I was in a Wherehouse music store just killing time looking at CD's. Then this african-american lady comes up to me and starts cursing me out and calling me racist and accusing me of being a security guard spying on her because she is african-american. I didn't even notice the lady until she came up to me. Then I explained to her that I don't work there. I just got off of work and was just shopping for CD's. The lady didn't even apologize to me for the profanities she slung at me. :|
Cry me a river. I come from a one parent family... am I all of a sudden "disadvantaged"? Well, excuse my behavior and let me be an ass, then.
Oh, wait, you've beaten me to it.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon_3_27_02hm.html
Is that not the opinion piece/article that debunked your article Ed? I am getting dizzy over here.
I and Ed both pointed out the numerous flaws in the opinion piece. It can't be an article if it doesn't point to any facts, real people or any study that it actually names. Please read our responses and reply to them so we stop going in circles and keep the conversation moving.
*shrug* I'm tired and hopped up on fumes from cleaning my bathroom, I apologize for the childish insult. It was actually meant to be preemptive, when as if I'd just said the first two sentences, someone would have replied with the last sentence and reversed it. Make sense?
Nope..seeing as how your article doesn't actually debunk $hit. I've got an attorney general as one of my sources. Where's yours?
-Ed
It does make sense and it's funny because i'm sure that somebody would have done exactly that. Not me though.
From the WSJ editorial on the issue...
I'm not adding anything of worth, however, so I'm going to bow out.
I'm not adding anything of worth, however, so I'm going to bow out.
Originally posted by: yowolabi
Very educational
The article starts off on theory that racial inequities can only be based either on the minority race being inferior or the dominant race being actively keeping them in subjugation. Since those aren't the only two options, the following argument and conclusions are illogical and not even very well argued.
It seems to ignore the fact that as recently as 1965, a Civil Rights Act had to be passed to discourage active racism by making it illegal. Just because the kind of active racism that existed then isn't as predominant today doesn't mean that all of a sudden the slate was wiped clean. All of the wealth was already held by Whites, and more than 95% is inheritable, which means that Blacks have no access to it. Crime, lack of education, broken homes all follow poverty lines, not racial ones. It happens that poverty lines are very similar to racial ones due to the systematic and legal denial of money to Blacks from the days of George Washington up until very recently. Now it is self perpetuating because everyone can now honestly claim that "I never held slaves, so why should I feel sorry for something I didn't do." That's a valid argument, but if you don't think you indirectly benefit, it's just because you haven't studied enough history or math.
I need proof that 95% of white wealth is inheritable.
Oh yeah I would totally expect a socialist website to have an article like that. Socialism is pretty much just a economic system of welfare and BS.
*Yawns*
Oh Lord! So many of you are overly sensitive people. I can?t stand that around me. You take a little matter and blow it out of proportion. Basically, other members have stated my view, as follows:
?Mistakenly thinking someone was slighting him doesn't make him a racist either, only over sensitive.?
"Speaking of overly sensitive, why is it so important to you that a stranger believes in your goodness. Just like it shouldn't matter to him if a stranger believes in his equality. Unless someone is in a position where their beliefs about you can harm you, just let it go. You would have never seen him again, why bother approaching his car, and still worrying about it enough that you have to complain here.'
"He was irritated but he didn't make a big deal out of it calling you a racist. He said specifically ?Yeah, whatever it's all good?. Yet here you are claiming that he is the racist one?"
Brutuskend, what?s with the extreme sensitivity? I don?t even think that the guy cared that much. He probably wasn?t pleased with what you did, but he wasn?t hung up on it. Had he been, he would have started a quarrel without even waiting for you to apologise.
And frankly, if I was in his situation of someone cutting my front, I would let them have it. It?s plain rude. If you had reason to believe they were together, why didn?t you ask before moving forward? When I go to the store and I?m not sure if people are together, I politely ask them if they are together or separate. Other people afford me the same courtesy instead of making assumptions. The issue here isn?t even race. It?s plain discourtesy. I would think part of the manners you learn is to afford people such courtesy instead of making assumptions.
Without a doubt, he did have a point in saying ?you all think that we are the same?. I think it has to do with the whole profiling thing when a Black criminal is being searched for but every Black looks the same, so even the innocent get stopped or watched. If you were overly sensitive, you would be upset with that comment. But if you were not the overly sensitive type, you would make a tease from that comment and turn your experience with him into laughter, knowing that it was your mistake to have cut his front and made an assumption.
Basically, his response was a snide remark, it sounds. And it sounds as though he made the comment because you bothered to "apologise" to him. Perhaps he thought it was not a sincere apology and he would have preferred that you went your way and said nothing.
Just let it go. You?re overreacting. And you further tarnish your image when you go out of your way to stop him on the road whilst driving. It was no big deal to him as much as it was just rudeness to cut someone off. I'm almost willing to bet that he let it die since the moment it all happened.
"I was cashiering and a black lady came up to pay and I always gave people their change first by kind of dropping it in their hand with my fingers down so I didnt have to touch them and get germs cause I also had to handle food, and as I 'dropped' the change into her hand she said 'Dont worry, I wont rub off' and I just kinda looked at her dumbfounded, since I didnt really know what she was talking about at first. Then I just got her food and gave it to her and she left. I think that some people just automatically assume that everyone is racist/sexist or whatever-ist against them so they just treat everyone like they are racist/sexist or whatever-ist. It's really sad that the world is still like that."
Oh, please! Once again, it's plain courtesy issue. Someone of your ethnicity would have thought that you were a rude person. I have encountered cashiers who drop money in my hands like that. I get disgusted and wanna yell at them. So I?ve got germs and you got none?
My sis does better chastising them so they would never forget her. How you drop money in your customer?s hands makes a difference. If it?s a minority, he or she may suspect it to be "prejudice", but someone of the same ethnicity thinks rudeness or disrespect. They all boil down to the same thing explained differently.
?Mistakenly thinking someone was slighting him doesn't make him a racist either, only over sensitive.?
"Speaking of overly sensitive, why is it so important to you that a stranger believes in your goodness. Just like it shouldn't matter to him if a stranger believes in his equality. Unless someone is in a position where their beliefs about you can harm you, just let it go. You would have never seen him again, why bother approaching his car, and still worrying about it enough that you have to complain here.'
"He was irritated but he didn't make a big deal out of it calling you a racist. He said specifically ?Yeah, whatever it's all good?. Yet here you are claiming that he is the racist one?"
Brutuskend, what?s with the extreme sensitivity? I don?t even think that the guy cared that much. He probably wasn?t pleased with what you did, but he wasn?t hung up on it. Had he been, he would have started a quarrel without even waiting for you to apologise.
And frankly, if I was in his situation of someone cutting my front, I would let them have it. It?s plain rude. If you had reason to believe they were together, why didn?t you ask before moving forward? When I go to the store and I?m not sure if people are together, I politely ask them if they are together or separate. Other people afford me the same courtesy instead of making assumptions. The issue here isn?t even race. It?s plain discourtesy. I would think part of the manners you learn is to afford people such courtesy instead of making assumptions.
Without a doubt, he did have a point in saying ?you all think that we are the same?. I think it has to do with the whole profiling thing when a Black criminal is being searched for but every Black looks the same, so even the innocent get stopped or watched. If you were overly sensitive, you would be upset with that comment. But if you were not the overly sensitive type, you would make a tease from that comment and turn your experience with him into laughter, knowing that it was your mistake to have cut his front and made an assumption.
Basically, his response was a snide remark, it sounds. And it sounds as though he made the comment because you bothered to "apologise" to him. Perhaps he thought it was not a sincere apology and he would have preferred that you went your way and said nothing.
Just let it go. You?re overreacting. And you further tarnish your image when you go out of your way to stop him on the road whilst driving. It was no big deal to him as much as it was just rudeness to cut someone off. I'm almost willing to bet that he let it die since the moment it all happened.
"I was cashiering and a black lady came up to pay and I always gave people their change first by kind of dropping it in their hand with my fingers down so I didnt have to touch them and get germs cause I also had to handle food, and as I 'dropped' the change into her hand she said 'Dont worry, I wont rub off' and I just kinda looked at her dumbfounded, since I didnt really know what she was talking about at first. Then I just got her food and gave it to her and she left. I think that some people just automatically assume that everyone is racist/sexist or whatever-ist against them so they just treat everyone like they are racist/sexist or whatever-ist. It's really sad that the world is still like that."
Oh, please! Once again, it's plain courtesy issue. Someone of your ethnicity would have thought that you were a rude person. I have encountered cashiers who drop money in my hands like that. I get disgusted and wanna yell at them. So I?ve got germs and you got none?
Oh, so socialism is the issue now. Funny, I thought it was racial profiling. I guess when you get an article full of sources and documentation you have to find something to attack.
haha! I'm glad I was able to provoke you into give up this absurd little gem. I was hoping I'd get a nibble and you do not disappoint!
This country USED slave labor, it was hardly "built" on slave labor. My family were share-croppers. They were so poor they worked farms in exchange for a shack to live in and perhaps a few tenths of a percent of what they harvested. Guess how much better their accomodations were compared with the black families who worked the same farm? None, they lived in the same conditions, worked for the same compensation. If you can trace a single dollar that my family has ever made back to the oppression of blacks, I'll give it to you x 1000.
The claim that America was "built" on slave labor, implying that slave labor accounted for most of the collective labor in America at any given time, is provably false and historically ignorant. Approximatly 1/5th of whites (the wealthiest 20%) owned slaves at the height of the slave trade, that leaves the other 4/5ths, or 80%, of whites whose livelihoods were forged and made on the backs of THEIR OWN labor.
And even if it were true that slave labor accounted for most of the collective labor of America at any given time, the African is certainly not the only one who can claim to have been victimized. The Chinese were heavily utilized for railroads and mining. It was common to task the Chinese with the job of scurrying around dangerous terrain to pack and prime explosive charges, because the China man was expendable. One example out of hundreds.
While there is certainly a "legal", "philosophical", and "moral" distinction between a "slave laborer" and an impoverished white laborer (Irish, Italian, Czech, Pols, et. al.), this distinction becomes blurred when the historical record is scrutinized for practical differences between impoverished white laborers and slave laborers with respect to the appauling conditions and treatment they were subjected to. Where ever blacks or chinese weren't handy or wanted, abjectly poor whites were just as suitable for the same work, treated only nominally better, and as ripe for the plundering and taking advantage of by wealthy, industrialists, robber-barrons, and plantation owners.
Further, while self-determination is a vital human right, and that self-determination was stripped from the African (by other Africans who enthusiastically sold their tribal war conquests down the proverbial river), there is also something to be said for receiving a benefit due in no small part to that loss of self-determination.
Notable Harlem Renaissance figure and author Zora Neal Hurston alluded to this benefit in her 1928 essay entitled "How it Feels to be Colored Me", writing:
Now this was written in 1928, by an African American woman, when the plight of blacks was still wounded by OVERT oppression and vicious racism. So if a black woman in 1928 can find so little cause to include herself among the "sobbing school of Negrohood", what the hell could possibly be your excuse?
Uh...dude you can always find exceptions. Like Justice Thomas who is against affirmative action...yet his whole life is based on affirmative action. I'm sure I can find some white dude who will agree with me, then what the hell would be your excuse?
-Ed
btw isn't it disappointing tcsenter for you to spend a while to write this and have me rip it apart in a few seconds?
-Ed
-Ed
Another thing that just crossed my mind.
My ethnic background/make-up is Native American, Irish, Scotish, German.
It's VERY doubtfull that the Native American side of the family ever held black slaves (though no doubt they held other Native American's as slaves at one time or another).
It's probable that the Irish side came over after slavery ended. Which could also be said for the Scotch and German side, though there is a statue in Mass. of one of my ancestors. And my white ancestors have ALWAYS been Northerners. Though at one time the North did hold slaves, they also went to war to END slavery. (among other reasons) At least one of my ancestors fought for the North during the Civil War.
All in all I would say that the chances that ANYONE in my family background EVER held slaves is remote. But they did fight to end slavery. You hear about people saying we as whites owe the black comunity for what our ancestors did to them. But you never hear anyone say "I just want to thank you for what your people did to help free MY ancestors."
In other words, not all whites are guilty by default because they are white. And I'm sure there are very white few people that can even trace their family back to ever having held slaves.
My ethnic background/make-up is Native American, Irish, Scotish, German.
It's VERY doubtfull that the Native American side of the family ever held black slaves (though no doubt they held other Native American's as slaves at one time or another).
It's probable that the Irish side came over after slavery ended. Which could also be said for the Scotch and German side, though there is a statue in Mass. of one of my ancestors. And my white ancestors have ALWAYS been Northerners. Though at one time the North did hold slaves, they also went to war to END slavery. (among other reasons) At least one of my ancestors fought for the North during the Civil War.
All in all I would say that the chances that ANYONE in my family background EVER held slaves is remote. But they did fight to end slavery. You hear about people saying we as whites owe the black comunity for what our ancestors did to them. But you never hear anyone say "I just want to thank you for what your people did to help free MY ancestors."
In other words, not all whites are guilty by default because they are white. And I'm sure there are very white few people that can even trace their family back to ever having held slaves.
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