What can I say but...Berkeley?

[Czar]

Red Dawn


<< No but it obviously you seem to think it includes you. Now if you feel insulted by my opiniojn of your political views you must not feel to secure with them. >>


I dont realy care if in your opinion I fit into that group and it doesnt insult me. I'm just curios why you behave like you do. Why then is it that nearly all of your posts here on OT are insults to some other member here? and more importantly, how does it make you feel when you have insulted someone?

 

[calbear2000]

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<< tex can you please provide me links to the statistics you provided about illegal immigrants? I'm curious to see how the 85% hospital birth rate you cited compares to the Texas average. I would guess that particular hospital is very close to the border and is a poor indication of the statewide birth rate, let alone the national. >>




It was in the Dallas Morning news last week. The Hospital is Parkland Hospital in Dallas. Feel free to call them.



<< The 15% California jail occupency by violent illegal immigrants is also interesting and I'm curious to see if this was taken out of context somehow. >>



The Department of Corrections statistics given by the O'Reilly Factor.

And before you scream he is lying, at least look it up yourself. >>



A little defensive aren't we?

I was hoping you'd provide links to these statistics. >>




I'm sorry I can't your research for you. And as far as being defensive, you already stated you questioned their context.

If you so doubt it, do the research. I gave you the hospital name and the department of corrections as the sources for the statistics. >>




So you expect everyone to believe statistics when you can't link a source? Sorry, I need facts based on evidence. Your credibilty is somewhat lost when you call people names and hurl playground insults instead of proving your "facts" with non-anecdotal proof.

You obviously researched it to be able to recite them partiotically... please provide a link.

 

[Red Dawn]

<< and more importantly, how does it make you feel when you have insulted someone? >>

Actually pretty Damn good you little Goat herding, anti American spewing, baby seal clubbing ,volcano dodging Dweeb! And you know something, when I say I think you are a self righteous pasty faced odd smelling little wanker I really mean it.. kind of.. well maybe not but let's keep that a secret.

 

[Texmaster]

<< So you expect everyone to believe statistics when you can't link a source? Sorry, I need facts based on evidence. Your credibilty is somewhat lost when you call people names and hurl playground insults instead of proving your "facts" with non-anecdotal proof.

You obviously researched it to be able to recite them partiotically... please provide a link. >>




LOL Man you read like a book.

So if there is no link they aren't proof huh.

do you know have a web browser or a phone? I gave you specific places where you could find the information.

If yo are too lazy to do the research yourself thats not my fault

 

[Czar]

Red Dawn


<< Actually pretty Damn good you little Goat herding, anti American spewing, baby seal clubbing ,volcano dodging Dweeb! And you know something, when I say I think you are a self righteous pasty faced odd smelling little wanker I really mean it.. kind of.. well maybe not but let's keep that a secret. >>


No need to be so hostile. You say it makes you feel good, so you insult other people to make yourself feel better, to lower the other person so you can feel superior. Is there something that is missing from your life or something that doesnt make you feel appreciated or respected?

 

[Texmaster]

<< Actually pretty Damn good you little Goat herding, anti American spewing, baby seal clubbing ,volcano dodging Dweeb! And you know something, when I say I think you are a self righteous pasty faced odd smelling little wanker I really mean it.. kind of.. well maybe not but let's keep that a secret. >>



How very very sad. I can just see the anger in you.

 

[Fausto]

<< Yet you knew next to nothing about the Berkeley events you were defending. How sad >>


Sigh....damn you miss points like they're painted camo or something. You may have noticed that each of the organizations I'm involved in are native to GA or Atlanta. That's why I'm involved in them....they directly affect me and my family. You on the other hand, waste volumes of breath and bile on things like Berkeley that have almost zero bearing on you and yours. I was so keen to hear of your political involvement for precisely this reason. I say again, get involved or shut the f*ck up.

Lessee...yap, yap, yap Liberal....bla,blabla....gutless....coupla LOL's....man, you should really join a debate club.



<< << I think this is the part where I insult you and incorporate "LOL", "Moron!", "Ignorant", and "Reactionary(in lieu of "liberal")into a short rant in an effort to shut you up.....you're the expert, of course.

Fausto >>


HAHAHA What a surpise you resort to this since its been the tired standby ending to your posts to me for a while now >>


Again, making the point that you can't put a post together without resorting to insulting people. I've tried to remain basically civil in all this despite your efforts to inflame me and everyone else here. Oh well, grumpy five year-olds can't be reasoned with either.

Fausto

 

[Texmaster]

<< Sigh....damn you miss points like they're painted camo or something. You may have noticed that each of the organizations I'm involved in are native to GA or Atlanta. That's why I'm involved in them....they directly affect me and my family. You on the other hand, waste volumes of breath and bile on things like Berkeley that have almost zero bearing on you and yours. I was so keen to hear of your political involvement for precisely this reason. I say again, get involved or shut the f*ck up. >>



LOL Funny how I'm not involved in any in California yet I knew FAR more about the speicifics than you did.

I guess being a part of "organizations" isn't all its cracked up to be is it? HAHAHAHA



<< Lessee...yap, yap, yap Liberal....bla,blabla....gutless....coupla LOL's....man, you should really join a debate club. >>




Nah, picking apart your pathetic arguments and teaching you lessons in specific events is more fun



<< Again, making the point that you can't put a post together without resorting to insulting people. >>



Sigh. Must I repost those links in ATOT? You just dont get it. Its You and a few others like you I have a problem with. Now climb down from that Cross



<< I've tried to remain basically civil in all this despite your efforts to inflame me and everyone else here. Oh well, grumpy five year-olds can't be reasoned with either. >>



LOL!!!! What a lie. From the beginning you threw out assumptions and false generalizations about me. The only reason you got angry is because I exposed them for what they were, rantings from a beaten adversary

Instead of joining all of those mindless organizations you are a part of, pick up a newspaper. It will do you a world of good in our next encounter

 

[Red Dawn]

<< No need to be so hostile. You say it makes you feel good, so you insult other people to make yourself feel better, to lower the other person so you can feel superior. Is there something that is missing from your life or something that doesnt make you feel appreciated or respected? >>

Frankly, I needn't be so hostile to feel superior, it just makes feeling superior that much more entertaining.


Racebaiter

<< How very very sad. I can just see the anger in you. >>

Yeah baby, I'm a bad man and I'm steaming. Watch out, I'm coming after you!! Your next Tex, I'm going to make you my bitch too. You and your fat little donut eating ass are going to be history man. You can run but you can't hide! I'll case every McDoanalds and every Col Sanders in Texas and I will eventually catch up to you!! And when I do twinky eating days will be through Heffy!

Argh!!! Argh!!! Argh!!!

 

[Czar]

Red Dawn


<< Frankly, I needn't be so hostile to feel superior, it just makes feeling superior that much more entertaining. >>


So you think of yourself as superior to members of this forum and insulting them makes you just feel even more superior. But you seek more, are you not secure with your idea of superiority?

 

[b0mbrman]

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<< tex can you please provide me links to the statistics you provided about illegal immigrants? I'm curious to see how the 85% hospital birth rate you cited compares to the Texas average. I would guess that particular hospital is very close to the border and is a poor indication of the statewide birth rate, let alone the national. >>

It was in the Dallas Morning news last week. The Hospital is Parkland Hospital in Dallas. Feel free to call them.

<< The 15% California jail occupency by violent illegal immigrants is also interesting and I'm curious to see if this was taken out of context somehow. >>

The Department of Corrections statistics given by the O'Reilly Factor.And before you scream he is lying, at least look it up yourself. >>

A little defensive aren't we? I was hoping you'd provide links to these statistics. >>

I'm sorry I can't your research for you. And as far as being defensive, you already stated you questioned their context.If you so doubt it, do the research. I gave you the hospital name and the department of corrections as the sources for the statistics. >>

So you expect everyone to believe statistics when you can't link a source? Sorry, I need facts based on evidence. Your credibilty is somewhat lost when you call people names and hurl playground insults instead of proving your "facts" with non-anecdotal proof. You obviously researched it to be able to recite them partiotically... please provide a link. >>


Is google broken for everyone but me today?

California's Department of Corrections reports that its
average daily population of alien inmates exceeded 16,000
last year. One California government report issued in June
1994 places the population as high as 18,000.8 TDCJ
officials estimate there are between 3,500 and 4,000 aliens
in Texas prisons.9 Califor-nia's reports seem to
substantiate INS' estimates that Texas' inmate population is
between 10 percent and 15 percent foreign-born.10 TPR
believes that TDCJ's self-reporting method of identification
contributes to its low numbers of identified foreign-born
inmates. -- from Here

California Department of Correction (CDC) 121,493 -- from here

18,000 / 121,493 = 0.1487 =~ 15%

 

[Red Dawn]

<< So you think of yourself as superior to members of this forum and insulting them makes you just feel even more superior. But you seek more, are you not secure with your idea of superiority? >>

Luke..Luke..Feel the Force Luke...

 

[calbear2000]

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<< So you expect everyone to believe statistics when you can't link a source? Sorry, I need facts based on evidence. Your credibilty is somewhat lost when you call people names and hurl playground insults instead of proving your "facts" with non-anecdotal proof.

You obviously researched it to be able to recite them partiotically... please provide a link. >>




LOL Man you read like a book.

So if there is no link they aren't proof huh.

do you know have a web browser or a phone? I gave you specific places where you could find the information.

If yo are too lazy to do the research yourself thats not my fault >>




LOL. You read like a book too... you're expecting us all to believe your anecdotal "facts" when you can't even provide a link to your source. LOL

Yeah the uhh... SF Chronicle says the average IQ in Texas is 20 points lower than the national average. Yep, read it in the Chronicle last Monday. Don't tell me you're too lazy to do your own research

And tex, remember the whole Dessertcart episode where you started calling family members in the middle of the night to win an argument online? Well, see, I have a life LOL

 

[UltraQuiet]

<< Frankly, I needn't be so hostile to feel superior, it just makes feeling superior that much more entertaining. >>


LOL. That is going in my sig. For a while anyway.

 

[b0mbrman]

<< And tex, remember the whole Dessertcart episode where you started calling family members in the middle of the night to win an argument online? Well, see, I have a life LOL >>


Heh heh

Seeing that's always been one of my favorite things in internet debate...

Guy 1 X is true
Guy 2 X is false!
Guy 1 X is true because of A, B, C, and D
Guy 2 Uh...uh...you're right but you don't have a life!

 

[Red Dawn]

<< And tex, remember the whole Dessertcart episode where you started calling family members in the middle of the night to win an argument online? >>

Hey Tex didn't know that he was being baited and made fun of.. Of course he was about the only one who didn't know.

 

[calbear2000]

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<< And tex, remember the whole Dessertcart episode where you started calling family members in the middle of the night to win an argument online? Well, see, I have a life LOL >>


Heh heh

Seeing that's always been one of my favorite things in internet debate...

Guy 1 X is true
Guy 2 X is false!
Guy 1 X is true because of A, B, C, and D
Guy 2 Uh...uh...you're right but you don't have a life! >>



Hey Cal CS reject
Nice of you to take my quote out of context... have respect for your alumni donors

I admit that was a low blow, but I just wanted it known that I refuse to be baited into spending time making long distance phone calls to prove a point in a silly internet argument.

 

[Fausto]

<< LOL Funny how I'm not involved in any in California yet I knew FAR more about the speicifics than you did.

I guess being a part of "organizations" isn't all its cracked up to be is it? HAHAHAHA >>



Damn, you are just astounding sometimes. Did you not read the rest of what I said? I'll repost it for you

<< You may have noticed that each of the organizations I'm involved in are native to GA or Atlanta. That's why I'm involved in them....they directly affect me and my family. You on the other hand, waste volumes of breath and bile on things like Berkeley that have almost zero bearing on you and yours. I was so keen to hear of your political involvement for precisely this reason. >>


Now what am I trying to say here? Let's ponder this for a moment, shall we? It looks like I'm saying that your obsession with Berkeley borders on absurd. You post like there's no tomorrow whenever someone brings up the subject. And yet you are not involve in the political process in your home state beyond scribbling out a check once in a while. That's just sad. If you are really as committed as you purport to be here in the vast realms on ATOT, you would do something about it....and yet you don't. You just hide behind your keyboard and take potshots at Berkeley and then act like your "vast" knowledge of the events there are meaningful. My point, as succinctly as I can put it, is that you should devote all this energy to bettering your home state and actively supporting the candidates you believe in. Texas is just as f*cked up as GA is....that's why most of my energies outside of work go to making GA a better place. Try it sometime instead of just tilting at windmills here in ATOT.

Fausto

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Whereas an engineer or someone on the right would analyze the situation thinking the money would be more important..the 2000 dollars would go alot farther than a week of my time doing menial labor...not to mention I can write it off on my taxes...

In most homeless shelters/soup kitchens the patrons provide a significant amount of the labor. But where do you think the medical, legal, and social services assistance comes from? Why disparage people who dedicate their time by implying that your money provides more value? Have you stopped to think that maybe some people give time and money? You can give the beggar a dollar for a beer, two dollars for a sandwich, or go buy him a sandwich and tell him where the homeless shelter is and how to get assistance . . .

Only in Berkeley..maybe Chapel Hill would she be reelected...

Hey now, she wouldn't be re-elected . . . we would try to get her into the Senate to replace Jesse . . . or Edwards . . . damn lawyer.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

It was in the Dallas Morning news last week. The Hospital is Parkland Hospital in Dallas. Feel free to call them.

Here's the problem with the stats. Private hospitals deny no insurance (aliens, working poor) and poor insurance (Medicaid, working poor, Tricare) all the time. So patients get funneled into the public facilities. Even at public hospitals the licensed OBs take care of their private patients at delivery while the house staff (residents) often take care of Medicaid and indigent. So it really matters how you compile the numbers. If the reference is for all deliveries then 85% is outrageous . . . the system can't support it. If it's a subset then odds are someone used figures to match an ideological viewpoint, outrage the public, etc.

 

[Moonbeam]

Optimus, I have ho idea how you were able to wring the following interpretation from my post:

<<3) I resent Moonbeam's labelling everyone who agrees with the military actions in Afganistan as "nazis".>>

All I did was replace the words Americans with Germans and Congresspersons with Nazis in the following Texmaster provided letter of protest:

Then there is you. Your act shows that you cannot be one of us. Your act shows that you think so little of us and hold your own ideals and intellect above that of the Americans you represent, above your fellow Congresspersons, above our leaders, their advisors, clerics, and experts.

My purpose had nothing to do with equating our military actions in Afghanistan with Nazis. I simply wanted to show that the interpretation you put on an identical idea depends on your orientation, the way you react internally to the objects used to present the idea.

What from one point of view is scathing criticism, can, with a simple substitution of words, become the highest praise.

Put very simply, when somebody goes against the tide of popular opinion for the sake of truth, they are heroic, but when somebody goes against what is good, they are excoriated. In either case one will be excoriated by the majority, the truth will always depend of the objectivity of ones stand. All the screaming and yelling in this thread is from people who already think they know. They have that in common with the Germans of WW11 vintage. As in all these instances, history, which, in this instant, is still being written, will make a more definitive judgment.

Like the Germans who were fools not to hear the descent of their time, those who dismiss the critic now are no less fools. One can only do the best one can. We take our stands. But to be so sure as never to be able to entertain doubt or question ones vision, to attack and deride anything or anybody who thinks they see something different is exactly the symptom of the fanatic and the reason we debate and challenge ideas as our democratic duty.

 

[PistachioByAzul]

The paper was a racist issue

No, it wasn't. It was an ad about why reperations for slavery are wrong.

Most of the allegations about Berkeley are true. Barbara Lee is just standing on a pedestal, but she's no different from any other politician in that they're all inherently full of it. That having been said, if you haven't lived here you can't understand the mindset.

In the dictionary under "liberal" it says "broad-minded". I'm not sure I understand what's wrong with being broad-minded, some of you seem to categorize people as liberal like it were a bad thing. The point being, this vocal majority of feel-gooders in Berkeley aren't liberal at all, they're conservative, bent on mainting and furthering the status quo of ultra-political correctness. So in the end Texmaster, they're a lot more like you than you wish to believe, they're filled with venom, self-loathing, they focus the negative energy outward as righteous indignation and blame blame blame everyone else to alleviate their pain.

 

[duke]

HAHA....a certain someone from Dallas, TX got OWNED.

 

[thebestMAX]

Anybody see "6 feet Under" this week where Brenda tries to go back to school??

Typical Liberal thinking as long as you agreed.

 

[Nitemare]

<< HAHA....a certain someone from Dallas, TX got OWNED. >>



Not by you they didn't...

Left wing

radical-adj 1: (used of opinions and actions) far beyond the norm; "extremist political views"; "radical
opinions on education"; "an ultra conservative" [syn: extremist, ultra] 2: markedly new or
introducing radical change; "a revolutionary discovery"; "radical political views" [syn:
revolutionary]

So a leftwinger is also known as a liberal and a radical. Someone who's views are extremist and FAR beyond the norm; One who wishes to cause radical change and a revolution

It's not broke so we don't need another revolution, you could also look at it as a fly in a bowl of soup, a leaf landing in the middle of freshly porn cement, or the free radicals roaming inside your body that can cause abnormalities as well as cancer if left to roam free and causing carnage.