Was Hitler a Christian?

[SparkyJJO]

Heck no.

 

[timosyy]

There are some pretty narrow views in here, which I suppose was rather expected given the flamebait nature of the OP (though it seems that was unintentional and actually was an innocent question).

I'm a pretty heavy critic of Christianity but sheesh people... I know its an internet forum so its cool to be all snappy/sarcastic/witty and all, but.

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven*. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that?"

*"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all our soul and with all your mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: Love your neighbor as yourself."

Does any of that sound like Hitler? This is like stuff I learned in High School (Comparative Religions) -.-

All that being said, "Christian" is just a term, and if he applied it to himself, then so be it. I just didn't like what was being implied. To be honest, I feel like Christianity would be one of the most inoffensive religions out there if Christians actually followed what they preached. /shrug. I'm an INTP personality type, i'm driven to correct people, please forgive me

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Originally posted by: IGBT
... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.?< Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

The only thing your post succeeding in demonstrating to me is that you are a fucking whack-job.

Way to backfire on yourself, jerkoff. :thumbsup:

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He possibly could be a Christian. To God, all sin is equal. We can't really comprehend that as to us, killing people is WAY worse then stealing a bag of chips from the store, and yes it is worse, but either one is a sin, and is impurity, which deserves hell.

Thankfully if you believe Jesus died on the cross and ask him to forgive your sins that makes you a Christian. It's really that easy, so even Hitler could possibly do it.

Doesn't really matter if he committed suicide.

 

[Baked]

He was a modern Crusader.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: TehMac
He was an Occultist. Mainly he was crazy. He was raised a Catholic, but adopted his own ideas that appealed to the neo-paganism of 1930's Germany. Essentially he was an Atheist.

Of course you have read Mein Kampf and you base your claim on these clearly Atheistic quotes from Hitler:

As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.

I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

Even today I am not ashamed to say that, overpowered by stormy enthusiasm, I fell down on my knees and thanked Heaven from an overflowing heart for granting me the good fortune of being permitted to live at this time.

Who says I am not under the special protection of God?

 

[MovingTarget]

I'm not sure whether this thread is intended to be a troll thread or is an attempt at a legitimate discussion. However, as this is ATOT so I know better.

Godwin.

/thread

 

[irishScott]

By whose definition?

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

Most if not all people that claims that they are a "Christian" talk the talk, but do not do the walk.

How many christian have you seen turn the other cheek?

How many christian that are wagging war/killing people at the moment?

And, when did Jesus teach people how to use guns/bombs?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

What a ridiculous statement.

You aren't a Christian if you don't walk the walk. The very definition of Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ.

 

[randay]

was jesus a nazi?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

What a ridiculous statement.

You aren't a Christian if you don't walk the walk. The very definition of Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ.

No, this is just more of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: randay
was jesus a nazi?

He was a nationalistic religious nutjob, but not a nazi

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

What a ridiculous statement.

You aren't a Christian if you don't walk the walk. The very definition of Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ.

In that case, there aren't many Christians around! :Q

 

[the unknown]

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He possibly could be a Christian. To God, all sin is equal. We can't really comprehend that as to us, killing people is WAY worse then stealing a bag of chips from the store, and yes it is worse, but either one is a sin, and is impurity, which deserves hell.

Nope. Venial sin and mortal sin. Look it up if you care.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: the unknown

Originally posted by: RedSquirrel
He possibly could be a Christian. To God, all sin is equal. We can't really comprehend that as to us, killing people is WAY worse then stealing a bag of chips from the store, and yes it is worse, but either one is a sin, and is impurity, which deserves hell.

Nope. Venial sin and mortal sin. Look it up if you care.

Catholicism and "ordinary" Christianity have significant differences.

Look it up if you care.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot
he was

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I'm not sure whether this thread is intended to be a troll thread or is an attempt at a legitimate discussion. However, as this is ATOT so I know better.

Godwin.

/thread

It was just something I was trying to process. I am finally starting to understand the difference between the church, religion and God. I am also realizing that a lot of institutions are claiming to be doing God's work, but they are doing the opposite. That got me to thinking about how someone could take the Bible and twist it to fit whatever their agenda was. Hitler came to mind and I didn't know if he was a Christian. Wiki said yes and no, so I asked ATOT.

I am well beyond my trolling days.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
He said he was in several speeches, but he may have just been an opportunistic liar. He definitely used his people's christian faith to help unite them to his cause whether he believed what he was saying or not.

hrm.

sounds familiar.......

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: IGBT
... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.?< Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

wow.

reverse Godwin? (though that would be broken with the OP)

You have a lot of empty space up there between those ears, don't you?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: Cerpin Taxt

Originally posted by: IGBT
... when liberals are not trying to pass Nazism off as ?fascism,? they are attempting to pass it off as an extreme form of ?conservatism? and an inexorable byproduct of Christianity. In 2003, on his show Scarborough Country, former congressman and current MSNBC personality Joe Scarborough shed light on a college textbook that grouped Rush Limbaugh and Ronald Reagan with Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini as ?conservatives.?<< Now how exactly could Hitler, a man who was a strong supporter of social welfare programs, gun control, animal rights, government funding for the arts and bans against smoking in public get away with being called a ?conservative??
The reason is simple. Liberals are such shameless liars and persistent revisionists that they will malign anyone they disagree with as Hitleresque, from the spastic Iraq war protestors comparing George W. Bush to Hitler to Sen. Dick Durbin comparing American troops to ?Nazis.? Perhaps this is on account of the equivalence of their deep-seated rejection of God to Hitler?s militant rejection of God which led to one of the ugliest mass murders in human history. But wait a minute, wasn?t Hitler a Christian also?

Well if being a Christian means claiming the role of God for one?s self and coercing the subjects of one?s rule to shake off their beliefs in Christ and pledge a new allegiance to the Third Reich, then perhaps Hitler was a Christian. But this certainly doesn?t explain why the Nazis harassed, arrested, tortured and murdered Christian clergymen for espousing their beliefs, or for that matter why during the first five years of the Nazis? rule a majority of concentration camp inmates were Christians, Jews being late arrivals for the most part, nor does it explain why on November 4, 1936, the Nazis ordered the removal of crucifixes from schools in the Oldenburg area on account of the notion that they were ?symbols of superstition.?

The only thing your post succeeding in demonstrating to me is that you are a fucking whack-job.

Way to backfire on yourself, jerkoff. :thumbsup:

seriously.

If members like NSFW must be restricted to the OT and L&R forums because of his name, can't dipshits like this be locked out of every forum but P&N?

seriously, there isn't an intelligent, informed thought in the majority of IGBT's posts, so it seems like he only belongs in P&N....

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I'm not sure whether this thread is intended to be a troll thread or is an attempt at a legitimate discussion. However, as this is ATOT so I know better.

Godwin.

/thread

It was just something I was trying to process. I am finally starting to understand the difference between the church, religion and God. I am also realizing that a lot of institutions are claiming to be doing God's work, but they are doing the opposite. That got me to thinking about how someone could take the Bible and twist it to fit whatever their agenda was. Hitler came to mind and I didn't know if he was a Christian. Wiki said yes and no, so I asked ATOT.

I am well beyond my trolling days.

Ah. You may have wanted a rational discussion about this, but I've lost faith in AT when it comes to religious topics. The internet never really has discussions of nazis without turning into flamefests. Oh well. Sorry if I sounded like I was implying you were a troll. I get a little knee-jerkish sometimes.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
Doesn't matter what he claimed.....his life indicates that he was not a Christian. Even if he was baptized as one (and I don't know whether he was or not) that doesn't automatically make you a Christian the rest of your life. You have to walk the walk, and obviously, he did not.

So what's the point?

if someoen believes that jesus christ is the son of god, you are a christian, end of story

What a ridiculous statement.

You aren't a Christian if you don't walk the walk. The very definition of Christian is someone who follows the teachings of Christ.

No, this is just more of the "no true scotsman" fallacy.

yep.

I would argue with the same logic that GWB, Cheney, and their ilk are in no way Christian based on their actions and beliefs.

Many would disagree with me. I know they certainly don't walk the walk, not as Jesus did, and I know I'm right. Doesn't mean a lot of numbskulls out there think that these people are Christians and that Hitler wasn't.
Can't have it both ways.

 

[rudeguy]

Originally posted by: MovingTarget

Originally posted by: NSFW

Originally posted by: MovingTarget
I'm not sure whether this thread is intended to be a troll thread or is an attempt at a legitimate discussion. However, as this is ATOT so I know better.

Godwin.

/thread

It was just something I was trying to process. I am finally starting to understand the difference between the church, religion and God. I am also realizing that a lot of institutions are claiming to be doing God's work, but they are doing the opposite. That got me to thinking about how someone could take the Bible and twist it to fit whatever their agenda was. Hitler came to mind and I didn't know if he was a Christian. Wiki said yes and no, so I asked ATOT.

I am well beyond my trolling days.

Ah. You may have wanted a rational discussion about this, but I've lost faith in AT when it comes to religious topics. The internet never really has discussions of nazis without turning into flamefests. Oh well. Sorry if I sounded like I was implying you were a troll. I get a little knee-jerkish sometimes.

I appreciate the kind words

I know that threads like this can get derailed, but there were some very solid answers posted. Also some very pro-christian posts...I didn't expect that.

 

[randay]

wait, so youre not a christian unless you can heal the sick and come back from the dead?