Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
The kicker is, I don't even remotely NEED a Core2Duo system, but I still want one. Go Figure.
That's the true definition of a geek.
I could do most of day-to-day work on an old Athlon XP rig. But why?
That's the true definition of a geek.
I could do most of day-to-day work on an old Athlon XP rig. But why?
AyashiKaibutsu
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Or maybe... the people who don't complain don't complain with other releases and the people who bitch do so just as much when any product they're waiting for is just out of reach... making them the opposite of hypocrits... consistant maybe?
Why use 975X when RD600 completely owns 975X at stock and overclocked and it overclocks farther too?
Totally independant memory overclocking in 1fsb incrememnts to ddr1200, set the cpu to 349fsb and the ram to 436fsb if you like, unlike intel.
1T CMD, unlike intel which only give you 2T.
More features to include native PATA and DDR-3 support, unlike intel.
Nope I'm not going with intel overrated and overpriced chipsets. $275 for a mobo with crippled features and strap issues?
Gimme a break. AMD/ATI + Intel for me.
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OK, so how about a litle help for those folks that can't keep up with the rest of you. What are the AMD/ATI options you speak of that are available now?
Totally independant memory overclocking in 1fsb incrememnts to ddr1200, set the cpu to 349fsb and the ram to 436fsb if you like, unlike intel.
1T CMD, unlike intel which only give you 2T.
More features to include native PATA and DDR-3 support, unlike intel.
Nope I'm not going with intel overrated and overpriced chipsets. $275 for a mobo with crippled features and strap issues?
Gimme a break. AMD/ATI + Intel for me.
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OK, so how about a litle help for those folks that can't keep up with the rest of you. What are the AMD/ATI options you speak of that are available now?
n7
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Yeah RD600 looks very exciting, but ATi always lags behind on their products, & usually there ends up being very little selection.
I am definitely interested, but again, how long will we have to wait, & when the wait is over, will we even have any choices, or will it be just DFI or someone else releasing a mobo.
I am definitely interested, but again, how long will we have to wait, & when the wait is over, will we even have any choices, or will it be just DFI or someone else releasing a mobo.
QFT. And with ATi under AMD's helm now...
There's enough choices now, IMHO. Most people just whine about the cost. That's what you pay for being an early adopter.
That's of very little utility, considering that the multipliers on most of the Core 2 chips are extremely low, and even a "modest" overclock of ~3.5 GHz or more would require hitting >= 400 MHz on the FSB on nearly all of the chips (unless you spring for the E6700 or X6800).
That's sad if Intel really doesn't support 1T, but at the same time one of the articles showed that conroe isn't memory-bandwidth limited, so in practice it's actually kind of moot.
Hm...and you can buy DDR3 where? Oh right, nowhere. DDR2 is just settling in as the replacement for DDR, so it seems unlikely that there will be any supply of DDR3 for quite some time (the spec hasn't even been finalized yet). We know that AMD won't be supporting DDR3 until K8L/AM3, which won't hit until mid/late 2007 or possibly even 2008, and even then the chips are expected to support *both* DDR2 and DDR3. Intel is generally a bit ahead of the curve relative to AMD, but it still seems unrealistic to expect any DDR3 support from them for at least another year. So, is it really necessary to have a feature that's of no use whatsoever for at least another year? My feeling is no...besides, it's not like the boards themselves are going to have connectors for both DDR2 and DDR3, are they? So regardless of whether the chipset "supports" it, you'd still need a new board to actually take advantage, and by the time you could, new and better chipsets will be out anyways...by the end of 2007, *nobody* will want to buy an RD-600 based board to use in a new, high-performance system.
I agree on the PATA though, as SATA optical drives just aren't commonplace enough. However, as long as the mainboard itself features at least one IDE connector, it's fine, and I really don't see why it should make any difference whether that connector comes from the chipset itself, or from a third-party controller integrated on the board.
n7
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No, & no.
There is literally no choice.
All we have is Intel chipsets, nothing new yet from nVidia or ATi.
And of those Intel 965/975s available, there are only a few mobos out there that will actually OC half decently.
And where are all the good OCable sub-$150 mobos?
Ah right, they don't exist.
One thing AMD did well is partner with nVidia (or previously VIA), so almost right away, we had lots of choices, & many great OCing mobos for under $100.
In all honesty, i find the whole C2D launch process very disappointing.
We had a paper launch in spring, so we could get all hyped about the C2Ds & not buy more A64s (clever plan on Intel's part), & then lots of ES floating around to those with the hookups creating even more hype.
Also, we have lots of incompatible mobos, or now semi-compatible 975s, which may or may not work properly initially.
Finally 965 comes out, but there's very few to choose from, & all are massively overpriced for what you get.
Then the C2Ds are officially launched end of July finally.
Or are they?
Apparently that was only a half-assed launch i guess, as we will be waiting months for them to be readily available most likely.
And in the meantime, price gouging will be the name of the game, since no one had more than a few to sell.
So i guess i'm just a tad annoyed that they didn't wait till winter when they might actually have C2Ds to sell, along with a few more mobos. :roll:
Yet another whiner!!!
Let's see which Conroes are in stock at the present moment. (I see 4 of the 5 speeds available right now):
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Gee those MB's are sure rare too. I see no less then 12 from various manufacturers. (Intel, DFI, Asus, Gigabyte and MSI). And there's alway the budget MB's from ASROCK for the VIA chipset lovers.
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And those OC'ing reports are sure dissapointing. (only 3.6-3.9 Ghz with a E6400 on a MB that costs <$150):
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Maybe this is more to you're liking since you can't tolerate the "bleeding edge"!
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Henny, "ClubIT"??? I wondn't trust their "In stock" after several reports on this forum.
Anyway, I want to see E6600. No matter OEM or Retail.
Anyway, I want to see E6600. No matter OEM or Retail.
Yes, and the one that's not shown is the only one worth buying.
Also, if you only only count retail chips, then they only have one speed. My understanding was that many places have had OEM chips available (albeit at a high markup), and it's the retail versions that are in short supply (and that are covered under Intel's embargo).
he calls ppl whiners but he only finds one example, with OEM's, from a company no one really knows, etc....I am glad he puts stock in it....
i wouldn't buy from clubit....
Keysplayr
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Yeah! I had not heard of them...I use pricewatch all the time and I have not seen them before....That is it...If I see Zebo gets his then I would feel confident their in stock means in stock and shipping the 7th....
I think I trust tankguys when he says none of the top distributors had them....I dont know where clubit gets theres, but we will see if they are right...
I have been here for quite a while and I have never heard anyone use clubit or recommend them...
OI edited read comment cause I didn't mention that IN THIS THREAD!!!
Keysplayr
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Well now you have. And they happen to have a higher reseller rating than Newegg, Mwave, TigerDirect, MonarchComputer, Fry's/Outpost. I know you'll find a reason for this not to matter to you, but at least now you have an idea about ClubIT's business practices.
If a couple ppl tell me tomorrow who ordered 6700's tell me they ship tomorrow then I say we can trust them...again tankguys says all the teir one distributors do not have them...so how did clubit get them??? how does newegg not show them yet???
Keysplayr
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I'm going to assume here that just because you haven't heard of ClubIT, you automatically think they are not good? Correct me if I'm wrong? I'd like to know what you think of the ratings they got, and would also like to hear why it does not matter (if so). I mean, why have reseller ratings in the first place if no stock is put into it? IMHO.
EDIT: Bottom line. They have a great rating, better than probably all the vendors we use regularly.
The hope is that newegg is waiting for the embargo date of 8/7 to hit before they list them, however nobody really knows (though perhaps somewhere between 9 and 33 hours from now, we will).
The other possibility is that they just don't have any at all to list, which would suck.
to be fair, stores the likes of newegg get around 300 reviews from reseller ratings per month, vs. 10-20 for ClubIT - which is relatively new. So if you want to be an early adopter of not just C2D, but of an etailer...then by all means, they seem to be off to a decent start just as C2D is. However if they're new they're bound to slip up somewhere along the line, it could very well be now...
Yea, if these guys really didn't have the retail Conroes in "their" warehouse when they claimed "in stock", then watch their near perfect reseller rating go in the toilet all in one day!!
I'm not saying they won't ship all the orders tomorrow but it wouldn't be the first time a reseller counted orders placed with disti as their own stock on hand.
ClubIT seems to be promoting C2D all over the place. I have a feeling they cut a deal with Intel to trade promotions for early allocation of product.
I suspect most of the top tier resellers have been getting product drop shipped direct from Intel.
its the same thing at every new products launch: ppl start argueing about nothing. i hope conroe at all speeds will hit the stores soon so these threads become obsolete.
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