[WCCF] AMD Radeon R9 390X Pictured

[Cloudfire777]

Maybe we will see more here of Fiji :thumbsup:

Date： June 3, 2015, Wednesday

During this event, AMD executives and special guests will be introducing new, comprehensive details on AMD’s 2015 product lineup.

http://www.amdcomputex.com.tw/index.php

 

[bryanW1995]

I wonder why they didnt use the opportunity to say "The fastest and most advanced single graphic card in the world coming soon".

If I had the fastest card out there, I`d market it like that.
Since they only mention "most advanced" its almost like they mean with HBM but slower than Titan X. Not that it would shock me.

Gonna be interesting the days ahead. Leaks should hit us very soon I think

Reading too much into it I think. Powercolor has never been the best about marketing, lol

8800 gtx vs 2900 xt all over again guys. How has nobody commented on this yet? Or, did I miss it in the last 23 pages?

I'm pretty sure that if we could somehow slap two noctuas NH-D15 on both GPUs it'd be just fine if you can sacrifice all the expansion slots :biggrin:

Wait, there's an NH-D15 now?? I'm so out of touch.

 

[Cloudfire777]

8800 gtx vs 2900 xt all over again guys. How has nobody commented on this yet? Or, did I miss it in the last 23 pages?

I don`t the difference between 390X and Titan X will be that big if it end up like that.
10-15% perhaps.

There are rumors that GTX 980Ti is not a full GM200 after all, but a GM200 GPU with 2816 cores instead of Titan`s 3072 cores.
So a R9 390X should match that GTX 980Ti I think, with prices very similar.

 

[bryanW1995]

It did. It beat it at 4K, it beat it at CF vs SLI. This was at launch.
Then after Maxwell's launch, we've seen Kepler performance drop off and its been a win for Hawaii vs GK110 even at 1440p. You must have not noticed many recent games that show R290X 10% behind 980 and faster than 780ti.

That's 438mm2 vs 551mm2.

Now we're expecting a big AMD GPU ~550mm2 can't match or beat GM200 at 600mm2? Unrealistic, as it would be going backwards.

Ok, that's a pretty compelling discussion point. Perhaps it's just that the yields are so poor that they can't make enough of the high profit ones yet? I know that every situation is different, but it just screams "DANGER" when one camp or the other falls this far behind.

On a happier note, I was pleased to go back and read up on how well my 7970 has aged. Well, sort of pleased. More like ticked off b/c that means I don't have an excuse to upgrade this cycle..

 

[Azix]

Maybe we will see more here of Fiji :thumbsup:

Date： June 3, 2015, Wednesday
http://www.amdcomputex.com.tw/index.php

Didnt sites confirm it would be after computex? Sheesh. So announce computex launch hardware later?

I wouldn't say either nvidia or AMD is behind. AMD does seem to have the more robust architecture though. 7970 still relevant. Also, amd releases aren't really behind. This is their release year, nvidia will be next year most likely but nobody will say nvidia is behind for taking the year like they did with 970/980

 

[3DVagabond]

Presumably meant to be targeting the x% who would like to add to that 1% but haven't yet as GPU's not there yet. Odd way of phrasing it though

Might be a bit of Engrish involved.

 

[3DVagabond]

I wonder why they didnt use the opportunity to say "The fastest and most advanced single graphic card in the world coming soon".

If I had the fastest card out there, I`d market it like that.
Since they only mention "most advanced" its almost like they mean with HBM but slower than Titan X. Not that it would shock me.

Gonna be interesting the days ahead. Leaks should hit us very soon I think

The 295x2 is the fastest card in the world, not Titan X.

 

[positivedoppler]

I wonder why they didnt use the opportunity to say "The fastest and most advanced single graphic card in the world coming soon".

If I had the fastest card out there, I`d market it like that.
Since they only mention "most advanced" its almost like they mean with HBM but slower than Titan X. Not that it would shock me.

Gonna be interesting the days ahead. Leaks should hit us very soon I think

If I was ever the guy in charge I would not use the term fastest. Wouldn't want a frivolous lawsuit. Even if it's HBM, it's technically clocked slower. Even if it wins 99% of the benchmark and games via landslide, it just has to lose one.

 

[Silverforce11]

Maybe we will see more here of Fiji :thumbsup:

Date： June 3, 2015, Wednesday
http://www.amdcomputex.com.tw/index.php

Press brief & reveal, for sites to go into details on the new lineup & uarch. Then launch later.

Gives press plenty of time to chew on it.

 

[JDG1980]

There are rumors that GTX 980Ti is not a full GM200 after all, but a GM200 GPU with 2816 cores instead of Titan`s 3072 cores.
So a R9 390X should match that GTX 980Ti I think, with prices very similar.

But that won't be good enough. If the price, performance, and power consumption are all roughly on par with Nvidia, then the Nvidia card will win. AMD has to contend with the fact that they've got a less desirable brand in the marketplace. Whether it's fair or not, AMD has to beat Nvidia in at least two of these metrics and perhaps all three in order to win any sizable amount of market share. The exception is if they win the performance crown outright, in which case they will gain some sales from people who want the fastest single-GPU card regardless of price. But if the R9 390X only matches the cut-down GM200 card and costs just as much, then Nvidia will sell three to five of their GM200 cards for every Fiji card that AMD sells.

 

[JDG1980]

I wonder why they didnt use the opportunity to say "The fastest and most advanced single graphic card in the world coming soon".

If I had the fastest card out there, I`d market it like that.
Since they only mention "most advanced" its almost like they mean with HBM but slower than Titan X. Not that it would shock me.

Gonna be interesting the days ahead. Leaks should hit us very soon I think

You're giving them far too much credit for subtlety. They can't even write a grammatically correct phrase, and you're parsing the details of what, exactly, "most advanced" means.

Still has two 8 pin connectors, so no massive power reductions.

I'm pretty sure that the clear picture shown below the PowerColor slide is from a R9 295 X2. It matches the photos I can find of the released card. Even the R9 290X doesn't need dual 8-pin connectors (they get by with an 8-pin and a 6-pin) so I doubt this is accurate.

 

[LTC8K6]

I'm pretty sure that the clear picture shown below the PowerColor slide is from a R9 295 X2. It matches the photos I can find of the released card. Even the R9 290X doesn't need dual 8-pin connectors (they get by with an 8-pin and a 6-pin) so I doubt this is accurate.

Ah...I misunderstood the intent of the comparison post.

But there are R9-290X cards with dual 8 pin power connectors.

The new SAPPHIRE R9 290X Tri-X 4GB OC features the latest GCN (graphics core next) architecture from AMD with 2816 stream processing units and an enhanced engine clock of up to 1020Mhz. It is equipped with 4GB of the latest high performance GDDR5 memory on a 512-bit interface and now clocked at 1350 MHz (5.4GHz effective) delivering higher bandwidth than earlier models.The new SAPPHIRE R9 290X Tri-X 4GB OC is built on a SAPPHIRE original pcb design with the power upgraded to a 6-phase VDDC power design. Two 8-pin power connectors ensure adequate system power is available (up to 375 Watts total including PCI-Express power).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202145&cm_re=r9_290x-_-14-202-145-_-Product

 

[MrTeal]

If I was ever the guy in charge I would not use the term fastest. Wouldn't want a frivolous lawsuit. Even if it's HBM, it's technically clocked slower. Even if it wins 99% of the benchmark and games via landslide, it just has to lose one.

Pay the Russians to take one up to the ISS next time they send a resupply mission. Problem solved.

 

[3DVagabond]

But that won't be good enough. If the price, performance, and power consumption are all roughly on par with Nvidia, then the Nvidia card will win. AMD has to contend with the fact that they've got a less desirable brand in the marketplace. Whether it's fair or not, AMD has to beat Nvidia in at least two of these metrics and perhaps all three in order to win any sizable amount of market share. The exception is if they win the performance crown outright, in which case they will gain some sales from people who want the fastest single-GPU card regardless of price. But if the R9 390X only matches the cut-down GM200 card and costs just as much, then Nvidia will sell three to five of their GM200 cards for every Fiji card that AMD sells.

It's never been a performance thing with AMD vs nVidia. Or at least not for a very long time. When the 5000 series launched they had every metric at every price/performance point and in 6 months they pulled about even. Then the 480 released and the trend reversed. It was almost a year that nVidia had no card to compete in every level below the 480/70. Then when the 460 launched, they took back over.

AMD needs to convince people their cards are better. And not just the people on these forums. People in general.

 

[Silverforce11]

It's never been a performance thing with AMD vs nVidia. Or at least not for a very long time. When the 5000 series launched they had every metric at every price/performance point and in 6 months they pulled about even. Then the 480 released and the trend reversed. It was almost a year that nVidia had no card to compete in every level below the 480/70. Then when the 460 launched, they took back over.

AMD needs to convince people their cards are better. And not just the people on these forums. People in general.

People in general blame AMD for poor performance in NV sponsored games. You can see it when you read the Steam forums for Project Cars.

But the trend has definitely reversed. There's a ton of discussions regarding GameWorks anti-competitive tactics now, coming from journalists as well as Reddit (where an NV rep actually had to join in to try and defend their actions, saying "its our IP, we ain't gonna share it") & other forums. There's a TON of pissed off 780/Titan/780Ti owners on gaming forums after the terrible performance in Project GameWorks & Witcher 3.

 

[AnandThenMan]

But the trend has definitely reversed. There's a ton of discussions regarding GameWorks anti-competitive tactics now, coming from journalists as well as Reddit (where an NV rep actually had to join in to try and defend their actions, saying "its our IP, we ain't gonna share it") & other forums.

I think this is a very bad tactic for Nvidia to take. People will only drink the corporate kool-aid for so long and it looks like gamers have had enough of Nvidia telling their fans Nvidia is going to do what is best for Nvidia screw everything else.

And once public opinion reaches a tipping point it can be really difficult to reverse the tide, AMD knows this full well they have a reputation as making cheap products with poor support and most gamers cannot be convinced otherwise. If Nvidia is not careful they will get a reputation as being anti-gamer.

 

[digitaldurandal]

I think this is a very bad tactic for Nvidia to take. People will only drink the corporate kool-aid for so long and it looks like gamers have had enough of Nvidia telling their fans Nvidia is going to do what is best for Nvidia screw everything else.

And once public opinion reaches a tipping point it can be really difficult to reverse the tide, AMD knows this full well they have a reputation as making cheap products with poor support and most gamers cannot be convinced otherwise. If Nvidia is not careful they will get a reputation as being anti-gamer.

None of that matters though. They are doing quite well financially and they continue to increase their market share. The only negativity that matters for their corporation is dollars and cents.

 

[swilli89]

But that won't be good enough. If the price, performance, and power consumption are all roughly on par with Nvidia, then the Nvidia card will win. AMD has to contend with the fact that they've got a less desirable brand in the marketplace. Whether it's fair or not, AMD has to beat Nvidia in at least two of these metrics and perhaps all three in order to win any sizable amount of market share. The exception is if they win the performance crown outright, in which case they will gain some sales from people who want the fastest single-GPU card regardless of price. But if the R9 390X only matches the cut-down GM200 card and costs just as much, then Nvidia will sell three to five of their GM200 cards for every Fiji card that AMD sells.

How do people get away with this kind of post? Rampant superlatives and false generalizations. Utter BS

 

[digitaldurandal]

How do people get away with this kind of post? Rampant superlatives and false generalizations. Utter BS

There are some posts that I would agree with you on, but this post is not one. They are correct unfortunately.

Nvidia is much more aggressive in their branding. Given the choice between two equal cards the majority will buy Nvidia.

 

[96Firebird]

How do people get away with this kind of post? Rampant superlatives and false generalizations. Utter BS

This is what it looks like when you can't come up with a counter-argument...

 

[swilli89]

There are some posts that I would agree with you on, but this post is not one. They are correct unfortunately.

Nvidia is much more aggressive in their branding. Given the choice between two equal cards the majority will buy Nvidia.

My thing is that you can either state it as "some gamers buy in the nvidia marketing" or "nvidia has a better brand" one is a statement of opinion and one is a fact. Anyone claiming amd needs to beat nvidia on all 3 metrics has a hidden agenda

 

[Enigmoid]

My thing is that you can either state it as "some gamers buy in the nvidia marketing" or "nvidia has a better brand" one is a statement of opinion and one is a fact. Anyone claiming amd needs to beat nvidia on all 3 metrics has a hidden agenda

He is talking about the general trend in the marketplace.

 

[digitaldurandal]

My thing is that you can either state it as "some gamers buy in the nvidia marketing" or "nvidia has a better brand" one is a statement of opinion and one is a fact. Anyone claiming amd needs to beat nvidia on all 3 metrics has a hidden agenda

Luckily he said 2 out of 3. Dodged that bullet.

You are reading the post in such a way as to look for a reason to get upset in my opinion. Reread the post with a presumption of good will and see if you can take away something less negative from it.

EDIT: Additionally, the statements that gamers buy into Nvidia marketing and Nvidia has a better brand are synonymous . It is exactly what branding is about.

 

[Silverforce11]

There's no hidden agenda, its true that NV brand is better.

AMD needs to bring their A-game with Fiji or else they will have to sell it for a large discount.

 

[AnandThenMan]

None of that matters though. They are doing quite well financially and they continue to increase their market share. The only negativity that matters for their corporation is dollars and cents.

It ALL matters actually. Doing well currently is no guarantee to always grow the business, taking the above approach is short sighted and has killed many companies.