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FallenHero
Diamond Member
Agreed.
Lord Evermore
Diamond Member
On the other hand, some people are making money off this site and FuseTalk and not pissing off the users or opening up customers to possible major failures is generally considered good business sense. At the very least, providing updates on status of a known issue would be nice, or responding to suggestions the affected users have made. Sure, Forum Issues isn't "actively monitored" but when a mod starts a thread that ought to indicate something that SHOULD be checked and responded to.
The Mods are not the one responsible for solving the problem. They are just around to protect and guide members from idiots.
These sections of the forums may not make much $$. It would seem to be run as a coutesy and labor of love.
Therefore, take it as such; I do so and appreciate that this site is available for reference and knowledge along with some entertainment from the kiddies.
Until people have determined what the problem is; it is better to not spread aound false information. By the Mods starting this thread; it indicates that some one in charge at some level is aware of the situation.
To the few that have been affected it may be an inconvience; but it is not life threatening.
If I had to create a new handle that was close enough to my current; it would not be such a deal. People that need to know would not worry; others would come to recognize the new handle as well as the old.
Number of posts and date may only mean things in FS/FT; and if concerns were to be raised, the Mods could help aleviate them as needed.
These sections of the forums may not make much $$. It would seem to be run as a coutesy and labor of love.
Therefore, take it as such; I do so and appreciate that this site is available for reference and knowledge along with some entertainment from the kiddies.
Until people have determined what the problem is; it is better to not spread aound false information. By the Mods starting this thread; it indicates that some one in charge at some level is aware of the situation.
To the few that have been affected it may be an inconvience; but it is not life threatening.
If I had to create a new handle that was close enough to my current; it would not be such a deal. People that need to know would not worry; others would come to recognize the new handle as well as the old.
Number of posts and date may only mean things in FS/FT; and if concerns were to be raised, the Mods could help aleviate them as needed.
Lord Evermore
Diamond Member
Which "sections" of the forums are making money whereas others are not? Maybe some "deals" make a few bucks due to referrals but I can't imagine it's so much that the entire rest of the forums are irrelevant by comparison. Aside from that, no one "section" was affected so I'm not even sure what that means.
I'm not talking about this even being an issue of the users having any "right" to having problems like this resolved. I'm talking about courtesy and/or a sensible way to run a business. If the forums make money, then it's due to the users, so it makes sense to help them so that they have good things to say about the site. If the forums don't make money then they may be kept up due to the "labor of love and courtesy" to fellow Internauts concept, but in that case where's the courtesy in leaving them in the dark on such a problem? (Nevermind the issue of the huge loss of goodwill and traffic to the main site if they were shut down, or had a huge loss of more than just a few user's posts and didn't bother to correct it.)
By making a post about it and making it a sticky, the mods created a de facto "official" thread about the issue, where it only makes sense to expect that there'd be updates on it. There was even an implied expectation of updates with the statement "we are awaiting their replies". And the moderators apologized for the issue, further enforcing the view that they are the representatives of the administrators.
The viewpoint of "it's free so you shouldn't expect much" just doesn't wash with me, nor does the idea that "it's just an Internet discussion board". I certainly can't accept the suggestion to just let the whole thing drop and assume that it'll be fixed. Just because it's not important enough to consider it a life-altering event for it to fail, doesn't mean we can't be upset when it's broken or be concerned about future failings.
moshquerade
No Lifer
is that the point though?
You complaining?
Sunrise089
Senior member
FWIW I 100% agree. I check this thread pretty often since I think this is an interesting problem and am curious about what happened. It is very odd that the mods took the time to make a thread about the problem and then basically stopped commenting on it, the more so since as others have said although they have no obligation to do so, it would be very easy to at least correct post totals and sign up dates. Almost makes me think either the admins don't care at all since it's such a quick fix or they think it's somehow bad to restore the data, which is odd considering these were known and respected users who were wronged by this error.
Defined wronged.
So the user name they used may have been lost. Thereby forceing another handle and join date.
The loss of an use does not prevent them from being here.
Your used the words - "well respected"; those members are not going to worry about their reputations being lost. As stated above; only where $$ would be concerned (FS/FT) would the post count and/or user name matter. If questions arise abould validity, the Mods can easily verify the issue when requested.
Sunrise089
Senior member
By wronged I do not mean AT has wronged them, but that someone has (that is assuming, as I do, that the deletion was deliberate). I am not necessarely trying to validate the importance of an existance here in the forum, I am simply to say that I find it curious considering the VERY small amound of work necessary to simply manually add in the old post count and join date info that it has still not been done.
I agree that the main problem for those whose acounts have been taken is in FS/FT, and that the mods could simply vouch for the sellers, but think about it - if they are going to take the time to vouch for somebody, then why not simply restore the info, that's all that is being asked. I find it increasingly suspicious how noone is able to give a good reason. I understand the mods don't need the to take the time to restore all of the posts, and I understand that there is no hard and fast reason why the info MUST be restored, but just because it isn't necessary, why not do it anyways? Afterall the mods did take the time to make this thread, so obviousely they care about the problem.
Lord Evermore
Diamond Member
oldsmoboat, EagleKeeper: Why keep trying to tell us that we don't have any right to ask a question? That we ought to be grateful for whatever scraps are handed to us? All you're doing is contributing to the continuation of a thread which you obviously think ought to die out unresolved. Nobody's badgering you to respond to the issue.
Regardless of whether you personally think there's anything wrong happening, there are some who are concerned (few as that may be, but there's always a chance we'll be heroes when everybody finds out their posts have all been saved from oblivion by our persistence 🙂).
Yes, it's just a stupid Internet forum. But it's still something people have put effort into making a place they like to participate, and it would be an unhappy event to many to suddenly lose most/all of their posts. Even if they could be vouched for in a place like FS/FT, even if a high post count and well known username doesn't count for much in the real world, it's still part of the FUN of being part of a community and nobody could possibly say they want to lose out on elements they enjoy.
It all boils down to the fact that it would just plain be nice of the admins to respond to the issue.
Regardless of whether you personally think there's anything wrong happening, there are some who are concerned (few as that may be, but there's always a chance we'll be heroes when everybody finds out their posts have all been saved from oblivion by our persistence 🙂).
Yes, it's just a stupid Internet forum. But it's still something people have put effort into making a place they like to participate, and it would be an unhappy event to many to suddenly lose most/all of their posts. Even if they could be vouched for in a place like FS/FT, even if a high post count and well known username doesn't count for much in the real world, it's still part of the FUN of being part of a community and nobody could possibly say they want to lose out on elements they enjoy.
It all boils down to the fact that it would just plain be nice of the admins to respond to the issue.
moshquerade
No Lifer
their response to the issue is in the thread title and until that changes there probably isn't anything for admin to add.
I don't give a sh!t about my reputation; I want to be able to go back and read the posts I've made over the last four years. Those posts represent hundreds of hours of work on my part, and now they're gone.
How would you feel if I deleted something that took you 500 hours to work on? How would you feel if that data was entrusted to me and one day it was simply gone?
Then send them to the Library of Congress for posterity and/or make you own backups if they are that critical.
All the Mods can do is advise on what they know. They do not run the site and/or have direct access to the databases and backups that may have been made. That falls under the realm of the site admins.
The more a site runs on automatic; the harder it is to insert manual adjustments.
Continual bitching at the Mods for something out of their control only makes you (general context) look like an ungrateful child who loves to :wine:
FallenHero
Diamond Member
We have no other way of contacting the admins. The mods ARE our direct link to the admins as they know exactly who to contact for any specific problem (or at least, should know.) Would you rather people stop bitching about anything and everything? You know what happens when people stop bitching and complaining? Quality goes down. You are willing to sacrafice quality so you don't have to read this thread?
The Mods have stated taht they have forwarded the info tothe proper people.
It should be now out of their hands; as they have acted as a conduit for the problem to be made aware of.
Those are the people that are now in control of the situation; not the Mods
It should be now out of their hands; as they have acted as a conduit for the problem to be made aware of.
Those are the people that are now in control of the situation; not the Mods
Lord Evermore
Diamond Member
EagleKeeper: next time you have an emergency, call 911. If the ambulance or fire truck doesn't show up, just keep waiting, since you must assume the right people have been contacted and are working to get there.
Yes, hyperbolic, but it's pretty much what you're saying.
Note that the original post does NOT say that they are working on the issue. It only says they were notified. The mods sent an email or a PM and are awaiting a reply. Even the mods don't know if anything is being done or if the issue was investigated. As has been pointed out, the mods are our conduit to the administrators when there are problems with the forums; we expect that messages from the mods are given greater attention than messages from a regular user.
As it stands now, we don't KNOW that anything is being done about the issue or that it's being investigated. The mods never even posted that they got an acknowledgement of the notification. We are in fact using the thread to try to get information on a FORUM ISSUE. As far as I know nobody's being harrassed by a flood of emails or PMs or phone calls; we're using this forum for the purpose intended. Even a "we got nothing" response from the mods would be welcome at this point, although it would probably result in greater upset since it would mean the admins don't even care about the moderators and undermine confidence in the forums.
Please, stop saying "it's just the Internet" and "the mods can't do anything" and "they must be working on it". They might all be true, but none of them invalidate our desire to get a response.
Yes, hyperbolic, but it's pretty much what you're saying.
Note that the original post does NOT say that they are working on the issue. It only says they were notified. The mods sent an email or a PM and are awaiting a reply. Even the mods don't know if anything is being done or if the issue was investigated. As has been pointed out, the mods are our conduit to the administrators when there are problems with the forums; we expect that messages from the mods are given greater attention than messages from a regular user.
As it stands now, we don't KNOW that anything is being done about the issue or that it's being investigated. The mods never even posted that they got an acknowledgement of the notification. We are in fact using the thread to try to get information on a FORUM ISSUE. As far as I know nobody's being harrassed by a flood of emails or PMs or phone calls; we're using this forum for the purpose intended. Even a "we got nothing" response from the mods would be welcome at this point, although it would probably result in greater upset since it would mean the admins don't even care about the moderators and undermine confidence in the forums.
Please, stop saying "it's just the Internet" and "the mods can't do anything" and "they must be working on it". They might all be true, but none of them invalidate our desire to get a response.
AnandTech Moderator
Staff member
I haven't heard anything about it it since we first found out and contacted the Admin, Jason and Anand.
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