warhammer MMO Review

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
I am not saying I hate it Anubis...I am saying that graphically WoW would be superior in the cartoony area and has been around for years now...there has got to be better cartoon character engines by now ...I mean, half the people were gliding on my screen.

yea something might be off in the beta

and WoW is getting a graphics update in Wrath, Dynamic Shadows look cool

yup, typically WoW gets a 30%~~ boost...not sure where I read that number, but it sounds/looks right when it went from classic to BC...LK looks much more interesting with those dynamic graphics.

It looks a bit better when I play the WOTLK beta, that's for sure.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Anubis
most people dont have an issue with the cartoony graphics, personally IMO the slightly cartoony graphics are better they trying to make everything super realistic

I agree, I actually prefer the cartoony graphics that are in WoW and WAR.

 

[drebo]

My biggest problem with Warhammer Online is that they made virtually every class a hybrid. Not every class needs magic spells and ranged damage. I started a Zealot (supposedly a healer) and I've yet to find the need to group yet, even in RvR. It's kind of disappointing. My hope was that they would have learned from DAoC that hybrid classes are bad for balance, bad for grouping, and bad for the game in general...they're weaker at everything than their main counterparts, and don't fit well into groups. Unfortunately, it looks like they've gone the complete oposite direction and made every class a hybrid.

Honestly, I think this, in addition to the fact that they copied WoW in almost every aspect of the game, will ultimately be the downfall of the game. It will get stale and the fact that people will not group because they don't need to and most people I've noticed prefer the "lone wolf" type of play (how dumb is that in an MMORPG?) will mean that large-scale RvR pretty much won't happen...and if it does, it'll be by accident as a mob.

DAoC got it right with the grouping dynamics. Unfortunately, it looks like Mythic was more interested in grabbing players from WoW than making a good, lasting game.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: drebo
My biggest problem with Warhammer Online is that they made virtually every class a hybrid. Not every class needs magic spells and ranged damage. I started a Zealot (supposedly a healer) and I've yet to find the need to group yet, even in RvR. It's kind of disappointing. My hope was that they would have learned from DAoC that hybrid classes are bad for balance, bad for grouping, and bad for the game in general...they're weaker at everything than their main counterparts, and don't fit well into groups. Unfortunately, it looks like they've gone the complete oposite direction and made every class a hybrid.

Honestly, I think this, in addition to the fact that they copied WoW in almost every aspect of the game, will ultimately be the downfall of the game. It will get stale and the fact that people will not group because they don't need to and most people I've noticed prefer the "lone wolf" type of play (how dumb is that in an MMORPG?) will mean that large-scale RvR pretty much won't happen...and if it does, it'll be by accident as a mob.

DAoC got it right with the grouping dynamics. Unfortunately, it looks like Mythic was more interested in grabbing players from WoW than making a good, lasting game.

quoted for dumbest post in the thread.

"rvr won't happen because every class is a hybrid" ???. just throw out that end game right now LOL.


why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

 

[KMFJD]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
I am not saying I hate it Anubis...I am saying that graphically WoW would be superior in the cartoony area and has been around for years now...there has got to be better cartoon character engines by now ...I mean, half the people were gliding on my screen.

I know it's beta, but damn the graphics where underwhelming , people gliding instead of running was kinda strange. Overall though i had a great time playing it yesterday, with so many people online i wasn't experiencing any lag at all, loved the fact you can queue up for pvp anywhere and are teleported to the battleground and back to your original location. Game play seems a little cluncky at the moment though, but had a lot of fun playing .

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: brandonb
They said the same thing about Age of Conan, and it failed.

Making a game exactly like WoW is not a good way to make a successful game. You need to be DIFFERENT, BETTER, and introduce a novel concept such as GAMEPLAY!

Until then.

I still have more fun playing EQ1 than anything introduced since oh lets say. 2001.

lol you obviously haven't played the game.

Which game? Warhammer? You're right. I haven't. But I've heard its just like WoW in a warhammer universe from all the beta players. With a little of DAoC RVR thrown in.

Sounds like a borefest to me.

 

[Beev]

Originally posted by: noto12ious
why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Quoted for being even more fucking stupid.

WoW has pvp content. Granted I don't care for it at all, but it exists, rendering your "0%" claim completely moot. Fucking fail.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: noto12ious
why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Quoted for being even more fucking stupid.

WoW has pvp content. Granted I don't care for it at all, but it exists, rendering your "0%" claim completely moot. Fucking fail.

if by pvp content you mean afk'ing in alterac valley for dated gladiator gear. lmfao.

or do you mean "balanced" arenas. hahaha.

wha? an ex gladiator dissing blizzard's pathetic fail of a pvp system?

go back to wow, pve'er. wow = zero pvp content. epic fail.

new rvr lake in blizzard expansion = who's copying who now?

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: Zeppelin2282

Originally posted by: brandonb
They said the same thing about Age of Conan, and it failed.

Making a game exactly like WoW is not a good way to make a successful game. You need to be DIFFERENT, BETTER, and introduce a novel concept such as GAMEPLAY!

Until then.

I still have more fun playing EQ1 than anything introduced since oh lets say. 2001.

lol you obviously haven't played the game.

Which game? Warhammer? You're right. I haven't. But I've heard its just like WoW in a warhammer universe from all the beta players. With a little of DAoC RVR thrown in.

Sounds like a borefest to me.

LOL. enjoy your large serving of crow.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: noto12ious
why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Quoted for being even more fucking stupid.

WoW has pvp content. Granted I don't care for it at all, but it exists, rendering your "0%" claim completely moot. Fucking fail.

if by pvp content you mean afk'ing in alterac valley for dated gladiator gear. lmfao.

or do you mean "balanced" arenas. hahaha.

wha? an ex gladiator dissing blizzard's pathetic fail of a pvp system?

go back to wow, pve'er. wow = zero pvp content. epic fail.

new rvr lake in blizzard expansion = who's copying who now?

are you 12? because you sure sound like an angry 12 year old

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: noto12ious
why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Quoted for being even more fucking stupid.

WoW has pvp content. Granted I don't care for it at all, but it exists, rendering your "0%" claim completely moot. Fucking fail.

if by pvp content you mean afk'ing in alterac valley for dated gladiator gear. lmfao.

or do you mean "balanced" arenas. hahaha.

wha? an ex gladiator dissing blizzard's pathetic fail of a pvp system?

go back to wow, pve'er. wow = zero pvp content. epic fail.

new rvr lake in blizzard expansion = who's copying who now?

are you 12? because you sure sound like an angry 12 year old

cool. in addition to putting a wow pve fangirl in her place?

guilty as charged. anything else?

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

quoted for dumbest post in the thread.

"rvr won't happen because every class is a hybrid" ???. just throw out that end game right now LOL.


why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Are you dense?

I said LARGE SCALE. As in keep sieges, town sieges, and other massive battles. They'll degenerate into a simple mob, rather than a tactical machine, because every class has healing and every class has ranged DPS. There's no incentive to group.

In DAoC, the incentive was "I'm a meat shield, I should find a caster to protect and a healer to heal me". Here, it's "Why bother grouping and share my arrpees when I can do everything anyway?" Without groups, you can't conviniently kill the objective bosses and it's incredibly difficult to put together a good attack force without balanced groups.

So, in short: yes, hybrids are bad for RvR.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: drebo

Originally posted by: noto12ious

quoted for dumbest post in the thread.

"rvr won't happen because every class is a hybrid" ???. just throw out that end game right now LOL.


why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Are you dense?

I said LARGE SCALE. As in keep sieges, town sieges, and other massive battles. They'll degenerate into a simple mob, rather than a tactical machine, because every class has healing and every class has ranged DPS. There's no incentive to group.

In DAoC, the incentive was "I'm a meat shield, I should find a caster to protect and a healer to heal me". Here, it's "Why bother grouping and share my arrpees when I can do everything anyway?" Without groups, you can't conviniently kill the objective bosses and it's incredibly difficult to put together a good attack force without balanced groups.

So, in short: yes, hybrids are bad for RvR.

you're an idiot. tanks still have their roles. healers still have their roles. dpsers still have their roles.

gosh darnit, what were all those siege battles in beta then? pure fiction, right!

you're the only zealot i know who's complained about having a damage spell. good ones at that. cry more.

 

[Beev]

noto12ious, for every person you call a Blizzard fanboy you are ten times more of a WAR fanboy. Your presence in this thread is completely useless.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Who the hell is this guy? He sounds like everything everyone has ever hated.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: noto12ious
why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Quoted for being even more fucking stupid.

WoW has pvp content. Granted I don't care for it at all, but it exists, rendering your "0%" claim completely moot. Fucking fail.

if by pvp content you mean afk'ing in alterac valley for dated gladiator gear. lmfao.

or do you mean "balanced" arenas. hahaha.

wha? an ex gladiator dissing blizzard's pathetic fail of a pvp system?

go back to wow, pve'er. wow = zero pvp content. epic fail.

new rvr lake in blizzard expansion = who's copying who now?

are you 12? because you sure sound like an angry 12 year old

cool. in addition to putting a wow pve fangirl in her place?

guilty as charged. anything else?

Um you didn?t put anyone in their place you just made yourself look like a moran. because you don?t happen to like what PVP is in wow currently does not mean it does not exist, AFKing in AV is pretty much a thing of the past, yes arenas are not balanced however if you go into them 100% not caring about winning they are quite fun

Also there are no womens in this thread

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Anubis
Also there are no womens in this thread

Much to my dismay!

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: drebo
My biggest problem with Warhammer Online is that they made virtually every class a hybrid. Not every class needs magic spells and ranged damage. I started a Zealot (supposedly a healer) and I've yet to find the need to group yet, even in RvR. It's kind of disappointing. My hope was that they would have learned from DAoC that hybrid classes are bad for balance, bad for grouping, and bad for the game in general...they're weaker at everything than their main counterparts, and don't fit well into groups. Unfortunately, it looks like they've gone the complete oposite direction and made every class a hybrid.

Honestly, I think this, in addition to the fact that they copied WoW in almost every aspect of the game, will ultimately be the downfall of the game. It will get stale and the fact that people will not group because they don't need to and most people I've noticed prefer the "lone wolf" type of play (how dumb is that in an MMORPG?) will mean that large-scale RvR pretty much won't happen...and if it does, it'll be by accident as a mob.

DAoC got it right with the grouping dynamics. Unfortunately, it looks like Mythic was more interested in grabbing players from WoW than making a good, lasting game.

A mob is just a disorganized group isn't it? When someone organizes a mob that'd be a guild and it's they who will often dominate RvR...imo

Also, I wasn't aware that every class is this similar.

It does sound as though they're trying to appease some WoW habits, i'll agree with ya there. That said, when such a large chunk of the gaming population is so accustomed to a style (of mmo) I can see baby steps being a reasonable philosophy. But we'll see how it pans out. Competition ftw.

 

[Chimley]

Simple forum mechanics: Come off as an abrasive asshole with your replies and watch the fishes get hooked. Solution: Don't eat the bait


I was in the Closed Beta. I probably didn't give the game a fair shake.. but my initial impressions weren't that great. It just felt like another "WoW" to me. I can see where this game may succeed as the "side-game" for WoW players who wants some more meat with their PvP.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Beev
noto12ious, for every person you call a Blizzard fanboy you are ten times more of a WAR fanboy. Your presence in this thread is completely useless.

sorry for putting you in your place, wow fangirl.

why were you even playing warhammer? you don't like rvr and enjoy pretty shaders and colors of wow, remember? :laugh:

my question remains: why are wow fangirls dissing a good pvp game's graphics? i guess to make themselves feel better about losing a good chunk of their player base.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Beev
noto12ious, for every person you call a Blizzard fanboy you are ten times more of a WAR fanboy. Your presence in this thread is completely useless.

sorry for putting you in your place, wow fangirl.

why were you even playing warhammer? you don't like rvr and enjoy pretty shaders and colors of wow, remember? :laugh:

my question remains: why are wow fangirls dissing a good pvp game's graphics? i guess to make themselves feel better about losing a good chunk of their player base.

Holy shit where did this guy come from?

 

[drebo]

Originally posted by: Malladine
A mob is just a disorganized group isn't it? When someone organizes a mob that'd be a guild and it's they who will often dominate RvR...imo

Not this again...

In DAoC, when the mob was organized, it was called a "battlegroup" which was, in effect, a group of groups. Guild affiliation never entered in to who could join the battle group. Some groups preferred to use people from their own guild, but they would open it up if there was a class they needed (such as a healer or a CC class).

In WAR, Mythic completely scrapped this dynamic in favor of something right out of WoW. They even scrapped the need to group at all. Healers don't need damage spells. They need healing spells so that tanks that don't have them will group with them.

Mythic desperately needs to do something to encourage grouping, otherwise the game is going to flop. Maybe not to the extent that AoC did, but it will flop.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: noto12ious

Originally posted by: Beev

Originally posted by: noto12ious
why are pve'ers chiming in about WoW graphics? that game has zero pvp content. fail.

Quoted for being even more fucking stupid.

WoW has pvp content. Granted I don't care for it at all, but it exists, rendering your "0%" claim completely moot. Fucking fail.

if by pvp content you mean afk'ing in alterac valley for dated gladiator gear. lmfao.

or do you mean "balanced" arenas. hahaha.

wha? an ex gladiator dissing blizzard's pathetic fail of a pvp system?

go back to wow, pve'er. wow = zero pvp content. epic fail.

new rvr lake in blizzard expansion = who's copying who now?

are you 12? because you sure sound like an angry 12 year old

cool. in addition to putting a wow pve fangirl in her place?

guilty as charged. anything else?

Um you didn?t put anyone in their place you just made yourself look like a moran. because you don?t happen to like what PVP is in wow currently does not mean it does not exist, AFKing in AV is pretty much a thing of the past, yes arenas are not balanced however if you go into them 100% not caring about winning they are quite fun

Also there are no womens in this thread

sorry, it's a fact that good pvp doesn't exist. also, where's the war in warcraft?
notice how the wow fangirls couldn't counter anything i said.

again, who's copying who with the rvr lake in wotlk? lmfao.

btw, i still afk in av with the accounts i move horde base ftw? easy money.

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: drebo

Originally posted by: Malladine
A mob is just a disorganized group isn't it? When someone organizes a mob that'd be a guild and it's they who will often dominate RvR...imo

Not this again...

In DAoC, when the mob was organized, it was called a "battlegroup" which was, in effect, a group of groups. Guild affiliation never entered in to who could join the battle group. Some groups preferred to use people from their own guild, but they would open it up if there was a class they needed (such as a healer or a CC class).

In WAR, Mythic completely scrapped this dynamic in favor of something right out of WoW. They even scrapped the need to group at all. Healers don't need damage spells. They need healing spells so that tanks that don't have them will group with them.

Mythic desperately needs to do something to encourage grouping, otherwise the game is going to flop. Maybe not to the extent that AoC did, but it will flop.

you're in the minority if you only want healers heal. what is this, 1990?

mythic has stated healers will be doing much more, and the beta testers agreed. if you can't handle it, tough.


edit: and no grouping in mass scale rvr? wtf? ever play daoc?

 

[noto12ious]

Originally posted by: Chimley
Simple forum mechanics: Come off as an abrasive asshole with your replies and watch the fishes get hooked. Solution: Don't eat the bait


I was in the Closed Beta. I probably didn't give the game a fair shake.. but my initial impressions weren't that great. It just felt like another "WoW" to me. I can see where this game may succeed as the "side-game" for WoW players who wants some more meat with their PvP.

oh come on, i'm not that bad.

i just put these wow fangirls in their place.

notice how they can't even respond to the lake wintergrasp question.

who's copying who now?