tcsenter, I've mentally disagreed with practically every single post of yours that I've read. But I *totally* see where you are coming from on this one. Your points are not without validity. But it is a bit of a stretch to ask someone to get over their grievances sooner rather than later. Of all the white Americans I've come across (lived in NY, MD, VA & NC), I would say about 95% have either been totally color-blind or have made very sincere efforts to look past color with varying degrees of success. The rest have been obviously racist (seen more of it here in NC than elsewhere that I've been). I'm not black - Indian, rather. Of the people that I see struggling to accept me as just another person, often I've found that it is relatively easier for them to get over their prejudices when I treat them as I would treat any person of my own color. I guess colored people are more insecure that racists aren't considered enough of an anomaly yet. When any white guy says, "Sure so-and-so is racist but he/she has other good qualities", it heightens the fear of racism, thereby helping propagate it. I see a near identical tussle going on in my own society back in India and felt compelled to post here. And yes, I practise what I preach when it comes to the problem my country faces with the issue that I mentioned.
PUH-LEEZE! Thousands of black millionares, doctors, lawyers, educators, politicians, business owners, entertainers who are worshipped as deities, et. al. ad nauseum, vigorous civil rights enforcement to a point where a hundred civil rights attorneys come out of the woodwork when someone shouts "discrimination" and are willing to provide their services FOR FREE to anyone with or without a case.
Yeah, racism is so prevalent in our society today, I can see why a black person would find it reasonable to hold EVERY single white person in contempt, sight unseen, whether or not they actually are a racist.
According Brutuskend, the guy wasn't in line, he was standing in that 'no man's land' between the lines, and a second register was open. Snooze you lose.
I am definitely not going to apologize for whatever people did back then. I wasn't there, it was a different time and those were other peoples choices to make. The majority agreed it was right.
Was it bad, was it wrong? Yes.
Is it my fault? Do i owe anyone anythign for it? No
If anyone thinks that somehow, someone today is still guilty or responsible for the past is just dumb.
Was it bad, was it wrong? Yes.
Is it my fault? Do i owe anyone anythign for it? No
If anyone thinks that somehow, someone today is still guilty or responsible for the past is just dumb.
Of course, everyone does, including you.
Perhaps.
Hmm, there's an idea.
Maybe.
Very few things are black and white, the more cut and dried a person believes the world to be, the more foolish they are.
Huh?
Hmmm, I don't know how I can make it any more clear than I already have. That you don't understand it instructs me that I could spend the rest of the night explaining it to you, and you still wouldn't get it. Maybe I'll get bored and dig up some stuff for you later.
"According Brutuskend, the guy wasn't in line, he was standing in that 'no man's land' between the lines, and a second register was open. Snooze you lose."
Fair play; no problem. If you wanna play tough, then take what you dish out. The problem here is, Brutuskend didn't play tough and stay tough. Instead, he started to cry over a spilled milk. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. In other words, oh, I didn't do anything wrong, as you weren't in line but I want you to forgive me. If you don't forgive me, I'll cry wolf . . . after all I was only playing fair since your queue wasn't well defined.
I don't think Brutuskend would want that for himself, would he? That argument is flawed considering the facts surrounding this circumstance.
Fair play; no problem. If you wanna play tough, then take what you dish out. The problem here is, Brutuskend didn't play tough and stay tough. Instead, he started to cry over a spilled milk. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. In other words, oh, I didn't do anything wrong, as you weren't in line but I want you to forgive me. If you don't forgive me, I'll cry wolf . . . after all I was only playing fair since your queue wasn't well defined.
I don't think Brutuskend would want that for himself, would he? That argument is flawed considering the facts surrounding this circumstance.
Originally posted by: luvly
No, he didn't have to prove anything, Millenium. Obviously he has no sense of humour, doesn't take responsibility and consequences for his actions and dramatises things. I can cite you personal incidence with people who behaved like Brutuskend around me. All I expected of them was courtesy, nothing more. Don't cover it up by blowing up the whole incident.
Wooooooooooohooooooooo! Tcsenter, having read your past and present posts in regards to politics and race, you've got issues. That's just too deep and there must be personal issues you're battling to devote your time to bringing up race on every minute case. Perhaps you'll find your way out some day. Why not make little pamplets and distribute as work of literature to those who suffer from this "white guilt". I'm afraid you're still suffering from it if you devote this much of your time to bringing it up in simple cases that don't need such complex analysis. Or maybe you hardly ever encountered people in your life, had a conflict and saw that it was simply misunderstanding or error on one's end. Do you always find ulterior motives and complex problems in every conflict you have with individuals? When you have a problem with a chubby kid and say you happen to be skinny, do you start to play the weight trip because maybe the chubby kid teased you about the ideal body as a come back for your rude behaviour?
Perhaps you can enlighten me by showing a step-by-step proof that this incident is rooted in racial hostility and guilt trip.So far you have made complex statements but not established its connection to this particular case.
He most certainly did. The burden of proof was on him. Sorry I get tired of people who are accused of being racist for populating dissent on issues like welfare or ACCIDENTLY cutting in line.
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Bottom line: you can't control what other people think.
You need to just blow it off, knowing you did the right thing, and go on with your life.
And accept that occasionally things like this will happen, and that you can let it complicate your life, or you can just watch it go by like a leaf on the surface of a river, and not let it engage you.
You need to just blow it off, knowing you did the right thing, and go on with your life.
And accept that occasionally things like this will happen, and that you can let it complicate your life, or you can just watch it go by like a leaf on the surface of a river, and not let it engage you.
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I'm not sure how what you wrote has anything to do with what I wrote. I was saying that you seem to regard racism completely tied together with slavery. When in fact you can have racism exclusive of there ever being slavery.
Was there a point in there? I don't believe most blacks find it reasonable to hold EVERY single white person in contempt, sight unseen. Are you saying most blacks do think this way?
I don't think Brutuskend would have said anyhting in the first place if he hadn't realized that he cut.
Originally posted by: luvly
"According Brutuskend, the guy wasn't in line, he was standing in that 'no man's land' between the lines, and a second register was open. Snooze you lose."
Fair play; no problem. If you wanna play tough, then take what you dish out. The problem here is, Brutuskend didn't play tough and stay tough. Instead, he started to cry over a spilled milk. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too. In other words, oh, I didn't do anything wrong, as you weren't in line but I want you to forgive me. If you don't forgive me, I'll cry wolf . . . after all I was only playing fair since your queue wasn't well defined.
I don't think Brutuskend would want that for himself, would he? That argument is flawed considering the facts surrounding this circumstance.
Ok..well I've been away from this thread for awhile, so I'll try and catch up a little bit any way.
First of all, I don't think I WAS out of line by going up to the free teller to begin with. Two registers/two people behind the counter= no brainer. The fact that the other guy was standing there and not taking advantage of the open register had everything to do with WHY I "Cut Line" it had nothing to do with what he looked like. (or VERY little at any rate) But taking into account that he looked like he could be related to the other guy, what would ANY of you do??? In the same situation, I doubt any of you faulting me, would have done otherwise. Once I realized he HAD been waiting, I said I was sorry. I would have done that no matter WHO it had been, or what color they were! I don't like anyone to feel bad about me, make what you want of that. The fact that he took my actions as racist and not just rude (which for ME would have been bad enough) just added to how I felt about the whole situation. And I felt compelled to clear everything up as best I could.
The fact that he got into a car with a woman (who happend to be white) with a child in the back seat = it must b his wife. And assumption perhaps, but a safe one under the cercumstance I would think. Why point out that she was white? Well, I would think that for the most part a man or woman married to a person of a differant race would be more tollerant and less likely to react as he did to another of that race. However, I'm sure that being in a interracial marrige and having to deal with all the bias that that can cause, would tint one's outlook a bit. Maybe causing him to be more reactive. Maybe my comment about "Who was racist" was a bit out of hand. But just as HE assumed I was, sometimes it's hard not to assume likewise. His tone of voice when he answered me was to say the least a bit condecending.
Put in the same situation again, I would still have gone up to the free teller no matter WHO was standing around or what they looked like.
As far as playing tough, I wasn't playing tough. I missjudged the situation, felt bad about inadvertantly cutting line, explained WHY I did so, (Never saying anything about "GEE, you look like the other guy...etc..) and said I was sorry! I would have said the same to anyone. The fact that HE assumed I thought he was with the other guy because of LOOKS.....well that was his assumption. I didn't want him the think thats how MY mind functioned..........
Hey, you apologized, it's their problem now. They can get glad in the same shoes they got mad in. they played the race card don't sweat it.
Now about a fresh joke...........
Now about a fresh joke...........
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Hahaha,that it's better to order your smokes online
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