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JD50

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Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
Like the Habeas Corpus right you republicans took away on November 13th 2001?

wat
 

Jaskalas

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Jun 23, 2004
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Originally posted by: ericlp
yeah and lets hope your brother goes to jail for possession of illegal weapons when they pass the ban. Tell me again why you need cop killer bullets and assault rifles? Oh yeah probably because your a religious freak that belongs to a terrorist organization? Yeah...yeah... that's right...

I'm sure the British had such vitriol and hatred for our founding fathers as well. Difference being that the British had the law on their side, you don't.
 

Genx87

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Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

Yeah and so what? I have heard of knives being used far more. Should we start banning those as well? Why does the left always have to appeal to emotion when curtailing this right? Because they cant come up with a factual argument for why they want to take guns away from law abiding citizens?

 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?
I dunno, do you?

 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?
I dunno, do you?

If you dont know then what basis do you have for taking away the rights of citizens? An analogy would be locking up all American Muslims post 9-11. We dont know if they are terrorists or not, so lets toss them into camps right?
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?
I dunno, do you?

If you dont know then what basis do you have for taking away the rights of citizens?
Make them tougher for the Nutjobs to get


An analogy would be locking up all American Muslims post 9-11. We dont know if they are terrorists or not, so lets toss them into camps right?
No just make it illegal for Americans to own a Muslim.
 
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Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

Change the assault to the 1st amendment and tell us your opinion on that. It is only speech right? Well guns are a primary defense against the tyranny of govt and defense against criminals. Without the gun you can toss out the rest of your rights.
 

Red Dawn

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Jun 4, 2001
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

Change the assault to the 1st amendment and tell us your opinion on that. It is only speech right? Well guns are a primary defense against the tyranny of govt and defense against criminals. Without the gun you can toss out the rest of your rights.
Especially those real cool looking Assault Rifles. And what about a Street Sweeper, now that would keep the Huns at bay.

 

ayabe

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Aug 10, 2005
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

Change the assault to the 1st amendment and tell us your opinion on that. It is only speech right? Well guns are a primary defense against the tyranny of govt and defense against criminals. Without the gun you can toss out the rest of your rights.

If they want to get you, they're going to get you. No matter what kind of weapon you have.

Guns aren't going away, the 2nd amendment isn't going away, the rest of our rights are not evaporating.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

Change the assault to the 1st amendment and tell us your opinion on that. It is only speech right? Well guns are a primary defense against the tyranny of govt and defense against criminals. Without the gun you can toss out the rest of your rights.
Especially those real cool looking Assault Rifles. And what about a Street Sweeper, now that would keep the Huns at bay.

It doesnt matter what gun it is, taking it away lessens the freedom of the citizenry. I know the left has a history of not caring about that. However, I do.
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?
I dunno, do you?

No, I'm not the one trying to take guns away from people and using that as my reason. Don't you think it'd be a good idea to have that information before you start using it as a reason to take peoples guns away?
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: ayabe
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

Change the assault to the 1st amendment and tell us your opinion on that. It is only speech right? Well guns are a primary defense against the tyranny of govt and defense against criminals. Without the gun you can toss out the rest of your rights.

If they want to get you, they're going to get you. No matter what kind of weapon you have.

Guns aren't going away, the 2nd amendment isn't going away, the rest of our rights are not evaporating.

I need a better reason. When making a law curtailing the right of a citizen the govt and its underlings should provide a factual logical argument. Not that mexico is having crime issues thus we will yank our citizens rights to own a certain firearm away.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: nobodyknows
Originally posted by: Farang
lol.. they keep coming. more :cookie: for you, double :cookie: :cookie: for that most humorous post

LOL all you want. I've already emailed both my Senators and my Congressman. I've also emailed the article to ALL my friends who telling them to do the same. They will in turn email it to all their friends.

Tommorrow it's time to join the NRA again. I haven't been a member for years but it's time again.

He who laughs last laughs best and we shall see who that is.

Now troll on all you want and give all the cookies your little heart desires. That will really show me.... dumb ass.

This will prolly be my only post in this thread, but its funny about people...you and I disagree so intently in one thread and then agree 100% in this one :) Ive done the same as you. Gun deaths arent going down, and illegal immigration isnt going to go down either by passing this. Its simply a power grab pure and simple.
 

Triumph

Lifer
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?
I dunno, do you?

No, I'm not the one trying to take guns away from people and using that as my reason. Don't you think it'd be a good idea to have that information before you start using it as a reason to take peoples guns away?

That doesn't matter to Red Dawn, he'd rather belittle people with insults thinly veiled as arguments, to make himself feel better.
 

OrByte

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Owning guns isn't a big deal. Everyone should be able to. Eventually even I will want to own a gun.

But imho some guns (or should I say weapons) just shouldn't be in the hands of private individuals. Can't we all agree on at least that much?

Where we draw the line is anyone's guess. But this isn't some issue where opposing sides should just draw up false choices...common sense should prevail. Gun ownership rights isn't the problem, the TYPE of guns that should be available to private ownership is.

I am sorry if the opinion above isn't filled with vitrol or anger/frustration...gun rights just doesn't get it up for me. shrug.
 

JD50

Lifer
Sep 4, 2005
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Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti
Originally posted by: shocksyde
What is it with people and guns in this country? Yes, I know, it's a right.

I'm with you. I don't get it. It's like you're defending a body part. I just don't get the fanatacism revolving around guns.

What I don't get is people like you two, that get so confused by people being upset that they are having things taken from them and calling them fanatics, while completely ignoring the fanatacism of the anti gun zealots.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: BrunoPuntzJones
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
We can still have guns that'll blow the shit out of people, what's the problem? If I wanted to shoot my neighbor in the head and blow his brains out I can still get a gun that's capable of that legally and if it will do that to my neighbor it should be adequate enough to do that to a home invader.

Because nothing is ever, ever good enough for the left. While a slippery slope is not always gauranteed, with many issues the left takes up, it's a certainty that they will not stop. There are some on the left, some on this forum who would be willingly accomplises, to banning all guns out of the hands of citizens. Your kook fringe doesn't just want to ban assault rifles, they want to get rid of the 2nd ammendment.

So any patriotic American with any kind of love for the freedom Americans have enjoyed their whole lives need to stand up to Obama and tell him to shove his BS arguments and non-stop straw men somewhere that he constantly uses. He's working for the special interest groups on the left here nothing more and the end result as usual will be citizens more dependant and enslaved to the federal government. That's Anti-American to the nth degree.
So it should be legal for American's to possess Rocket Launchers, Stinger Missiles, Abrahms Tanks and fully functional F16's with the whole array of armament that available for it?

It's already legal. How often do you hear of incidents happening?
True, I've never heard of a Rocket Launcher being used on a School Yard. Can't say the same about an Assault Rifle.

In how many of those incidents were the "assault weapons" legally owned by the shooter?
I dunno, do you?

No, I'm not the one trying to take guns away from people and using that as my reason. Don't you think it'd be a good idea to have that information before you start using it as a reason to take peoples guns away?
If it wasn't owned legally by the shooter I'm sure it was from the person he stole it from.
 

Genx87

Lifer
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You sure or do you think? It could have easily arrived in a cargo container from overseas bought and paid for by a cartel.
 

JD50

Lifer
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Originally posted by: OrByte
Owning guns isn't a big deal. Everyone should be able to. Eventually even I will want to own a gun.

But imho some guns (or should I say weapons) just shouldn't be in the hands of private individuals. Can't we all agree on at least that much?

Where we draw the line is anyone's guess. But this isn't some issue where opposing sides should just draw up false choices...common sense should prevail. Gun ownership rights isn't the problem, the TYPE of guns that should be available to private ownership is.

I am sorry if the opinion above isn't filled with vitrol or anger/frustration...gun rights just doesn't get it up for me. shrug.

The more dangerous and "scary" guns that I'm assuming that you're referring to are just not used in crimes, especially by law abiding people. So why do you want to keep these guns out of the hands of private individuals? I just don't get it, why are people so afraid of someone owning a weapon that will most likely never be used to harm them?
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: OrByte
Owning guns isn't a big deal. Everyone should be able to. Eventually even I will want to own a gun.

But imho some guns (or should I say weapons) just shouldn't be in the hands of private individuals. Can't we all agree on at least that much?

Where we draw the line is anyone's guess. But this isn't some issue where opposing sides should just draw up false choices...common sense should prevail. Gun ownership rights isn't the problem, the TYPE of guns that should be available to private ownership is.

I am sorry if the opinion above isn't filled with vitrol or anger/frustration...gun rights just doesn't get it up for me. shrug.

The more dangerous and "scary" guns that I'm assuming that you're referring to are just not used in crimes, especially by law abiding people. So why do you want to keep these guns out of the hands of private individuals? I just don't get it, why are people so afraid of someone owning a weapon that will most likely never be used to harm them?

It is an interesting question. Assault weapons dont account for the majority of gun crimes in this country. I think it is a pretty small %. So lets ban a gun that is rarely used in a crime? More failed logic.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Genx87
You sure or do you think? It could have easily arrived in a cargo container from overseas bought and paid for by a cartel.

Johnny Whackjob has the money to buy an assault rifle from a Cartel to shoot up a School Yard?
 

Pliablemoose

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Assault weapons dont account for the majority of gun crimes in this country. I think it is a pretty small %. So lets ban a gun that is rarely used in a crime? More failed logic.

Yep, if they really wanted to make a difference, they should ban handguns...