself "

"He is not acting right "

Supposedly others called.

As far as the first video from the security camera, when the officer is pulling him out of the car, you can see the officer has to make a sudden movement to catch or restrain George initially before walking him to the wall. I don't even know why we are having this argument. Both autopsy reports stated there was drugs in his system. The people calling in reported he was acting like he was on drugs. He has a history of drug use.

I think it's important not to frame this inaccurately, as if he was acting wild, attacking police, endangering others. Being on drugs can mean a lot of things, including being listless. From video I saw before the restraint, he looked out of it. Not dangerous.

 

[Vic]

Do you think systematic racism is a major problem in the US? A simple yes or no will do.

You're literally asking a blind man to see here, but I applaud your efforts.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Minneapolis releases transcript of George Floyd 911 call

Floyd, 46, died after a police officer kept his knee on his neck for several minutes while he cried out that he couldn't breathe.

www.cbsnews.com

There is part of the transcript.

"he is awfully drunk and he's not in control of himself "

"He is not acting right "

Supposedly others called.

As far as the first video from the security camera, when the officer is pulling him out of the car, you can see the officer has to make a sudden movement to catch or restrain George initially before walking him to the wall. I don't even know why we are having this argument. Both autopsy reports stated there was drugs in his system. The people calling in reported he was acting like he was on drugs. He has a history of drug use.

You continue to post your nonesense even though 2 independant medical examiners stated other wise that his death had nothing to do with anythinmg other than asphyxiation! That was the cause of death!
Continue all you want to post stuff that has been disproven!
We understand you are hoping and maybe even pissin in your pants to get these 4 cops acquitted!

 

[Muse]

she seems well spoken. very interesting statistics . 18x more likely for police to be killed by a black person than a black person is to be killed by police. I know i have had the police pull guns on me multiple times and had to lay on the ground as they pointed a shotgun at my head.
Candace Owens took to her Facebook Live to address why she does not support George Floyd.

TBH, I have been wondering and this is a revelation. I mean, wondering at the canonizing of GF, the lack of any willingness in the open media to discuss what his role was in the goings on Memorial Day. The counterfeit 20... well, I saw a 15 second video of the store clerk say he didn't know for sure if Floyd knew it was counterfeit. But that's it. Also, the suggestion that Floyd refused to get in the squad car. That was sketchy, nobody said much I heard. I think I saw... maybe... that Floyd fell, was it intentional or by accident? Again no discussion. No discussion, or almost none about drugs, etc. in his system. She's saying he was on meth and fentanyl. Never got a whiff of that except in that video. I think I heard he was drunk. This is some shit. dang.
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Develop an interest in life as you see it; the people, things, literature, music - the world is so rich, simply throbbing with rich treasures, beautiful souls and interesting people. Forget yourself. -- Henry Miller

 

[zzyzxroad]

You're literally asking a blind man to see here, but I applaud your efforts.

Probably but all I can do is try.

The crack example i I posted is just one of many examples. This shit didn't just target individuals, they took a sledge hammer to families and communities. I've been in a bubble of privilege my entire life but my eyes are opening.

I can't begin to comprehend how we fix these issues. I don't think one political party is to blame. I think both are and our entire society needs to come together work diligently to mend this.

 

[Muse]

Dude was murdered on Camera, by those who supposedly uphold the Law. There is no excuse.

Yeah, there's no excuse. But her video makes plain that she's upset that so many protesters are pretending things are other than what they are. There's a lot of prevarication all around. Not good.

Edit: Didn't know she has a big profile. Well, I had to wonder if she had an iron in the fire, if she has a stake, and she obviously does and profits from her mapping out her space in the national conversation. I prefer people who are objective... relatively. Objectivity is a good word, not sure it's obtainable but that may be me. I think you have to mistrust people who profit from their opinion structures, have to realize they are often if not usually or almost always arriving at their opinions for selfish reasons. Still, she had some stark statistics to back up her arguments.
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A word to the wise is sufficient.

18x what? 0.01% vs 0.18% chance?

Yeah, I had to wonder WTF that was about. Sounds like a cherry pick of some stats that don't say what they seem to.
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I don't give a damn for a man that can only spell a word one way. - Mark Twain

 

[woolfe9998]

Yeah, there's no excuse. But her video makes plain that she's upset that so many protesters are pretending things are other than what they are. There's a lot of prevarication all around. Not good.

Specifically, she was saying they shouldn't be putting GF's face on t-shirts and posters and making him some kind of hero. Given that he, among other felonies throughout his life, conducted an armed home invasion where he pressed a gun to a pregnant woman's belly while his friends robbed her house. She kind of has a point that is difficult to refute, even if I disagree with other things she says.

Yes, these prevarications are unnecessary and disappointing. GF need not have been a great guy, or even a good guy, for his unjustified death to be worthy of protest. I see political narratives taking precedence over facts everywhere these days, and unfortunately this problem isn't entirely confined to the right.

 

[amenx]

Also, the suggestion that Floyd refused to get in the squad car. That was sketchy, nobody said much I heard. I think I saw... maybe... that Floyd fell, was it intentional or by accident?

Apparently Floyd told the cops he was claustrophobic and didnt want to get in the car. Which explains why (or if) he struggled if they forced him to get in.

George Floyd told police he was struggling to breathe before he was restrained

Prosecutors detail the final moments of Floyd's life as he begged for air.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[HumblePie]

I think it's important not to frame this inaccurately, as if he was acting wild, attacking police, endangering others. Being on drugs can mean a lot of things, including being listless. From video I saw before the restraint, he looked out of it. Not dangerous.

Going in and out of the store and interacting with people is not being listless. Most people would report it differently. He has a history of cocaine/crack use which has been known to cause permanent manic episodes in people. Meth also causes mania which was in his system and supposedly in the bag of drugs recovered from him. A listless person doesn't require the police to subdue either.


Also, Robert Barnes had stated some info in this stream yesterday that was news to me.

Until now, I hadn't see any records or reports about the past behavior of the cops. Turns out, all but the new guy has a history of misconduct and abuse. Not racism based misconduct, but definitely excessive force. Derek Chauvin was actually supposed to be criminally charged with shooting up a person sitting in their vehicle with some other cops. Amy Klobuchar got them all off. That she did so a number of times and let this and a few other bad cops continue to work on the streets.

 

[sandorski]

Going in and out of the store and interacting with people is not being listless. Most people would report it differently. He has a history of cocaine/crack use which has been known to cause permanent manic episodes in people. Meth also causes mania which was in his system and supposedly in the bag of drugs recovered from him. A listless person doesn't require the police to subdue either.


Also, Robert Barnes had stated some info in this stream yesterday that was news to me.

Until now, I hadn't see any records or reports about the past behavior of the cops. Turns out, all but the new guy has a history of misconduct and abuse. Not racism based misconduct, but definitely excessive force. Derek Chauvin was actually supposed to be criminally charged with shooting up a person sitting in their vehicle with some other cops. Amy Klobuchar got them all off. That she did so a number of times and let this and a few other bad cops continue to work on the streets.

We have video of his Murder. His History is moot.

 

[brycejones]

Going in and out of the store and interacting with people is not being listless. Most people would report it differently. He has a history of cocaine/crack use which has been known to cause permanent manic episodes in people. Meth also causes mania which was in his system and supposedly in the bag of drugs recovered from him. A listless person doesn't require the police to subdue either.


Also, Robert Barnes had stated some info in this stream yesterday that was news to me.

Until now, I hadn't see any records or reports about the past behavior of the cops. Turns out, all but the new guy has a history of misconduct and abuse. Not racism based misconduct, but definitely excessive force. Derek Chauvin was actually supposed to be criminally charged with shooting up a person sitting in their vehicle with some other cops. Amy Klobuchar got them all off. That she did so a number of times and let this and a few other bad cops continue to work on the streets.

Victim blaming is never a good look.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Going in and out of the store and interacting with people is not being listless. Most people would report it differently. He has a history of cocaine/crack use which has been known to cause permanent manic episodes in people. Meth also causes mania which was in his system and supposedly in the bag of drugs recovered from him. A listless person doesn't require the police to subdue either.


Also, Robert Barnes had stated some info in this stream yesterday that was news to me.

Until now, I hadn't see any records or reports about the past behavior of the cops. Turns out, all but the new guy has a history of misconduct and abuse. Not racism based misconduct, but definitely excessive force. Derek Chauvin was actually supposed to be criminally charged with shooting up a person sitting in their vehicle with some other cops. Amy Klobuchar got them all off. That she did so a number of times and let this and a few other bad cops continue to work on the streets.

You could just admit that you are doing your best to place the blame of floyd!
Also you could be a man and admit if you were on the jury that you already have your mind made up and would vote for acquittal!!
See how that honesty thing works!!

 

[Jhhnn]

Victim blaming is never a good look.

He just hasn't figured out how to blame Obama so he blames Klobuchar.

 

[Muse]

I do appreciate you outing your true beliefs and exposing that YOU are the fucking problem.

If you watch a lot of movies you realize that you don't have to be black to glorify criminals. Blacks have no monopoly on that. Need I reach?

 

[HumblePie]

Victim blaming is never a good look.

What the fuck. There is no victim blaming going on here. You are too out of touch to understand what I am saying or just being willfully ignorant.