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Fausto

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<< Uh, no he's not. IMHO to be considered "professional", one must be skillful in his craft. Tex aint. >>


DOH! My bad.

Further rebuttals:



<< HAHAHA I'll take this one Corn. First you were STUPID enought to say I've never been out of Texas and I had to smack you down on the 3 other countries and 3 other states I have lived in, including California.

And now you make this Moronic Claim.

Allow me to smack you down once again! LOL

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Not a Political Thread and I even congradulate a Liberal for Getting Elite Status!

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You of course ignored the real point I was making in both cases.

1) I asked if you'd ever been to Berkeley...as in: do you really know anything about it as an institution beyond the stuff you read in the papers (and I pointed out why you read the kind of stuff in the papers you do and not what the Physics department is doing). The question about TX was basically rhetorical, implying you are an amazingly unworldly person despite your avowed travels.

2) I have asked you repeatedly what your involvement in politics is beyond absurd posturing and namecalling here on ATOT and voting (I'll make the leap of faith that you do indeed vote) and you have yet to answer this question. You will also note that I accused you of being a professional flamer, not just a professional political flamer. I'm super-glad you can type things other than just yelling and screaming, but until you actually take up the torch and do something your words are just that. Sound and fury....signifying nothing.

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Texmaster

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<< Wrong again. Are you saying only white kids read conservative newspapers? Quit trying to make a racial issue out of a political issue. But then again, that is where some of you liberals really strive for. >>



I'm saying the issue that sparked the whole thing was hispanics against whites, which it was. But you want to make it a liberal issue as your kind really strives for.
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LOL!!! Wrong again MORON! The kids stealing the papers while they were being distributed were of ALL colors.

In fact, b0mbrman goes to Berkeley and reported its the same group of MIXED kids that are causeing the trouble. LOL

Next.



<< Clearly the school didn't support it if they took action to stop it. Who's fading now? LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL >>

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My God you can't be this stupid.

You claimed the school didn't support the class and I had to point out that the college gave credit for it so of course it sponsored it.

And now the School reopened it. Of COURSE they supported it you idiot!
 

Vic

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<< So, what have we learned about [/b]you[/b] PSYWVic?

Well, for one we've learned you're a hypocrite who can say "fsck" a couple times in his posts.
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Damnit, Corn, sometimes you end up getting your hands dirty when you take out the trash.



<< Damn, now I'm starting to sound like you...... >>



Which I see that you have discovered for yourself. ;)
 

TapTap

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<< I ame across this doing a search under her name, Great letter:

An Open Letter to Rep. Barbara Lee

Ms. Lee,

In your letter of explanation posted on commondreams.org, you stated, "I confronted the solemn responsibility of voting to authorize the nation to go to war. Some believe this resolution was only symbolic, designed to show national resolve. But I could not ignore that it provided explicit authority, under the War Powers Resolution and the Constitution, to go to war." And further, "In granting these overly broad powers, the Congress failed its responsibility to understand the dimensions of its declaration. I could not support such a grant of war-making authority to the president; I believe it would put more innocent lives at risk."

I found your letter to be offensive both politically and personally. Not only have you, as an elected official, committed the most grievous of errors, you have done so at a time that makes it beyond reprehensible.

Let me explain my choice of terms.

I found your explanation offensive politically because you, as an elected official, placed in office at the whim of your constituents to vote their will, have abrogated that responsibility by ignoring the will of the people and instead voting your own twisted, personal agenda. You have violated the spirit of the office and in doing so, deserve to be recalled. It is my fervent hope that your constituents see your actions in the same way.

I found your explanation offensive personally because I abhor people who are duplicitous and self-serving. You have proven yourself to be all of the above and more. You were elected to reflect the will of the people, not to promote your own personal agenda. Your self-aggrandizement in using this tragedy as a platform to promote your socialist agenda and doing so at a time when we need, as Americans, to pull together is despicable. Your blatant attempt to call attention to yourself during this crisis is a sign of your disrespect for the system you represent, the people who elected you, and those that pay your salary.

We are facing a disaster of unprecedented proportions. Never have so many American lives been lost at one time and in one place. The one good thing to come out of a tragedy of this magnitude is that it has allowed, nay, forced us to overcome political, racial, religious, and economic barriers. Never have we been as united as we are today. Never have we set aside our differences and in a manner so open as to defy reason or prediction.

Then there is you. Your act shows that you cannot be one of us. Your act shows that you think so little of us and hold your own ideals and intellect above that of the Americans you represent, above your fellow Congresspersons, above our leaders, their advisors, clerics, and experts.

The only other explanation that I can conceive is that you just cannot stand to see us unite and set aside our differences. You cannot stand that the divisiveness of the past can be overcome and that your career, built on that same divisiveness, is in danger. You, like other demagogues around the world, feed on hate and pain and anger.

Let me be the first to tell you that you will not succeed. Your lone voice of dissent will not sway the right-thinking Americans who cherish their country, their freedom, and their way of life. You will not cause us to fight among ourselves and you will not weaken the spirit that is stronger now than it has ever been. You will not finish the job that the terrorists started.

We will have our retribution. We will hunt down and destroy the animals that attacked us because to do anything else would be to admit defeat. If you learn one thing about this country, Ms. Lee, learn this: We will never give up. We will not be destroyed by enemies from outside of our borders and we will not be divided by enemies from within.

David Slocum
Patriot
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Texmaster

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<< Texmaster, have you considered reading a post in its entirety before you dissect it in order to attack it? >>




Not if you make points that need to be adressed one at a time, no :) If you were making the same point then yes.



<< Or what that the whole point of your rebuttal? Anyway, I'm hardly going to rebut myself to this rant when you clearly missed all the arguments contained inside. >>



You can run away, thats your perogative.



<< I'll give you a little help: I'm not going to respond to your first rant that you posted after my first sentence, "Define how I am a Nazi you ignorant piece of trash," when I oh so clearly defined how you are in Nazi in my last sentence (which somehow, I don't know how, you missed). >>



LOL You mean this is your "evidence?"

<< As for my accusation, it is dead fscking on. I know your type. You hate everyone who disagrees with you. You would change the world in your image, by force if you could. So yeah, you're a Nazi. Wake up and smell the gas chambers.

If I hate everyone that disagrees with me, then why am I nominating a person in my sig that 99.9% of the time disagrees with my politically you MORON? LOL answer that.
 

drewshin

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And Where did I use the word Mexicans? Are all non english speaking illegal aliens Mexicans to you?

and where did i say that ALL illegal aliens are mexican? if you've been living in america for the last twenty or thirty years (which i highly doubt), you would know that most illegal aliens are mexican.

Illegal aliens (I wont generalize them as Mexicans as you are doing) Are not paying any taxes and using public services.
most illegal aliens (MAINLY mexicans) arent paying taxes because their employers (the REAL americans you talk about) are ripping them off. they pay them substandard wages and pocket the rest instead of reporting it to the government. or they'll small odd jobs for private parties, who of course wont report this either.

This is a slap in the face to every immigrant who come over here and is over here going through the process.
i really dont care about the process. why do you think they've had amnesties. there's been people waiting for 20 years to become legal.



<< this country wouldnt be anywhere without immigrants. of course there's going to be bad apples and freeloaders, but dont you think there were probably around the same percentage of criminals when the irish came, then germans, then the italians, then the asians? >>



America is now an established country. We cannot afford literally to keep funding illegal aliens.



<< in every period you had the ignorant and dim-witted calling for closing of borders or a stop to immigration, with cries of 'theyre taking our jobs, or they're criminals', but america kept on growing and will keep on growing as long as we have immigrants coming here, legally or illegally. >>



Judges on the border are in such high demand to hear illegal immigrant cases that they have to start at 5 in the morning.
does this even answer claim that a great majority of immigrants are here working hard to help our country??? you've got the bad seeds, but they dont last long here, the good ones stay and become integrated.

And even then the illegals know that they can plea down to get out of a court case because the system is so overrun.

You really need to read more about the situation before spouting this ignorance.
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it seems like you're talking about your neck of the woods at the border, where of course you'll have shady types on both sides. if you go to a large city, or cities with large recent immigrant populations like los angeles or new york, it's a totally different story. i think you're the one that needs to a little more research instead of blabbering what you've been hearing at the pta meetings.
 

Corn

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<< But I'm the one who has made good friends with Elledan, Czar, Nemesis 77 and BaliBabyDoc. >>



I can appreciate that you, Ellie, and Czar are "buddies", you know--birds of a feather and all that...... ;)

I don't think that I've crossed paths with Nemesis to rate any opinion of him.

Bali is an interesting study. I would agree that his posts are tempered so as to not appear overly slanted and that I'm certain they are true representations of himself.



Am I an asshole? Depends I suppose. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if I believe you are honest in your arguments. I've laid off you for being overly insluting--mostly because I believe you to be honest and your own failings are easily recognizable--so why state the obvious? But just because you're now friends with a couple low lit bulbs is not all that impressive--you deserve one another. :)

 

Fausto

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Update to the running totals:

"Liberals": 9
"Ignorant/Ignorance": 9
"LOL": 11
"Moron(ic)": 7

And I'm supposed to be the one lacking finely crafted arguments....uh..."LOL!"
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b0mbrman

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<< Wrong again. Are you saying only white kids read conservative newspapers? Quit trying to make a racial issue out of a political issue. But then again, that is where some of you liberals really strive for. >>


I'm saying the issue that sparked the whole thing was hispanics against whites, which it was. But you want to make it a liberal issue as your kind really strives for.
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Wrong. It very much so started out as a conservatives vs. liberal thing if even that.

Once upon a time a conservative group spoke its mind. The group they spoke out about apparently didn't like getting their feelings hurt and went after the conservative group's magazines on Sproul (To include knocking guys over, and taking hundreds at a time). Later, *some group* broke into their offices and took even more copies...

Anyhow, the talk went back and forth

The University saw that two groups were fighting and that one was based on race and the other was based on political affiliation...so they immediately assumed the political group was at fault.

Anyhow, if you think it's a Hispanic vs. white thing, you're wrong.
 

Corn

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Nice to see you made the thread Red.

Had I known you were in the bay area, I would have bought you a fine draft or two as I was in your neck of the woods working last week.
 

Texmaster

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<< You of course ignored the real point I was making in both cases. >>



No I didn't but this ought to be good wathcing you try to wiggle out of your own words :)

1) I asked if you'd ever been to Berkeley...as in: do you really know anything about it as an institution beyond the stuff you read in the papers (and I pointed out why you read the kind of stuff in the papers you do and not what the Physics department is doing). The question about TX was basically rhetorical, implying you are an amazingly unworldly person despite your avowed travels.[/i] >>



Now I know why you didn't directyl quote yourself

Have you ever been to Berkeley? Have you ever even been out of Texas, for that matter?

Of course the implecation being I don't travel and have never been to most of the places I debate about.

Of course, I proved you wrong :) Nothing like your own words to choke you huh. HAHAHA



<< 2) I have asked you repeatedly what your involvement in politics is beyond absurd posturing and namecalling here on ATOT and voting (I'll make the leap of faith that you do indeed vote) and you have yet to answer this question. >>



LOL How STUPID are you? What do you think all of those "not a political threads" were referring to? LOL!!



<< You will also note that I accused you of being a professional flamer, not just a professional political flamer. I'm super-glad you can type things other than just yelling and screaming, but until you actually take up the torch and do something your words are just that. Sound and fury....signifying nothing.

Fausto
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Go read those non Political threads and how me where in EACH one I am flamming someone.

Back up your accusation.
 

Fausto

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<< Go read those non Political threads and how me where in EACH one I am flamming someone.

Back up your accusation.
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Sure, just as soon as you answer my question I've asked you four times. I'll use small words this time:

You: not politically active, yet run mouth constantly. Why?

Fausto
 

Orsorum

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<< 1) I disagree with her stance and statements almost completely.

2) I agree with her right to say those things and vote her conscience.

3) I resent Moonbeam's labelling everyone who agrees with the military actions in Afganistan as "nazis".

4) I will continue to dismiss anyone who stands against the military actions IF they cannot provide ANY viable alternative actions.
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I agree.
 

Texmaster

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<< and where did i say that ALL illegal aliens are mexican? if you've been living in america for the last twenty or thirty years (which i highly doubt), you would know that most illegal aliens are mexican. >>



Your own classifation of Illegals was the term "Mexicans". Of course if you have evidence you had another, please produce it LOL



<< most illegal aliens (MAINLY mexicans) arent paying taxes because their employers (the REAL americans you talk about) are ripping them off. they pay them substandard wages and pocket the rest instead of reporting it to the government. or they'll small odd jobs for private parties, who of course wont report this either. >>



Of course "most" illegal aliens are Mexicans, but you didn't say that now did you?

If 85% of one hospital's births are from illegal aliens and it cost 500 MILLION for those births which it does, how do you see this as not a problem?

Or the 15% of all California jails (where you are) are filled with illegal aliens convicted of Crimes, NOT for crossing the border? Who do you think funds them?



<< i really dont care about the process. why do you think they've had amnesties. there's been people waiting for 20 years to become legal. >>



I can see it is obvious you don't care and thats fine. But you are still insulting everyone who came before them and went through the process.



<< does this even answer claim that a great majority of immigrants are here working hard to help our country??? you've got the bad seeds, but they dont last long here, the good ones stay and become integrated. >>



What proof do you have of that? And I certainly don't want to foot the bill for the rest just because you have a guilty conscience.



<< it seems like you're talking about your neck of the woods at the border, where of course you'll have shady types on both sides. >>



I'm in Dallas. I'm only explaining what happens down there. Just because you don't live there doesn't mean its not happening or nothing needs to be done.



<< if you go to a large city, or cities with large recent immigrant populations like los angeles or new york, it's a totally different story. i think you're the one that needs to a little more research instead of blabbering what you've been hearing at the pta meetings. >>



I'll say it again, I'm in a Large City with a Mextroplex population of over 4 million.

Just because something is not happenening where you live doesn't mean it should be ignored or dismissed because you don't care enough to do something about it.
 

Texmaster

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<< Go read those non Political threads and how me where in EACH one I am flamming someone.

Back up your accusation.
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Sure, just as soon as you answer my question I've asked you four times. I'll use small words this time:

You: not politically active, yet run mouth constantly. Why?

Fausto
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I am politically active and you never did ask me this question. If you still claim you have and I did not give you an answer, provide the eviedence.

Now, I have answered your question now answer mine. Show me all the flames I have in each of those non political threads. If I
"do it all the time" like you claim then you should have no problem find a flame in EACH one.
 

Corn

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Tex, LOL, really man, if you are going to call people "STUPID", at least run your posts through a spell checker or something..............this is really getting painful.
 

b0mbrman

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<<

<< 1) I disagree with her stance and statements almost completely.
2) I agree with her right to say those things and "vote her conscience."
3) I resent Moonbeam's labelling everyone who agrees with the military actions in Afganistan as "nazis".
4) I will continue to dismiss anyone who stands against the military actions IF they cannot provide ANY viable alternative actions.
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I agree.
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Yep. That's how I've always felt. But I'd throw another thing in there...just for me ;)

2.5) I agree with the right to disagree with her, and the right to say those thoughts of disagreement out loud, even in Berkeley
 

Red Dawn

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Racebaiter

<< If I hate everyone that disagrees with me, then why am I nominating a person in my sig that 99.9% of the time disagrees with my politically you MORON? LOL answer that. >>

Your lip prints have been all over a lot of fanny's lately Racebaiter. You are probably doing it hoping it will disguise the fact that you are such a obnoxiously bellicose antagonist.
 

Texmaster

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<<

<< But I'm the one who has made good friends with Elledan, Czar, Nemesis 77 and BaliBabyDoc. >>



I can appreciate that you, Ellie, and Czar are "buddies", you know--birds of a feather and all that...... ;)

I don't think that I've crossed paths with Nemesis to rate any opinion of him.
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So I take it you can't make the same claim. Interesting ;)

I do flame those who accuse me of things I am not or accuse me of positions I have not taken. Don't assume just because I'm going after a few here on this thread means I treat everyone the same. If you doubt it, follow those "non political threads I posted earlier" :)

Am I an asshole? Depends I suppose. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if I believe you are honest in your arguments. I've laid off you for being overly insluting--mostly because I believe you to be honest and your own failings are easily recognizable--so why state the obvious? But just because you're now friends with a couple low lit bulbs is not all that impressive--you deserve one another. :)[/i] >>



I know many listed would take acceptance to your accusation, especially BaliBabyDoc. ;)

 

Dragnov

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<<

<<

<< 1) I disagree with her stance and statements almost completely.
2) I agree with her right to say those things and "vote her conscience."
3) I resent Moonbeam's labelling everyone who agrees with the military actions in Afganistan as "nazis".
4) I will continue to dismiss anyone who stands against the military actions IF they cannot provide ANY viable alternative actions.
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I agree.
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Yep. That's how I've always felt. But I'd throw another thing in there...just for me ;)

2.5) I agree with the right to disagree with her, and the right to say those thoughts of disagreement out loud, even in Berkeley
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Yikes, and I thought I get worked up over arguments....

But back on topic and in a much more calmer manner... I agree w/ the above but I also don't want her in office. ;):)
 

Texmaster

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<< Your lip prints have been all over a lot of fanny's lately Racebaiter. You are probably doing it hoping it will disguise the fact that you are such a obnoxiously bellicose antagonist. >>



Oh I see. Then I guess Elledan was all over mine since he apologized first right Dawn? LOL Moron.

LOL Still using the 4th grade tactics of changing someone name for an insult eh Dawn? Go back to your Shuffleboard old man.

Only you in your stupidity would see people of different idiological backgrounds finding common ground "kissing ass"

LOL You're pathetic.
 

b0mbrman

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<< Does anyone at Berkley have a clue? What is it about that school that makes (seemingly) everyone who attends a flippin' idiot? >>


Actually, there are plenty of brilliant people at Berkley (their Bio department comes to mind), it's just that they have always had this very vocal group on the far left of the spectrum politics-wise. Since they're the most outrageous, they get all kinds of press and thus some small-minded people think that's how everyone at Berkley conducts themselves.
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Fausto
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There is one very large, active liberal group on campus. Everyone else is just thinking that way to fit in ;)
 

Texmaster

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<< Tex, LOL, really man, if you are going to call people "STUPID", at least run your posts through a spell checker or something..............this is really getting painful. >>



Just because I don't care to run a spell check on my posts does not take anything away from the content.

Judging a post by its spelling is the mark of someone avioding the real arguement.


Why don't you try answering the points I made instead of falling back on such an obvious delay tactic?
 

Fausto

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<< I am politically active and you never did ask me this question. If you still claim you have and I did not give you an answer, provide the eviedence. >>


Mnnnkay. I can handle that. I'll cut and paste each request for you. Feel free to go back and read everything else at your leisure.



<< I think it's pathetic that you spend so much time here pontificating about Berkley/Clinton/etc and yet apparently spend zero time actually doing anything about it. If you're so passionate about your political ideals, get up from the computer and put your money and time where your mouth is. Armchair politicians are annoying.

Or is it just easier and safer for you to stand on your little ATOT soapbox, point your virtual finger and scream "LIBERAL!!!BAD!!" at easy targets like UCB? I say again, if you feel so strongly about all this, why don't you get off your ass and become an active part of the political process?

Still dying to know why the extent of your political life is apparently confined to ATOT..

If this is the extent of his political and social activity, this makes him a professional flamer. Put up or shut up.

I'm super-glad you can type things other than just yelling and screaming, but until you actually take up the torch and do something your words are just that. Sound and fury....signifying nothing.
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I'm sorry if some were an implied question rather than a direct one. I'll try to keep it simple for you next time I have a question.

Also, how exactly are you politically active? Just saying you are doesn't exactly cut it.

Fausto
 

calbear2000

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tex can you please provide me links to the statistics you provided about illegal immigrants? I'm curious to see how the 85% hospital birth rate you cited compares to the Texas average. I would guess that particular hospital is very close to the border and is a poor indication of the statewide birth rate, let alone the national.

The 15% California jail occupency by violent illegal immigrants is also interesting and I'm curious to see if this was taken out of context somehow.