Well there you have it: Assault weapons ban

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

Don't be so serious, it was a joke. Personally I wouldn't aim for the leg, nor would I aim for the heart or the head. I'd aim in the center of the mass and pull the trigger till he dropped.

I guess I could be a Dem, Rep, or a red neck!! Just depends on how it works out.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

1) Be sincere, aim center mass, and shoot two well-aimed shots in his chest (add more if he continues to come toward you).
2) Ensure your family and everyone in the area is OK.
3) Keep your weapon trained on him from 6 to 10 ft away.
4) Call 911 to report the attack.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: ayabe
What's cool about using assault rifles for home defense is that they're awesome in confined spaces with the added bonus of shooting your kids through the walls when your unloading your full auto at the perp with the dragonskin body armor who needs to steal your TV for crack.

1. "Assault rifle," using the Assault Weapons Ban definitions, does not equate to "full auto." The AWB banned weapons based mostly on their looks, not their function. Fully automatic weapons cost tens of thousands of dollars, require extensive FBI background checks, extended waiting periods, and payment of a $200 tax fee for each controlled part of the weapon. (Shorter barrels, sound suppressors, automatic sear pins, etc).

2. Wall penetration does not have much to do with a weapon's rate of fire. Any gun could penetrate normal walls if it is loaded with the right ammunition.

Ignorance abounds...

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
well, as long as these weapons were used/mis-used on the street to kill innocent, I'm okay with having them...

then again, I would feel safer having them banned... but I don't see what the big deal is... why is this a 12 page thread?

Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

How about this scenario, actually based on true events in a thread at DU.

Are you screwed w/o a gun?

You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and a toddler in stroller.

Suddenly, a dog, Rotweiller grabs hold of your baby and starts shaking her about.

Call 911? You don't have 5 minutes

Beat the dog? They feel nothing in attack mode

I think you have a catastrophe on your hands, Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck.

I always carry a pocket knife, even a Rotwieller should "feel" that.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: fornax
Don't forget to look under the bed every night. There could be a Marxist hiding there

Originally posted by: chucky2

Why do I need armor piercing bullets? Because when someone's busting through my door wearing a vest, I don't want them coming inside.

Don't invade my house, and you won't need a bullet proof vest.

What's the problem?

Chuck

Vests are $300 on eBay, or free stolen. When it comes to my safety over someone invading my home, I'll take my safety, Thanks.

Chuck

Are you really that scared that someone will come storming into your home?

I guess I just don't get it. I don't live my life in fear of these things.

Next time you're up in the Chicago area, let me know. I'll take you out at night to the lovely towns of Harvey, Robbins, Englewood, South Chicago Heights, etc. and you can hang out there for a while, kickin' it with the locals. You don't have to worry though right? I mean, if anything bad happens, the police will be right there when it happens to protect you. Heck, they'll be there before it happens. So no worries!

The point is no one needs to be restricting my purchasing decisions. No one. Unless it's something so insane, like a RPG, surface to air missle, etc., they can butt the F out. This is akin to telling gays they can't sleep together because the Gov. doesn't want them to. Who's F'ing business is it of the Gov. to directly interfere in our lives like that?

Chuck

P.S. For your little night out on the town, please make sure your medical coverage is all up to date. Thanks.

Do you live there?

No, thank god. I live close enough though that I don't need someone who has Secret Service protection telling me what I can and can't protect myself with though. And, what about the law abiding people who do live there? WTF are they supposed to do?

What does the fact that rough areas of town exist have to do with your personal safety?

You cannot seriously be this dense. Seriously.

Grow a pair already.

Nice. I'm sure you'll be growing a pair (of turds in your pants seat) when someone's kicking down your back door, you - maybe call the police, maybe not - and then they're F'ing you and/or your family up. It's cool though right? You just ask the criminal(s) real nicely: Please Criminal(s), leave my house. Please Criminal(s), don't stick it in my wife and kids. Please Crinimal(s), don't take all the stuff I busted my *ss for.

Yeah...they'll listen, they're real stand up law abiding citizens.

Chuck

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

Pistol grip, high capacity magazine, high velocity bullet, oh and it's black.

You're right though, no difference from a "hunting rifle". But it looks mean. People think it means selective or automatic fire - but those are extremely expensive and hard to find.

Yep, both can be semi-automatic, both can use the same caliber ammunition, both can have scopes, both can use magazines and both can kill a deer, the only difference is the look.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: palehorse
never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

Has this ever happened?

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse
never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

Has this ever happened?

Yes. That's why people say, Wait until they're in the house, facing you....and then pop them. Dead men tell no tales.

Chuck

 

[AAjax]

Originally posted by: ayabe

Originally posted by: AAjax

Originally posted by: ayabe
What's cool about using assault rifles for home defense is that they're awesome in confined spaces with the added bonus of shooting your kids through the walls when your unloading your full auto at the perp with the dragonskin body armor who needs to steal your TV for crack.

So, what dose this have to do with full auto guns genius? Do you even know what type of gun this legislation would effect? Or are you just ignorantly rambling on.....

Got one!! Reelin' her in....it's a big one!

Ah, so your just trolling for fun.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse
never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

Has this ever happened?

That doesn't even matter. Always shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all. The chances of a miss and the bullet hitting an innocent bystander are exponential if/when someone is dumb enough to aim for a limb.

Unless, of course, your name is Billy the Kid.

Is that you Billy?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

I always carry a pocket knife, even a Rotwieller should "feel" that.

Pain threshold those animals have is giganormous.....But really thats not the point I was trying to make - many elderly, women or small men for that matter cant physically defend all sorts of attackers out there. Unpredictable scenarios no matter if you live in the best or worst areas. The firearm is the great equalizer and I don't think it's right to take away the right to defend ones self and loved ones.

 

[nullzero]

Originally posted by: ayabe
What's cool about using assault rifles for home defense is that they're awesome in confined spaces with the added bonus of shooting your kids through the walls when your unloading your full auto at the perp with the dragonskin body armor who needs to steal your TV for crack.

.223 round has less penetrating power indoors then most handgun rounds. This round is used in the majority of AR-15s.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk

Originally posted by: palehorse
never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

Has this ever happened?

That doesn't even matter. Always shoot to kill, or don't shoot at all. The chances of a miss and the bullet hitting an innocent bystander are exponential if/when someone is dumb enough to aim for a limb.

Unless, of course, your name is Billy the Kid.

Is that you Billy?

I'm paranoid and want to clarify.. I don't in anyway disagree with ones right to self defense with lethal force. I'm just curious if any burgler/mugger has successfully sued a homeowner for wounding them during the commission of a felony.

Has that ever happened? I recall the guy who sued for falling through a skylight or some shit like that, but that's not really the same as intentionally shooting someone in the leg or whatever.

I say because it just doesn't sound plausible... like something that would only happen in an onion news article.


edit: If anyone is keeping score, I'm against the assault weapons ban because it's never made any sense to me.. a gun is a gun.. you can assault someone with a pistol just as easily as you can with whatever qualifies as "assault"

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

Don't be so serious, it was a joke. Personally I wouldn't aim for the leg, nor would I aim for the heart or the head. I'd aim in the center of the mass and pull the trigger till he dropped.

I guess I could be a Dem, Rep, or a red neck!! Just depends on how it works out.

whew.. for a min there I thought you were seriously

but seriously I would shoot the leg...maybe a couple more to make him permeanantly disabled... I guess I'm a red neck!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: aphex
Are you really that scared that someone will come storming into your home?

I guess I just don't get it. I don't live my life in fear of these things.

I always enjoy hearing about people like you getting robbed, or worse, and then watching you change your minds on the concept of self-defense... it makes me lawl.

I'm sick, I know... moonbeam said it's because I hate myself. :laugh:

So that's a yes. You're scared of getting robbed or worse. You can just answer the question instead of dancing around it.

JHC haven't we gone over this a thousand times on this board?

1. Do you go around insulting people that have fire extinguishers and call them scared? What about people there wear their seatbelts?

2. Home invasions, robberies, murders, etc... happen every day in this country, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be prepared to protect yourself and your family. Of course there are a few gun nuts out there, but some of you people go out of your way to label everyone in favor of gun rights as nut cases.

3. How many people are actually killed by "assault weapons" every year? It would really be nice if you anti gun zealots actually brought some facts to the discussion.

This is such a tired argument, leave people and their guns alone. People legally owning firearms are not the problem in this country.

Hey I can play this game too!

1. How many people needed an assault weapon to defend themselves against some threat?

2. What are the statistical odds of being the victim of a violent crime?

3. Should I be allowed to own and use a flamethrower? Put mines in my front yard?

S&M

Flame throwers and mines are legal to own. As are bombs and grenades. People are very uninformed.

How often do you hear of such things being used in a crime?

Dewd if I can walk around with a flamethrower I'm totally donating to the NRA.

I mean whos gonna mess with a guy carrying a flamethrower.

Might be hard to get on public transit with one though.

Oh well.

S&M

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

Don't be so serious, it was a joke. Personally I wouldn't aim for the leg, nor would I aim for the heart or the head. I'd aim in the center of the mass and pull the trigger till he dropped.

I guess I could be a Dem, Rep, or a red neck!! Just depends on how it works out.

whew.. for a min there I thought you were seriously

but seriously I would shoot the leg...maybe a couple more to make him permeanantly disabled... I guess I'm a red neck!

You are in for a world of hurt if you do. Do you know how many judgements for medical bills have been awarded? Shoot and shoot to kill.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

1) Be sincere, aim center mass, and shoot two well-aimed shots in his chest (add more if he continues to come toward you).
2) Ensure your family and everyone in the area is OK.
3) Keep your weapon trained on him from 6 to 10 ft away.
4) Call 911 to report the attack.

So, you need more than a handgun for this?

I can't imagine a legitimate need for a weapon in excess of a handgun's power for self defense.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: aphex
Are you really that scared that someone will come storming into your home?

I guess I just don't get it. I don't live my life in fear of these things.

I always enjoy hearing about people like you getting robbed, or worse, and then watching you change your minds on the concept of self-defense... it makes me lawl.

I'm sick, I know... moonbeam said it's because I hate myself. :laugh:

So that's a yes. You're scared of getting robbed or worse. You can just answer the question instead of dancing around it.

JHC haven't we gone over this a thousand times on this board?

1. Do you go around insulting people that have fire extinguishers and call them scared? What about people there wear their seatbelts?

2. Home invasions, robberies, murders, etc... happen every day in this country, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be prepared to protect yourself and your family. Of course there are a few gun nuts out there, but some of you people go out of your way to label everyone in favor of gun rights as nut cases.

3. How many people are actually killed by "assault weapons" every year? It would really be nice if you anti gun zealots actually brought some facts to the discussion.

This is such a tired argument, leave people and their guns alone. People legally owning firearms are not the problem in this country.

Hey I can play this game too!

1. How many people needed an assault weapon to defend themselves against some threat?

2. What are the statistical odds of being the victim of a violent crime?

3. Should I be allowed to own and use a flamethrower? Put mines in my front yard?

S&M

Flame throwers and mines are legal to own. As are bombs and grenades. People are very uninformed.

How often do you hear of such things being used in a crime?

Dewd if I can walk around with a flamethrower I'm totally donating to the NRA.

I mean whos gonna mess with a guy carrying a flamethrower.

Might be hard to get on public transit with one though.

Oh well.

S&M

Flamethrowers aren't even classified as weapons.

Doesn't mean you won't get charged for it though. Even if they are unable to get the conviction they want, they'll just get you for making threats, causing disorder, etc.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

1) Be sincere, aim center mass, and shoot two well-aimed shots in his chest (add more if he continues to come toward you).
2) Ensure your family and everyone in the area is OK.
3) Keep your weapon trained on him from 6 to 10 ft away.
4) Call 911 to report the attack.

So, you need more than a handgun for this?

I can't imagine a legitimate need for a weapon in excess of a handgun's power for self defense.

Handgun cartridges are very ineffective at incapacitating targets quickly. Don't watch so many movies.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
You are in for a world of hurt if you do. Do you know how many judgements for medical bills have been awarded? Shoot and shoot to kill.

yes sir... damn those blood sucking lawyers...

 

[Generator]

You don't shit where you eat. Yeah its Mexico and those mexican people live there. But for quite a few states in this country is Mexico not in their backyard? Who do you think sold those mexican druglords their weapons? Your brother did. I don't think most people are really up for this kind of escalation. I think we all can agree that we as Americans are war/death profiteers. That is our nature, be proud of it. But its alright to admit that having to buy and maintain 5 assault weapons is kind of ridiculous. This ban would do admitting for you.

 

[Jack Flash]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

1) Be sincere, aim center mass, and shoot two well-aimed shots in his chest (add more if he continues to come toward you).
2) Ensure your family and everyone in the area is OK.
3) Keep your weapon trained on him from 6 to 10 ft away.
4) Call 911 to report the attack.

So, you need more than a handgun for this?

I can't imagine a legitimate need for a weapon in excess of a handgun's power for self defense.

Handgun cartridges are very ineffective at incapacitating targets quickly. Don't watch so many movies.

This is ridiculous.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose

Originally posted by: Genx87
Assault weapons dont account for the majority of gun crimes in this country. I think it is a pretty small %. So lets ban a gun that is rarely used in a crime? More failed logic.

Yep, if they really wanted to make a difference, they should ban handguns...

The vast majority of murders and robberies involving guns-involve handguns. Which type of gun is easily concealable? Handguns. You see a guy coming with an assault weapon, I think you will leave the area.

I am probably as liberal as anyone posting here, and I am against an assault weapons ban.
Not because I have any desire to own one or anything, it's just a matter of efficiency.
Banning assault weapons does not affect gun crime in the slightest.

Banning handguns, however, would have a huge affect on murder, robberies, etc..
I doubt there is support for a handgun ban, but it would be far more effective in reducing crime than banning assault weapons.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Are you a Democrat, a Republican, or a Redneck?

Here is a little test that will help you decide.

The answer can be found by posing the following question:

I suppose I'm right there in between demo and repub.

I shoot him in the leg, then call 911.

isn't that what most sane people would do in this country.. anymore?

never... EVER... aim to wound.

He'd probably sue you for every penny you ever have, and some far-left judge would probably give it to him.

1) Be sincere, aim center mass, and shoot two well-aimed shots in his chest (add more if he continues to come toward you).
2) Ensure your family and everyone in the area is OK.
3) Keep your weapon trained on him from 6 to 10 ft away.
4) Call 911 to report the attack.

So, you need more than a handgun for this?

I can't imagine a legitimate need for a weapon in excess of a handgun's power for self defense.

Handgun cartridges are very ineffective at incapacitating targets quickly. Don't watch so many movies.

It's actually very ironic that this is related to Mexico trafficking. The very first thought I had about wanting to own an assault rifle involves perhaps somehow I looked at a gang member wrong so they decide to come to my house and rough me up. With an assault rifle I think the Mexicans* would be much less likely to consider such a thing.


*80% of the crime committed in the populated areas of the southwest is committed by gangs made up of illegal Mexican immigrants-- and yes, I know you think that 97% of statistics are made up, but this one (the Mexicans one) is not. Go look it up.

 

[jpeyton]

Look at all the e-badasses come out of the woodwork.

"SHOOT'EM DEAD!"

"POP TWO IN THE CHEST!"

Then we have the doom-and-gloomers predicting Obama is going to storm into your homes, take your M16s and enslave your women. Although I'm betting more than half of these types are actually gun store owners drumming up business, getting people to hoard assault rifles and ammo like it's Y2K.