Well there you have it: Assault weapons ban

[MooseNSquirrel]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: aphex
Are you really that scared that someone will come storming into your home?

I guess I just don't get it. I don't live my life in fear of these things.

I always enjoy hearing about people like you getting robbed, or worse, and then watching you change your minds on the concept of self-defense... it makes me lawl.

I'm sick, I know... moonbeam said it's because I hate myself. :laugh:

So that's a yes. You're scared of getting robbed or worse. You can just answer the question instead of dancing around it.

JHC haven't we gone over this a thousand times on this board?

1. Do you go around insulting people that have fire extinguishers and call them scared? What about people there wear their seatbelts?

2. Home invasions, robberies, murders, etc... happen every day in this country, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be prepared to protect yourself and your family. Of course there are a few gun nuts out there, but some of you people go out of your way to label everyone in favor of gun rights as nut cases.

3. How many people are actually killed by "assault weapons" every year? It would really be nice if you anti gun zealots actually brought some facts to the discussion.

This is such a tired argument, leave people and their guns alone. People legally owning firearms are not the problem in this country.

Hey I can play this game too!

1. How many people needed an assault weapon to defend themselves against some threat?

2. What are the statistical odds of being the victim of a violent crime?

3. Should I be allowed to own and use a flamethrower? Put mines in my front yard?

S&M

 

[Baltazar325]

I've always considered an "assault rifle" anything that has a selectable rate of fire. So, anything else is just a semi automatic rifle. Functionally no different than anyother semi-auto rifle. The ones they want to ban just look "mean." I've got an AK with a drum and I love shooting it. I also own many other bolt action rifles (mosins, enfields) that could be used to do lots of damage with. I'm a law abiding citizen however and choose to only target shoot with them.

This is nothing more than posturing on the part of the administration to appease parts of the far left that despise guns.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Originally posted by: MooseNSquirrel

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: bigdog1218

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: aphex
Are you really that scared that someone will come storming into your home?

I guess I just don't get it. I don't live my life in fear of these things.

I always enjoy hearing about people like you getting robbed, or worse, and then watching you change your minds on the concept of self-defense... it makes me lawl.

I'm sick, I know... moonbeam said it's because I hate myself. :laugh:

So that's a yes. You're scared of getting robbed or worse. You can just answer the question instead of dancing around it.

JHC haven't we gone over this a thousand times on this board?

1. Do you go around insulting people that have fire extinguishers and call them scared? What about people there wear their seatbelts?

2. Home invasions, robberies, murders, etc... happen every day in this country, there is nothing wrong with wanting to be prepared to protect yourself and your family. Of course there are a few gun nuts out there, but some of you people go out of your way to label everyone in favor of gun rights as nut cases.

3. How many people are actually killed by "assault weapons" every year? It would really be nice if you anti gun zealots actually brought some facts to the discussion.

This is such a tired argument, leave people and their guns alone. People legally owning firearms are not the problem in this country.

Hey I can play this game too!

1. How many people needed an assault weapon to defend themselves against some threat?

2. What are the statistical odds of being the victim of a violent crime?

3. Should I be allowed to own and use a flamethrower? Put mines in my front yard?

S&M

Flame throwers and mines are legal to own. As are bombs and grenades. People are very uninformed.

How often do you hear of such things being used in a crime?

 

[Muse]

Good thing you're stocked up. You never know when that AK47 will come in handy.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Please see my challenge above and start by explaining your personal understanding of what qualifies as an "assault rifle." How is one different than a "hunting rifle"?

 

[spidey07]

I told you this was coming. I already stocked up on high capacity magazines, ammo, uppers, bolt carrier groups, etc. It will be political suicide for any congressman that votes for this.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

I don't get the fanaticism revoloving around taking them away from law abiding citizens. They have enough laws on the books already, enforce them.... and let Mexico handle their own boader issues because they sure don't care about our border issues with them.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Farang
great, I hope this time they make it more practical than the last and not have so many technicalities. It is a smart measure but must be implemented better or else it is just restricting rights and not accomplishing anything

You and everyone else that thinks gun bans do any good are God Damn idiots.
Look at the facts, the Clinton gun ban did absolutely nothing to deter crime. Criminals by definition do not follow the laws, thus a Ban will not effect them.

These types of bans are nothing more than population control and attempts to solidify power.
Obama and company can officially kiss my ass. (along with anyone that supports gun bans)

 

[Muse]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski

Originally posted by: Farang
great, I hope this time they make it more practical than the last and not have so many technicalities. It is a smart measure but must be implemented better or else it is just restricting rights and not accomplishing anything

You and everyone else that thinks gun bans do any good are God Damn idiots.
Look at the facts, the Clinton gun ban did absolutely nothing to deter crime. Criminals by definition do not follow the laws, thus a Ban will not effect them.

These types of bans are nothing more than population control and attempts to solidify power.
Obama and company can officially kiss my ass. (along with anyone that supports gun bans)

I'd rather officially call your ass stupid.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
You sure or do you think? It could have easily arrived in a cargo container from overseas bought and paid for by a cartel.

Johnny Whackjob has the money to buy an assault rifle from a Cartel to shoot up a School Yard?

If you're going to make a case against "assault weapons", then make it. Bring some facts, statistics, anything. If you're not going to bring any facts to back up your position, what's the point?

Hey if I lived in a rural area I'd love to have an assault rifle because they are cool to shoot but for home defense, a pistol would more than suffice. The problem with allowing assault rifles is that it would flood the market with them allowing criminals easier access to them than if it was cost prohibitive like having to buy imported illegal Assault Rifles from some criminal org..

The "reason" given is because they are ending up in Mexico. Banning assault rifles in the US won't stop the cartels from getting the weapons they want. It will just allow the Mexican government to control who it that is allowed to smuggle drugs, people, etc into our country.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: OrByte
Owning guns isn't a big deal. Everyone should be able to. Eventually even I will want to own a gun.

But imho some guns (or should I say weapons) just shouldn't be in the hands of private individuals. Can't we all agree on at least that much?

Where we draw the line is anyone's guess. But this isn't some issue where opposing sides should just draw up false choices...common sense should prevail. Gun ownership rights isn't the problem, the TYPE of guns that should be available to private ownership is.

I am sorry if the opinion above isn't filled with vitrol or anger/frustration...gun rights just doesn't get it up for me. shrug.

The more dangerous and "scary" guns that I'm assuming that you're referring to are just not used in crimes, especially by law abiding people. So why do you want to keep these guns out of the hands of private individuals? I just don't get it, why are people so afraid of someone owning a weapon that will most likely never be used to harm them?

It is an interesting question. Assault weapons dont account for the majority of gun crimes in this country. I think it is a pretty small %. So lets ban a gun that is rarely used in a crime? More failed logic.

It's something like less than 1% of 1% of gun crimes involve legal owned and obtained weapons that would be affected by the ban.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Putting governors that limited all cars to 55 mph would save a lot more lives then any AWB. Why do you need to drive faster?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

Change the assault to the 1st amendment and tell us your opinion on that. It is only speech right? Well guns are a primary defense against the tyranny of govt and defense against criminals. Without the gun you can toss out the rest of your rights.

Right, because we constantly take up arms against the government. That didn't work out so well in 1863...

You're naive if you don't think millions of armed citizens can pose a significant threat. All it really takes is one in the right place at the right time.

 

[chucky2]

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: chucky2

Originally posted by: fornax
Don't forget to look under the bed every night. There could be a Marxist hiding there

Originally posted by: chucky2

Why do I need armor piercing bullets? Because when someone's busting through my door wearing a vest, I don't want them coming inside.

Don't invade my house, and you won't need a bullet proof vest.

What's the problem?

Chuck

Vests are $300 on eBay, or free stolen. When it comes to my safety over someone invading my home, I'll take my safety, Thanks.

Chuck

Are you really that scared that someone will come storming into your home?

I guess I just don't get it. I don't live my life in fear of these things.

Next time you're up in the Chicago area, let me know. I'll take you out at night to the lovely towns of Harvey, Robbins, Englewood, South Chicago Heights, etc. and you can hang out there for a while, kickin' it with the locals. You don't have to worry though right? I mean, if anything bad happens, the police will be right there when it happens to protect you. Heck, they'll be there before it happens. So no worries!

The point is no one needs to be restricting my purchasing decisions. No one. Unless it's something so insane, like a RPG, surface to air missle, etc., they can butt the F out. This is akin to telling gays they can't sleep together because the Gov. doesn't want them to. Who's F'ing business is it of the Gov. to directly interfere in our lives like that?

Chuck

P.S. For your little night out on the town, please make sure your medical coverage is all up to date. Thanks.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Putting governors that limited all cars to 55 mph would save a lot more lives then any AWB. Why do you need to drive faster?

We make these retarded laws because we, as a nation, like to make laws related to existing problems and never actually address the real problem.

Putting governors on cars might limit people's speed, but it won't fix the problem of incompetent drivers or reckless drivers.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Genx87
You sure or do you think? It could have easily arrived in a cargo container from overseas bought and paid for by a cartel.

Johnny Whackjob has the money to buy an assault rifle from a Cartel to shoot up a School Yard?

If you're going to make a case against "assault weapons", then make it. Bring some facts, statistics, anything. If you're not going to bring any facts to back up your position, what's the point?

Hey if I lived in a rural area I'd love to have an assault rifle because they are cool to shoot but for home defense, a pistol would more than suffice. The problem with allowing assault rifles is that it would flood the market with them allowing criminals easier access to them than if it was cost prohibitive like having to buy imported illegal Assault Rifles from some criminal org..

The "reason" given is because they are ending up in Mexico. Banning assault rifles in the US won't stop the cartels from getting the weapons they want. It will just allow the Mexican government to control who it that is allowed to smuggle drugs, people, etc into our country.

It is a total BS reason and the anti people gooble it up like candy. Oh those poor Mexicans. This dipshit in Office is going to destroy our nation. $2 trillion dollar deficit spending and banning things that actually sell and help the economy.
Obama and every person he has picked is an idiot as are the majority of the persons in Congress. I'll be very suprised if the United States exists by the 4th of July.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
I still don't understand the need for assault rifles.

I think handguns are fine. Hunting rifles... okay. But what's the need for a semi/automatic rifle?

Putting governors that limited all cars to 55 mph would save a lot more lives then any AWB. Why do you need to drive faster?

We make these retarded laws because we, as a nation, like to make laws related to existing problems and never actually address the real problem.

Putting governors on cars might limit people's speed, but it won't fix the problem of incompetent drivers or reckless drivers.

Yes, well banning AR-15's will save 0 lives. Putting in governors might save 2 or 3.

 

[palehorse]

I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

 

[Baltazar325]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

Sorry man. I think I might have defined it for them in my last post.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

Assault rifles are black and evil. :laugh:

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

That's easy, assault rifles "look cool". They can't have that.

Once all assault rifles are gone the Mexicans will still be fighting over the illegal routes into the US with rifles, handguns, etc. I guess we better ban those while we're at it or we're just wasting time and money.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

Pistol grip, high capacity magazine, high velocity bullet, oh and it's black.

You're right though, no difference from a "hunting rifle". But it looks mean. People think it means selective or automatic fire - but those are extremely expensive and hard to find.

 

[BrunoPuntzJones]

Interesting. Idaho has told them to GTFO.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the members of the First Regular Session of the Sixtieth Idaho Legislature, the House of Representatives and the Senate concurring therein, that members of the United States Congress cease and desist attempting to enact federal legislation impinging on the individual right of every American to keep and bear arms in any manner. Specifically, that members of Congress oppose the passage of the Firearm Licensing
and Record of Sale Act of 2009, and any similar legislation.

http://www.legislature.idaho.g...lation/2009/HJM003.pdf

 

[Fear No Evil]

Banning abortion would help save a lot more lives..

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Baltazar325

Originally posted by: palehorse
I'm still waiting for any one of the gun grabbers here to define the term "assault rifle," and then describe how one is different than a "hunting rifle."

/crickets

Sorry man. I think I might have defined it for them in my last post.

No, that's fine. I saw your post, and it's a great place to start. After all, your perception of what makes an "assault rifle" does not at all match what the gun-grabbing legislators use as their definition, which was pretty much my entire point. You base your definition on rate-of-fire, which actually makes sense. The Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), on the other hand, was based on the look of certain weapons, not their rate of fire. The AWB from 1994 to 2004 banned the use of flash suppressors, pistol grips, bayonet lugs, and "high capacity" magazines.

Well... a trained monkey could change out lower-capacity magazines in less than 10 seconds, when was the last time someone was killed with a bayonet, and how exactly does a different style of grip qualify as more dangerous!? And, it's not like the AR flash suppressors make the damn things invisible at night... so WTF?

In other words, there is really no functional difference between a .308 "Hunting Rifle" and a .308 "Assault Rifle," beyond the way they look -- which is a terrible basis for legislation.

The real root of the problem lies in the misconceptions and misunderstanding of the term "Assault Rifle." Everybody seems to have their own definition, and 99% of the time, their definitions don't even come close to matching the definition used by the gun-grabbers with the AWB legislation.

EDIT: Most assume that the AWB goes after "automatic machine guns," or some variant thereof. When, in reality, it bans other items that make no sense at all. As it stands, "automatic weapons" are already price-prohibitive for most criminals. Don't believe me? Go shopping for a drop-in auto sear... second, purchasing one requires several more hoops and forms of registration -- including an additional tax on every individual controlled item. ie. every short barrel, every sound suppressor, and every auto sear requires its own registration process and its own tax fee. A single automatic rifle can literally contain three or more forms of registration, several months of waiting of approval, and thousands in fees.