Well, I guess I'm a RACIST now........

[tcsenter]

Uh...dude you can always find exceptions. Like Justice Thomas who is against affirmative action...yet his whole life is based on affirmative action. I'm sure I can find some white dude who will agree with me, then what the hell would be your excuse?

Ah yes, predictably playing the old "Uncle Tom" card.

You have no idea who Zora Neal Hurston even was and her importance to black history, do you?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Another thing that just crossed my mind.

My ethnic background/make-up is Native American, Irish, Scotish, German.
It's VERY doubtfull that the Native American side of the family ever held black slaves (though no doubt they held other Native American's as slaves at one time or another).
It's probable that the Irish side came over after slavery ended. Which could also be said for the Scotch and German side, though there is a statue in Mass. of one of my ancestors. And my white ancestors have ALWAYS been Northerners. Though at one time the North did hold slaves, they also went to war to END slavery. (among other reasons) At least one of my ancestors fought for the North during the Civil War.

All in all I would say that the chances that ANYONE in my family background EVER held slaves is remote. But they did fight to end slavery. You hear about people saying we as whites owe the black comunity for what our ancestors did to them. But you never hear anyone say "I just want to thank you for what your people did to help free MY ancestors."

In other words, not all whites are guilty by default because they are white. And I'm sure there are very white few people that can even trace their family back to ever having held slaves.

Thank you Boss..Feel better?

 

[BruinEd03]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Another thing that just crossed my mind.

My ethnic background/make-up is Native American, Irish, Scotish, German.
It's VERY doubtfull that the Native American side of the family ever held black slaves (though no doubt they held other Native American's as slaves at one time or another).
It's probable that the Irish side came over after slavery ended. Which could also be said for the Scotch and German side, though there is a statue in Mass. of one of my ancestors. And my white ancestors have ALWAYS been Northerners. Though at one time the North did hold slaves, they also went to war to END slavery. (among other reasons) At least one of my ancestors fought for the North during the Civil War.

All in all I would say that the chances that ANYONE in my family background EVER held slaves is remote. But they did fight to end slavery. You hear about people saying we as whites owe the black comunity for what our ancestors did to them. But you never hear anyone say "I just want to thank you for what your people did to help free MY ancestors."

In other words, not all whites are guilty by default because they are white. And I'm sure there are very white few people that can even trace their family back to ever having held slaves.

Brutus...no one is accusing you first hand of owning slaves. The point is that racism exists in America. That you by being white still enjoy all the privelages of the racism/opression even if you don't have a white hood over ur head burning crosses. When you apply for a job, you're inherently a step up above the competition by being white. When you're seeking promotions, you get a step up by being white. When you drive on the freeways you're less likely to get pulled over by cops for random searches.

-Ed

 

[tcsenter]

btw isn't it disappointing tcsenter for you to spend a while to write this and have me rip it apart in a few seconds

If feel that employing a quip ad hominem attack against one of the most celebrated female figures in black history, suggesting she was a House awesome dude, is tantamount to 'ripping my post apart', that is a testament to the credibility of your other tripe.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Uh...dude you can always find exceptions. Like Justice Thomas who is against affirmative action...yet his whole life is based on affirmative action. I'm sure I can find some white dude who will agree with me, then what the hell would be your excuse?

Ah yes, predictably playing the old "Uncle Tom" card.

You have no idea who Zora Neal Hurston even was and her importance to black history, do you?

She was a good poet and writer. That doesn't make her more than a single person. The fact that she was able to be happy despite oppresion doesn't erase the fact that a huge amount of people have been crippled because of their race. No one mentioned Uncle Tom until you. Someone did say correctly that Clarence Thomas is a hypocrite by being against the very thing that put him in his current position.

Edit: You are also the only one to say "House awesome dude" I certainly didn't see that in Ed's post.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BruinEd03

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
Another thing that just crossed my mind.

My ethnic background/make-up is Native American, Irish, Scotish, German.
It's VERY doubtfull that the Native American side of the family ever held black slaves (though no doubt they held other Native American's as slaves at one time or another).
It's probable that the Irish side came over after slavery ended. Which could also be said for the Scotch and German side, though there is a statue in Mass. of one of my ancestors. And my white ancestors have ALWAYS been Northerners. Though at one time the North did hold slaves, they also went to war to END slavery. (among other reasons) At least one of my ancestors fought for the North during the Civil War.

All in all I would say that the chances that ANYONE in my family background EVER held slaves is remote. But they did fight to end slavery. You hear about people saying we as whites owe the black comunity for what our ancestors did to them. But you never hear anyone say "I just want to thank you for what your people did to help free MY ancestors."

In other words, not all whites are guilty by default because they are white. And I'm sure there are very white few people that can even trace their family back to ever having held slaves.

Brutus...no one is accusing you first hand of owning slaves. The point is that racism exists in America. That you by being white still enjoy all the privelages of the racism/opression even if you don't have a white hood over ur head burning crosses. When you apply for a job, you're inherently a step up above the competition by being white. When you're seeking promotions, you get a step up by being white. When you drive on the freeways you're less likely to get pulled over by cops for random searches.

-Ed

BULLFVCKINGSH!T!

You are saying that because someone is white they have a better chance at getting a job? Ever heard of AA? Holy sh!t. I am in a daze from all the stupidity in this thread.

Yeah you know how cops always pull up NEXT to you to check your color before they pull you over. Most police pull you over from behind.

You can whine and bitch all day long but all AA and social programs do is disadvantage blacks. They are no longer able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and do what they CAN do instead of what is HANDED to them. Cry me a river.

If a cop finds drugs in a random search it doesn't matter if you are black, mexican, purple, brown, or illiterate. You go to jail.

BTW Ed were you or yowolabi going to reply to my earlier posts or is this just another snowjob?

 

[Howard]

African-American? It's a sad day when practicality must be eschewed in favor of political correctness. 'Black' is much easier to say, isn't it? Why not call people 'Oriental', or 'Caucasian', or 'German-African', or 'Proto-Indo-European'?

 

Brutuskend, the fact that you overlooked the inherent discourteousness in your behaviour and made the focus of discussion race shows that you have your personal issues and battles with race. Something must be bugging you within . . . that's why even a "it's all good" can't be enough to you. Something in your conscience must disturb you so much that you cannot see the simplicity of the conflict here. You know the sad thing? You'll kill your soul with despair and worries, whilst he would let go of this incident and live a decent life with his emotional welfare. I feel so much pity for you.

And all this while, you'll keep having problems with people of all ethnicities because you fail to have etiquettes. The lesson to be learned here is courtesy, not race battle.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: luvly
Brutuskend, the fact that you overlooked the inherent discourteousness in your behaviour and made the focus of discussion race shows that you have your personal issues and battles with race. Something must be bugging you within . . . that's why even a "it's all good" can't be enough to you. Something in your conscience must disturb you so much that you cannot see the simplicity of the conflict here. You know the sad thing? You'll kill your soul with despair and worries, whilst he would let go of this incident and live a decent life with his emotional welfare. I feel so much pity for you.

And all this while, you'll keep having problems with people of all ethnicities because you fail to have etiquettes. The lesson to be learned here is courtesy, not race battle.

Pity is a useless emotion.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Zakath15

Originally posted by: luvly
Brutuskend, the fact that you overlooked the inherent discourteousness in your behaviour and made the focus of discussion race shows that you have your personal issues and battles with race. Something must be bugging you within . . . that's why even a "it's all good" can't be enough to you. Something in your conscience must disturb you so much that you cannot see the simplicity of the conflict here. You know the sad thing? You'll kill your soul with despair and worries, whilst he would let go of this incident and live a decent life with his emotional welfare. I feel so much pity for you.

And all this while, you'll keep having problems with people of all ethnicities because you fail to have etiquettes. The lesson to be learned here is courtesy, not race battle.

Pity is a useless emotion.

Pity= Disgust

 

[BooGiMaN]

Brutuskend..you took that comment way to serious.

Its also funny to see how so many of you presume to know what other people thinking or what there life experience has been.

For all you know this is what really happened:

Black guy thinking to himself..."Man, I hate it when she makes me stop and buy her cigs"...*mind wanders doesnt realize its his turn*

*Brutuskend walks in and cuts in line*

Black guys sees Brutuskend cutting in line and thinks to himself.."man, look at this mofo ..who does he think he is...if i wasnt so tired and kick his nerdy ass, whatever! damn people so rude around here"

*Brutuskend realizes he is a jerk and apologizes*

Black guys thinks "Now what the hell does he want, no way im giving him any spare change"

Brutuskend "BlaBlaBla i am so sorry"

Black guys says sarcastically " Yeah we all look alike to you!"..but he is thinking "what the hell is this computer jockey blind..hello! im black the other guy is mexican! duh!"

 

[tcsenter]

She was a good poet and writer. That doesn't make her more than a single person. The fact that she was able to be happy despite oppresion doesn't erase the fact that a huge amount of people have been crippled because of their race. No one mentioned Uncle Tom until you. Someone did say correctly that Clarence Thomas is a hypocrite by being against the very thing that put him in his current position.

You and I both know that is precisely what was being suggested. How does the black community generally feel about Clarence Thomas? They call him and others who find nothing in common with the 'black victimhood' mentality Uncle Tom, House Negro, etc. But if Ed wants to clarify that he was not impliedly calling Zora Neal Hurston a House Negro, then I'll accept his word.

Summarizing Zora Neal Hurston a "good poet and writer"? lol! That's one possible way to characterize her contribution to civil rights and black history. A bad, borderline insulting way, but a way nonetheless.

Of course, you fail to even address a single point I made, you have simply dismissed it out-of-hand. Again, if a black woman in 1928 can find so little cause to include herself among the "sobbing school of Negrohood", what the hell could possibly be your excuse?

Face it, when blacks had REAL oppression at which they could point, they rallied around blacks like Hurston. Now that all the legitimate excuses are gone, they have no other choice but to rationalize back down the ladder, throwing their support around race-baiting charletons like the Reverend Al Charleton. Its very hard to admit "my failures are my own", especially when you've never had to do so before. It means you may not only have to do without white paternalism, but you have to surrender the moral high ground, too. That requires a lot of courage. Goodness knows I'm rooting for the black community to make this transformation along with millions of other Americans with whom the 'racism' cry is beginning to ring hollow.

Hell, I don't know, I might even belong to a school of victimhood, if I were allowed to project all my failures and short-comings onto external targets since I was in diapers. Sorta like welfare, if too many people are on it too long, it has an "institutionalizing" affect.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend
A couple of days ago, I'm doing some food shopping and when I get done I go to another section of the store to get some smokes.
Well there are two people behind the counter and two registers. There is a Chicano standing at one of the counters getting something, and another man standing behind the little seperator for waiting customers. I walk up to the register thats free and get my smokes. As I'm leaving the man that was standing behind the seperator goes up to the register where I had just been served and asks for smokes. I say "I'm sorry, I thought you were with him" meaning the other guy who had been being served when I walked up. To which he replys "Yeah, we all look alike to you people, don't we?"

Well when I heard his voice, it was obvious that he was a black man, though a very light skinned one. And he DID look like he could have been the other guys father/older brother/friend. But that had nothing to do with why I had "Cut in line"......

So I go out to my car and load up my stuff, but now I'M feeling slighted! So I watch for the guy to come out of the store. He does and I decide I'm gonna go talk to the guy. A car pulls up, and he gets inside with his wife (White BTW) and child. And I start walking towards them. Well the car could have gone any direction, and I think "well if it goes anyway but the direction I'm heading, I'll let it drop" but as luck would have it, it turns and comes the same way I'm heading. So I flag them down. I say "Just so you know, the reason I just went up to the counter like I did was because there were two people working and two registers and only one person getting help. It had nothing to do with how you looked! And I ment no offence!" To which he replys "Yeah, whatever. It's all good." and rolls up the window and drives off.....

No I ask you, in a situation like this. WHO is the racist?

It is a reality in the US, I am assuming that you are in the US, that whites get better\preferential service compared to what is shown to Afro-Americans. I have seen what you related happen numerous times where there was no ambiguity about what happen and why. I am sure his past experiences has lead him to be sensitive to what appears to be a snub by the sales person.

Now should you internalize what happened?

I would not if I were you.

I have some questions,
Why did you confront this guy?
Why is the race of the woman in the car with him important to you?
How do you know she was his wife?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: luvly
Brutuskend, the fact that you overlooked the inherent discourteousness in your behaviour and made the focus of discussion race shows that you have your personal issues and battles with race. Something must be bugging you within . . . that's why even a "it's all good" can't be enough to you. Something in your conscience must disturb you so much that you cannot see the simplicity of the conflict here. You know the sad thing? You'll kill your soul with despair and worries, whilst he would let go of this incident and live a decent life with his emotional welfare. I feel so much pity for you.

And all this while, you'll keep having problems with people of all ethnicities because you fail to have etiquettes. The lesson to be learned here is courtesy, not race battle.

What is bothering him is that he had to prove he wasn't racist lest he be labeled one. The burden of proof with racism is on the accused and not the accuser.

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: Howard
African-American? It's a sad day when practicality must be eschewed in favor of political correctness. 'Black' is much easier to say, isn't it? Why not call people 'Oriental', or 'Caucasian', or 'German-African', or 'Proto-Indo-European'?

I try to call people what they prefer being called.

 

[TrueBlueLS]

Originally posted by: Viper GTS
I won't post it here, but a line from Blazing Saddles comes to mind as an appropriate comeback... The old woman, who later brought him a pie...

"Up yours..."



People that walk around with a big chip on their shoulder because of their skin color seriously need to be smacked.

Viper GTS

Exactly

 

[BooGiMaN]

Question is how many of you are talking about racism in one way or another based on personal day to day experience. Not statistics, studies or what other people have written, not what you see in the news or hear from friends. How many of you have lived day to day and seen this personally or have it happen to you. If you havent I don't see how you are qualified to assume anything. If you do yoru no better than the 'experts' they have on the news when a crisis happens. Just liek those people blaming violence on video games. Just talking out their A$$.

If your going to be angry, be angry at the ignorant people. That is the problem in todays society.

Brutuskend took it to serious and assumed the worst. He should have shrugged it off and went on his way.

 

[flavio]

1. Brutuskend cuts in line
2. Man insults him
3. It's all good

...but

4. We have to make a big deal out of it.

What is bothering him is that he had to prove he wasn't racist

No he didn't.

 

[datalink7]

I would like to take this moment in time to say that Springfield sucks compared to Eugene.

Thank you very much

 

[Maetryx]

Springfield RULES, datalink7. I used to work for the power company there. Okay, okay. Eugene is probably better.

 

[datalink7]

Originally posted by: Maetryx
Springfield RULES, datalink7. I used to work for the power company there. Okay, okay. Eugene is probably better.

lol

Parts of Springfield are pretty nice, but the part right as you are going into Springfield from Eugene it looks like a dump. Antique shop after Antique shop, and all the trees disappeared. And it looks dirty

And the Gateway mall isn't known as the "White Trash" mall for nothing Though I must admit that is where I always go to watch movies.

 

[flavio]

I'm going have to take a drive up to Oregon one day soon.

 

[tcsenter]

If your going to be angry, be angry at the ignorant people. That is the problem in todays society. Brutuskend took it to serious and assumed the worst. He should have shrugged it off and went on his way.

Part of the problem is that many millions of whites who have no control over the past and made no contribution to it feel pretty damned awful about our country's racist history, and would just as soon be falsely labeled a child molestor than falsely labeled a racist. If this were not true, we would not have affirmative action, and a condition would not exist in our society where shouting "discrimination" first and asking questions later more often than not is a fairly effective way to secure a favorable result. And brother do some blacks ever know it, because they pour salt on that wound where ever they find it.

I hardly find how this guy's deliberate remark could serve the interests of humor more than it serves the purpose of a sort of 'knife-twisting', rooted in a desire to constantly remind whites that their great great grandfathers 'might' have oppressed his great great grandfather.

It is not being 'playful', its used as a weapon, hardly the kind of thing that serves to unify people and 'bring them together'. Gleefully prodding misplaced guilt runs the risk of back-firing on the aggravator.

 

[flavio]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

it serves the purpose of a sort of 'knife-twisting', rooted in a desire to constantly remind whites that their great great grandfathers 'might' have oppressed his great great grandfather.

For some reason you keep acting as if racism only occurred a long time ago. Racism can occur without any actions from great-great-grandfathers.

hardly the kind of thing that serves to unify people and 'bring them together'

Brutuskend cut in line remember? So the guy insulted him. I would insult Brutuskend if he cut in front of me too.

 

No, he didn't have to prove anything, Millenium. Obviously he has no sense of humour, doesn't take responsibility and consequences for his actions and dramatises things. I can cite you personal incidence with people who behaved like Brutuskend around me. All I expected of them was courtesy, nothing more. Don't cover it up by blowing up the whole incident.

Wooooooooooohooooooooo! Tcsenter, having read your past and present posts in regards to politics and race, you've got issues. That's just too deep and there must be personal issues you're battling to devote your time to bringing up race on every minute case. Perhaps you'll find your way out some day. Why not make little pamplets and distribute as work of literature to those who suffer from this "white guilt". I'm afraid you're still suffering from it if you devote this much of your time to bringing it up in simple cases that don't need such complex analysis. Or maybe you hardly ever encountered people in your life, had a conflict and saw that it was simply misunderstanding or error on one's end. Do you always find ulterior motives and complex problems in every conflict you have with individuals? When you have a problem with a chubby kid and say you happen to be skinny, do you start to play the weight trip because maybe the chubby kid teased you about the ideal body as a come back for your rude behaviour?

Perhaps you can enlighten me by showing a step-by-step proof that this incident is rooted in racial hostility and guilt trip.

So far you have made complex statements but not established its connection to this particular case.