War Thunder - F2P Combat Flight MMO

[Genx87]

For arcade the mouse is simply better. I wouldnt even want to use a joystick due to how easy mouse look is to see where your enemy is when rolling around.

 

[lupi]

I loved the torpedo bombing tutorial, disappointed as it looks like they're not in the game anytime soon.

Played about half a dozen games in the peashooter, my god anything else out there far outclasses that POS. My standard end of match line would look lik 2 Kills, 3 NPC kills, 3 deaths. Other than flying the actual plan in mission, and mostly understanding the research paths, a lot of non explained details that need to be looked up.

 

[Genx87]

Play the brits or russian starter planes. I found the American and Germans to be tougher as you get to know the game.

 

[Elcs]

I loved the torpedo bombing tutorial, disappointed as it looks like they're not in the game anytime soon.

Torps are in the game. I occasionally use them on certain planes or maps.

 

[Elcs]

War Thunder 1.29 Patch Preview

 

[Genx87]

Played my first historical battle tonight. And have to say I liked it

 

[Genx87]

Update 1.29

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/22412-war-thunder-update-129/page-0

Beaufighters get a flight model. I expect tears to be flowing over this one.

 

[KMFJD]

Update 1.29

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/22412-war-thunder-update-129/page-0

Beaufighters get a flight model. I expect tears to be flowing over this one.

I've been doing pretty good with the Beaufighter since the patch (as a bomber)

 

[Genx87]

Reading the forum it sounds like the tears are all about the economy changes. Have to admit what I am reading sounds pretty drastic.

 

[ZaneNBK]

Reading the forum it sounds like the tears are all about the economy changes. Have to admit what I am reading sounds pretty drastic.

Yeah, basically halving the income and quadrupling the cost of higher tier planes suck. For the math challenged that works out to an 8x increase. It was already a bit grindy to buy those planes anyway and if you wanted to upgrade the crew you had to the original purchase price again (or close to it) to do so. As some have pointed out the cost to buy a 1.2 million lion plane works out to about 15 euros or ~$19 USD in gold eagles. That sucks.

Hopefully they lower the plane prices quickly.

 

[Elcs]

Yeah, basically halving the income and quadrupling the cost of higher tier planes suck. For the math challenged that works out to an 8x increase. It was already a bit grindy to buy those planes anyway and if you wanted to upgrade the crew you had to the original purchase price again (or close to it) to do so. As some have pointed out the cost to buy a 1.2 million lion plane works out to about 15 euros or ~$19 USD in gold eagles. That sucks.

Hopefully they lower the plane prices quickly.

Not sure they've tweaked income but I notice how the severe reduction in repair costs or free repair times was missed.

Plus, tomorrow has a new special with -% prices for planes.

Too much crying in general about this patch.

 

[clamum]

I haven't played the game in awhile; I take it the patch is live now? I'll have to check it out, maybe tonight.

 

[Kalmah]

I haven't played in a while either. I did throw $20 at it to get a few planes. I won't enjoy not being able to play those planes that I paid for because I can't afford repair costs. But, I haven't played it with this patch yet so none of this is certain I suppose.

 

[ZaneNBK]

It sounds like the economy is in the shitter from the posts on the WT boards, but I haven't played 1.29 myself at all yet so I can't confirm or deny the problems. I'm going to wait a few days for Gaijin to implement some hotfixes and then check it out.

 

[Elcs]

The patch is now live (has been for over 24 hours at time of posting)

The economy is now a little more awkward than it was.

Most planes have greatly increased in cost (Tempest at Rank 14 went from around 350k Lions to 1.2mil Lions).
Repair Costs have been significantly reduced and with it, free repair times have been reduced too (Lancaster Mk III Rank 16 was ~36k or ~5.5 days to repair with 80 Repair Speed crew. Now ~26k or 2.5 days to repair with the same crew)
Lion and Exp rewards have been reduced for lower tiers so Biplanes/Rank 1 planes are not the absolute printing presses they once were.
Bombing angle limits have been introduced for some planes so that you cannot drop bombs if you're trying to divebomb in a Lancaster
They've messed around with the bombing aim in standard 3rd person view so it will appear at different angles for different planes (ie. Stuka's were divebombers so you need to be going almost 90 degrees to get your bomb crosshair. Big bombers have to be close to vertical or about +-30 degrees to get it but need to use free cam to see it)

It's fun and infuriating. I cannot get ahold of it properly. They have a sale on planes right now, pushing them down to better but still 'highish' prices.

They've added a WoT-style x2 exp to the first victory of the day for each nation which is alright, no-one really forces the issue so it's not bad.

Patch days in MMO#s are always filled with crap, overreactions and many other things. I'm still having fun

 

[Rinaun]

Man, I thought EA was good at ruining great games. This patch is terrible; not even the small design changes make sense. I've seen actual physics bugs now compared to last patch when it had virtually no physics bugs. The new UI changes are atrocious (someone with no GUI experience designed it), they are ruining their own economy by making it a straight grind when it already felt like a grind, making biplanes return substantially less points, and making their endgame increasing pay to play. $50 in points for a endgame jet? Who would fly it out of risk of having to repair it? It doesn't even have US servers yet and they are already drastically changing the way the game plays and how the economy functions in incredibly bad ways. WT is looking less like a rival of World of Warplanes, and more like World of Warplanes: War Thunder.

Time to move on I guess. It was fun while it lasted!

 

[Elcs]

Man, I thought EA was good at ruining great games. This patch is terrible; not even the small design changes make sense. I've seen actual physics bugs now compared to last patch when it had virtually no physics bugs. The new UI changes are atrocious (someone with no GUI experience designed it), they are ruining their own economy by making it a straight grind when it already felt like a grind, making biplanes return substantially less points, and making their endgame increasing pay to play. $50 in points for a endgame jet? Who would fly it out of risk of having to repair it? It doesn't even have US servers yet and they are already drastically changing the way the game plays and how the economy functions in incredibly bad ways. WT is looking less like a rival of World of Warplanes, and more like World of Warplanes: War Thunder.

Time to move on I guess. It was fun while it lasted!

One patch in a beta and it's the end of the world as we know it.

Reminds me of MWO/WoT/Almost every other MMO or MMO-like I've ever played.

 

[Rinaun]

One patch in a beta and it's the end of the world as we know it.

Reminds me of MWO/WoT/Almost every other MMO or MMO-like I've ever played.

I don't think I'm worried about it being "one patch". I'm more worried they have actively said the changes are intentional and will continue to head in the direction they have been for the last two patches. They've already confirmed changes to grinding and arcade mode by doing this same thing last patch, just not nearly as much. They nerfed difficulty a few weeks ago, and I felt that it was fairly perfect at 1.28's EXP rates. Some of the changes in arcade are nice (more flight models, more realistic diving up/down) but making planes die in 3 shots just aggravates people and prevents dogfights from ever happening. The UI changes are terrible. If you argue the new UI is better then you clearly have no clue how functional UIs work. Even the grid that comes up after you queue is designed horribly. I literally could take a pen and draw a better table than the crap they came up with.

Also, it's a beta that has the option to buy a weeks worth of EXP boost, plus the options of me investing money into planes that don't even have flight models. Please let me know of any beta F2P that allows you to spend money on EXPENDABLES before the title was actually released. I'd love to see the list. Buying a EXP pass at the moment would be paying to test their game. Half the items for sale in War Thunder aren't even completely finished. By offering items and essentially the whole game to the market, you can't reliably use the "OH ITS A BETA BALANCE WILL COME" argument. I think the only time the "It's a beta" argument flies with me is if it's a closed beta. Once you go open beta, expect to have your priorities in line or else your game will be accused of being poopy. I don't care if you tack beta at the end.

 

[Genx87]

I only got in a single game last night due to really bad lag. The reduction in credits was noticeable. Think I usually made about 15-20 credits a match in Soviet reserve planes. Last night was only about 9K. I didnt get a chance to look at the costs of planes or try anything higher. For some reason I recieved a large increase in credits. I dont remember seeing anything about refunds. But my credit total went from about 200K to 460K.

 

[Rinaun]

Whats worse is they still didn't fix anything regarding starter planes being able to destroy any plane not boom and zooming. This game is just getting destroyed in terms of its play-ability :/

 

[Elcs]

For some reason I recieved a large increase in credits. I dont remember seeing anything about refunds. But my credit total went from about 200K to 460K.

Seems that they have added some extra achievements to the game which give you XP/Lions which you received when you logged in. I went from ~100k to ~800k.

 

[Genx87]

Whats worse is they still didn't fix anything regarding starter planes being able to destroy any plane not boom and zooming. This game is just getting destroyed in terms of its play-ability :/

Which planes are getting destroyed by bi-planes? The only planes I fly that have issues with bi-planes are my hurricanes. Because they arent fast enough to simply fly away. But they are also T2 and T4 I believe. The further up the ladder I go the less relevant bi-lanes are. None of my BF109s have problems with bi-planes if they run across them. But I smiply take a pass at them and keep flying leaving them in my dust.

If you are going to try and get into a turning match with a bi-plane. I dont care what level plane you have. You will get in trouble because bi-planes turn on a dime. I would think that is more realistic than anything. I dont think many pilots in WWII if going up against a bi-plane would enter in combat tactics that favors the bi-plane.

 

[Genx87]

Seems that they have added some extra achievements to the game which give you XP/Lions which you received when you logged in. I went from ~100k to ~800k.

Interesting. I will look for that tonight.

 

[ZaneNBK]

I see a lot of people complaining about planes being sluggish now. I wonder how much of that is because the game now limits you to a minimum of 20 minutes of fuel so people can't abuse the unlimited fuel in arcade by setting their fuel to 5 minutes.

 

[Rinaun]

Which planes are getting destroyed by bi-planes? The only planes I fly that have issues with bi-planes are my hurricanes. Because they arent fast enough to simply fly away. But they are also T2 and T4 I believe. The further up the ladder I go the less relevant bi-lanes are. None of my BF109s have problems with bi-planes if they run across them. But I smiply take a pass at them and keep flying leaving them in my dust.

If you are going to try and get into a turning match with a bi-plane. I dont care what level plane you have. You will get in trouble because bi-planes turn on a dime. I would think that is more realistic than anything. I dont think many pilots in WWII if going up against a bi-plane would enter in combat tactics that favors the bi-plane.

What's happening is some planes don't have flight models finished; they don't have realistic flight patterns/ "feels". For example, I just had a match against a few F2A bots while inside a tier 8 japan fighter. No matter how hard I tried, if I started the fight at equal speeds, 9/10 they could climb or match my speed in a level flight at 100 altitude, 1k, and 1.5k. I was gaining maybe 0.01 per 7 seconds, not moving and straight line flight at 1k altitude. That makes NO sense.

I ended up just alt f4ing the game because it was becoming such a joke. I then asked in general and it was confirmed they haven't finished that planes model yet. They are selling content for the game, monthly premium accounts, etc while the game itself is in open beta. Quite a few planes in the game don't even have remotely correct stats/hitboxes.

Classy!

Edit: I'm also finding this patch added a huge amount of bugs, such as when repairing a plane at a runway sometimes the plane will be DRASTICALLY slower after repair. I had a tier 7 fighter, lost a wing, repaired and could never get above 380 km/h without losing it in a level flight. Maybe just a weird bug, but I've noticed tons of other little quirks.