Warner Bros goes Blu-Ray exclusive

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
WTF are you even doing in this thread, Red Dawn? You need Computer Geeks to even turn on your computer and now you want us to believe you've put any more thought into the Hi Def war than unwrapping the PS3 you guys won from a sweepstakes?

By the way, how do you look in Celtics green?

Still the bitter little man huh? The only satisfaction I get from BluRay winning this format war is that it causes fanbois like you so much consternation. Other than that I feel for those who have invested so much into HD DVD only to find themselves investing in the current Beta Max. Frankly I think this whole Format War was bullshit and unnecessary.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I just hope the HD-DVD group decides to prolong the war. Looking at the movies to be released in 2008, even without Warner they could still take the lead with even a small move like dropping the MSRP of the players to $100 permanently or making movies match SD prices.

Toshiba removed HD-DVD players from their website.

Need any more signs that your beloved format is dead?

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I just hope the HD-DVD group decides to prolong the war. Looking at the movies to be released in 2008, even without Warner they could still take the lead with even a small move like dropping the MSRP of the players to $100 permanently or making movies match SD prices.

Toshiba removed HD-DVD players from their website.

Need any more signs that your beloved format is dead?

Holy shit, you're an idiot:
http://www.tacp.toshiba.com/hddvd_products/hddvd.asp

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
WTF are you even doing in this thread, Red Dawn? You need Computer Geeks to even turn on your computer and now you want us to believe you've put any more thought into the Hi Def war than unwrapping the PS3 you guys won from a sweepstakes?

By the way, how do you look in Celtics green?

are you trying to out-troll yourself in the same thread?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: vrbaba

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Chaotic42

Originally posted by: spacejamz

Originally posted by: Chaotic42
Why is everyone so defensive about certain formats? It's not like one format is significantly better than the other. Why is it so important that Blu-Ray or HD-DVD "wins"?

because some people have invested some serious $$$ on the format they thought would win. You would be a little ticked if you spend $400-500 on player and bought 100-200 movies at an average of $25 a pop and found out that WB chose the other format.

200 movies? Seriously?

Even if you bought $5000 worth of HD-DVDs, they won't suddenly become useless, so you won't need to buy them over again. At the very worst, you'd need to buy a Blu-Ray player to watch any new movies that come out, so you're out the cost of the player (which will be $200 soon).

Not a huge loss.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but aren't they required to release all movies in both formats overseas? So even if/when HD-DVD finally dies, won't you still be able to get movies in the format (albeit at a few dollars more per disc) up until that point?

Interesting...

HD-DVDs are region-free, so it doesnt matter if the disc is european or american or chinese as long as original audio in english is still there.

But where does it say they are required to release in both formats overseas? It would make going BR exclusive not that significant for Hd-dvd player owners.

it's not required, it's jsut that there is nothing in their contracts to keep them from releasing overseas. many people import from overseas to get what they can't here--Band Of Brothers (was) available in Japan on HD DVD for several months, but was discontinued. It was better than broadcast HD, too 🙁

Try xploited cinema for all your non-US contracted High def releases. oftentimes, the transfers are better than what we get over here as well... The Dutch Casino Royale or T2 for example...

you can also look into the UK, France, etc Amazons for the same titles...

 

[manowar821]

blu-ray and hd-dvd can both blow me.

 

[Dacalo]

Originally posted by: Imp
Just got a PS3, but aside from the free BDs that came with the system, I don't plan on getting any. I really want to, but my monitor's HDCP input is being used and we don't have a high-def TV yet. Also, the $10-$15 premium over regular DVDs is a bit discouraging. ~There's a few examples of problems faced by some PS3 owners.

Indeed, blu-rays are more expensive, if you are naive enough to buy them at Best Buy or something. I had 1 blu-ray movie before 2 weeks ago, and now I have total of 8 movies, about $9 a pop, with exception of Planet Earth.

Amazon.com has buy one get one free deals, and also $5 off if you use their Visa. If you are resourceful, there are many good deals out there. Speaking of deals, they will disappear slowly since blu-ray will be gaining momentum. 🙁

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
WTF are you even doing in this thread, Red Dawn? You need Computer Geeks to even turn on your computer and now you want us to believe you've put any more thought into the Hi Def war than unwrapping the PS3 you guys won from a sweepstakes?

By the way, how do you look in Celtics green?

Frankly I think this whole Format War was bullshit and unnecessary.

Yet that didn't stop you from throwing your $.02 into this thread did it? What a surprise.

As for me, I'm already over it. I didn't "invest" in HD-DVD. My DVD player had a broken tray which we lived with for years. When a deal came along I got an HD-DVD player and 12 movies for $160. I've added maybe another 8 or so since. I appreciated that the Toshiba group catering to real people and not the "gotta have it" crowd who bought a $600 PS3 when it didn't even have any games just cause it was Sony and cause it was coooool.

My shock in all of this and only source of initial frustration was that they could make such a bad decision. Had Warner stayed neutral, BR was doomed. Warner just effectively bailed them out based on one statistic......percentage of discs sold this year. It's another check under the column of stupid short-sighted decisions and I'm sick of seeing them made. But as I said I'm over it.....it's par for the course and, as I said, the war doesn't have to be over and, at worst, there will still be plenty of titles to pick up before my player becomes a dirt cheap really good upconverter.

Then again, if you are all saying that the winner dictates who was best, then I guess you can all stop bitching about Bush being President.

 

[Kerouactivist]

I'm so tired of the war (driving prices down whcih is nice)...and wish they would just come out with affordable dual-players and end this madness....

I've got blu-ray and I really like but it sucks missing out on some of my favorite movies...but if I had had HD-DVD I'd be saying the same thing.....


I'm still planning on a buying an hd-dvd player when I see a really really good deal....
I think this thing is still far from over....

Heck, with some of the hd-dvd deals around I think about buying some of the movies I like up while they are cheap before the war becomes obsolete....

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
My shock in all of this and only source of initial frustration was that they could make such a bad decision. Had Warner stayed neutral, BR was doomed. Warner just effectively bailed them out based on one statistic......percentage of discs sold this year.

That is good stuff man....BR, which has sold more disks and and more players, was doomed?

Last June, HD DVD standalones had 60% marketshare...in October, their marketshare was at 53%...as of December 20, it was 49%, an 11% drop in 6 months (even after the weekend of 11/02 where 90K $99 players were sold). You think shrinking marketshare is a positive sign that Warner should have used to pick HD DVD?

Warner was watching the disk sales to see if they coincided what should have been an increase in HD DVD standalone players since their prices were much lower than blu ray players. Since blu ray players (not even counting the PS3) outsold the HD DVD players, that software change in HD DVD's favor never happened...

Throughout the entire year of 2007, BD disks outsold HD DVD nearly 2:1 (like 65% to 34%). As of Nov, 4.0 million blu ray disks were sold compared to 2.5M HD DVD disks.

I don't understand how difficult it is to see why WB chose blu ray based on the hardware and software sales of 2007.

The denial in some of the HD DVD supporters on AVS and highdef forums over WB's decision is just amazing...

 

[jpeyton]

Major optical disc drive makers choosing Blu-Ray exclusively following the WB announcement.

Looks like cheaper PC drives are on the horizon.

It's interesting that even though WB HD-DVD titles will still be on the market as planned through May 2008, their announcement + media coverage of it has effectively killed HD-DVD in under 48 hours.

 

[Special K]

I'm interested to see how long it will take BD to overtake SD-DVD as the new standard in video. Weren't HD-DVD and BD sales combined only 1% of all DVD sales this past year? It seems like it could take awhile for BD to gain control of the entire DVD market.

I think DVD was a much bigger improvement over VHS than HD-DVD/BD was over DVD, so maybe it will take longer for SD-DVD to be replaced. Maybe BD will end up being a niche technology, and will never become fully adopted by the general public.

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Major optical disc drive makers choosing Blu-Ray exclusively following the WB announcement.

Looks like cheaper PC drives are on the horizon.

It's interesting that even though WB HD-DVD titles will still be on the market as planned through May 2008, their announcement + media coverage of it has effectively killed HD-DVD in under 48 hours.

it is possible they are under some contractual obligation to release these titles...it was stated that the HD DVD releases will be later than the standard DVD / Blu ray releases though...

unlike Paramount who just pulled the plug when they dropped blu ray...anyone who pre-ordered a paramount disk was given the shaft pretty much (blades of glory was released a few days after the Paramount decision was announced).

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Major optical disc drive makers choosing Blu-Ray exclusively following the WB announcement.

Looks like cheaper PC drives are on the horizon.

It's interesting that even though WB HD-DVD titles will still be on the market as planned through May 2008, their announcement + media coverage of it has effectively killed HD-DVD in under 48 hours.

Wow man. You mean you're like actively seeking this kind of news out there? Did this news like give you some boost of self-worth or make your p33n grow 2 inches or something? If so, I'm glad thye went with Blu Ray or you may have tossed yourself off a bridge.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Special K
I'm interested to see how long it will take BD to overtake SD-DVD as the new standard in video. Weren't HD-DVD and BD sales combined only 1% of all DVD sales this past year? It seems like it could take awhile for BD to gain control of the entire DVD market.

I think DVD was a much bigger improvement over VHS than HD-DVD/BD was over DVD, so maybe it will take longer for SD-DVD to be replaced. Maybe BD will end up being a niche technology, and will never become fully adopted by the general public.

The migration to HD content will happen as the market migrates to HD displays.

Also, the studios and hardware companies still make BANK on DVD media and hardware. They are not looking to kill their golden goose. But with DVD media/player ASPs hitting record lows, they need a new premium format to take over the higher ASPs.

As HDTVs become more mainstream, Blu-Ray prices will drop. It's the natural progression of all consumer electronics. Expensive in the early-adopter stage, cheaper when it hits mass market.

I remember when plasma HDTVs were all $3000+. Now you can get a stunning Panasonic 42" plasma for under $1000. People are gobbling up HDTVs at a record pace, and high definition movies are a major area of growth for the industry over the next 5 years.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Wow man. You mean you're like actively seeking this kind of news out there? Did this news like give you some boost of self-worth or make your p33n grow 2 inches or something? If so, I'm glad thye went with Blu Ray or you may have tossed yourself off a bridge.

Yes, I'm actively seeking industry news that impacts HDM.

What about you? Have you been in "media blackout" mode since Friday's bombshell?

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Wow man. You mean you're like actively seeking this kind of news out there? Did this news like give you some boost of self-worth or make your p33n grow 2 inches or something? If so, I'm glad thye went with Blu Ray or you may have tossed yourself off a bridge.

Yes, I'm actively seeking industry news that impacts HDM.

What about you? Have you been in "media blackout" mode since Friday's bombshell?

I've been living my life. Just like I was doing before the news.

You see, the sad thing about you is that you'll never get it. Just like your pathetic doom-and-gloom signature. You're so busy cheering for "your" team to win that you won't ever realize that you aren't really on either team and you aren't really winning anything. You think if the Democrats win the Presidential election that they are going to actually have your best interests in mind and won't do what they and the Republicans always do which is pander to the lobbyists and their capaign contributors and themselves? You think if Sony wins the Hi Def war that they're going to give you a cut? Are they going to refund part of the money you blew on a PS3? Nope, they're going to do what Toshiba would have done and maximize their profits by squeezing everything they can out of you and me. The only difference should BR win is that now the average joe has another year or two to wait before he can rationalize the expense of a Hi Def player and you won't be able to import films. Between rootkits, DRM, region coding, clunky java code, unfinalized specs that left early adopters out cold....you would have thought you'd have considered Toshiba the lesser of two evils, but your side was chosen for you wasn't it. Rock on.

 

[Xylitol]

Damn - I have hd-dvd

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Wow man. You mean you're like actively seeking this kind of news out there? Did this news like give you some boost of self-worth or make your p33n grow 2 inches or something? If so, I'm glad thye went with Blu Ray or you may have tossed yourself off a bridge.

Yes, I'm actively seeking industry news that impacts HDM.

What about you? Have you been in "media blackout" mode since Friday's bombshell?

I've been living my life. Just like I was doing before the news.

You see, the sad thing about you is that you'll never get it. Just like your pathetic doom-and-gloom signature. You're so busy cheering for "your" team to win that you won't ever realize that you aren't really on either team and you aren't really winning anything. You think if the Democrats win the Presidential election that they are going to actually have your best interests in mind and won't do what they and the Republicans always do which is pander to the lobbyists and their capaign contributors and themselves? You think if Sony wins the Hi Def war that they're going to give you a cut? Are they going to refund part of the money you blew on a PS3? Nope, they're going to do what Toshiba would have done and maximize their profits by squeezing everything they can out of you and me. The only difference should BR win is that now the average joe has another year or two to wait before he can rationalize the expense of a Hi Def player and you won't be able to import films. Between rootkits, DRM, region coding, clunky java code, unfinalized specs that left early adopters out cold....you would have thought you'd have considered Toshiba the lesser of two evils, but your side was chosen for you wasn't it. Rock on.

LOL, though you deny it. it's obvious from your posts that Blu-Ray winning the format world really rocked your world and not in aq good way. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

[spacejamz]

Originally posted by: Special K
I'm interested to see how long it will take BD to overtake SD-DVD as the new standard in video. Weren't HD-DVD and BD sales combined only 1% of all DVD sales this past year? It seems like it could take awhile for BD to gain control of the entire DVD market.

I think DVD was a much bigger improvement over VHS than HD-DVD/BD was over DVD, so maybe it will take longer for SD-DVD to be replaced. Maybe BD will end up being a niche technology, and will never become fully adopted by the general public.

you also didn't need a new TV to enjoy the benefits of upgrading from VHS to DVD either...

although HDTV penetration is growing, it while be awhile before BD catches DVD...

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Special K
I'm interested to see how long it will take BD to overtake SD-DVD as the new standard in video. Weren't HD-DVD and BD sales combined only 1% of all DVD sales this past year? It seems like it could take awhile for BD to gain control of the entire DVD market.

I think DVD was a much bigger improvement over VHS than HD-DVD/BD was over DVD, so maybe it will take longer for SD-DVD to be replaced. Maybe BD will end up being a niche technology, and will never become fully adopted by the general public.

The migration to HD content will happen as the market migrates to HD displays.

Also, the studios and hardware companies still make BANK on DVD media and hardware. They are not looking to kill their golden goose. But with DVD media/player ASPs hitting record lows, they need a new premium format to take over the higher ASPs.

As HDTVs become more mainstream, Blu-Ray prices will drop. It's the natural progression of all consumer electronics. Expensive in the early-adopter stage, cheaper when it hits mass market.

I remember when plasma HDTVs were all $3000+. Now you can get a stunning Panasonic 42" plasma for under $1000. People are gobbling up HDTVs at a record pace, and high definition movies are a major area of growth for the industry over the next 5 years.

I agree that the price of HD sets is dropping but that does not mean that people are going to be willing to replace that DVD collection. I'm still not 100% convinced that a disc format is the future of HD media. It is definitely a part of the present but while Blu-Ray has won the disc war they have definitely not won the HD media war yet.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
I agree that the price of HD sets is dropping but that does not mean that people are going to be willing to replace that DVD collection. I'm still not 100% convinced that a disc format is the future of HD media. It is definitely a part of the present but while Blu-Ray has won the disc war they have definitely not won the HD media war yet.

They don't have to. Upconverting HD players means they can keep the discs they have, and then transition over to the new format when they purchase new movies. With the upconverting players and HD sets, they'll be in decent shape.

 

[Kev]

The only reason I would rather Blu Ray win is because it's a lot less annoying than saying HDDVD

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Major optical disc drive makers choosing Blu-Ray exclusively following the WB announcement.

Looks like cheaper PC drives are on the horizon.

It's interesting that even though WB HD-DVD titles will still be on the market as planned through May 2008, their announcement + media coverage of it has effectively killed HD-DVD in under 48 hours.

Holy shit you're stupid - again. Re-read the article. The WB announcement didn't prompt any action from those drive makers.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Kev
The only reason I would rather Blu Ray win is because it's a lot less annoying than saying HDDVD

But it is much more annoying to read, thanks to the missing 'e'