War on Christianity

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: jaydee
Seriously dude, back off. Isla is one of the most respected people here, so you're only shooting yourself in the foot.

The "apparent anti christian/catholic senitment either in the media or society" != persecution and that's what was trying to be said here. Is there a bent against Christians in America today? Ya, I feel that way sometimes. Do I feel persecuted? Not even remotely. If you let every single thing said against every institution you happen to be a part of in a country blessed with the freedom of speech, you're going to be in for some tough living.

The repetitive anti-Christian sentiment is persecution. It's not as bad as being hunted in the streets, but there's no denying it exists.

Persecute:
1 : to harass in a manner designed to injure, grieve, or afflict; specifically : to cause to suffer because of belief
2 : to annoy with persistent or urgent approaches (as attacks, pleas, or importunities) : PESTER

Well there he goes again playing the Martyr Card.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Ozoned
Forcing people to abide by a certain religious belief is against many laws. That can be dealt with. That blows that part of your argument out of the water. The other part is exactly the same as current agenda of homosexual's.

I am neither a Christian fundamentalist or a homosexual, and as such, if I fall from my LIMB, I don't get hurt.


You have been very vocal on this forum in condemning anyone with the slightest argument against homosexuality. Most of the time labeling them as a bigot.

Where is your tolerance for the Christian fundamentalists?

Oh yea, keep it in the closet.


"Keep thy religion to thyself".

So, is there a problem with your argument, or are you a bigot?

Ah, here comes that fallacious argument that being intolerant of the intolerant equals bigotry.

:roll:


By your logic, people fighting for the civil rights of blacks back in the 50s/60s were bigoted against the bigots.

I have found in every Christian I have ever met ( and I have met a lot) , extreme tolerance of everything. Sure, they are very vocal about their beliefs, but so are you.

I suppose that I could be wrong about my opinion.

But by the definition of the word Bigot, and your opinion of christian fundamentalists, and your unwillingness to sway from your position.......Well, there you go.

That's wonderful that you are surrounded by such a tolerant group of christians. That, however, is not the case with a large portion of christians. I've had the misfurtune of meeting many fellow christians that were extremely intolerant and prejudice. I have many examples. I have a freind that had a child out of wedlock when she was a teenager. Was that poor judgement? absolutely! But rather than shower that girl with love and help her through a difficult time, they shunned her like sin was contagiuos and told her mom, she should be kicked out of the house. Another lady, I met preached that we are dealing with the conflict in the middle east because we disobeyed god and didn't kill off the muslims in biblical times. I've had the misfurtune to be in several congregations where I've watched people there that asked questions, real thougth provoking questions, get labeled as the unfathful and shunned becuase they would not accept every word spoken by their preacher as absolute truth without question. Unfortunately, these are the poepe by which christianity is judged by the rest of the world. We have to openly and unconditionly stop making escuses and getting defensive so that we can start condemn this behavior as UNCHRISTIAN. Its poeple like that that scare Conjur and invoke such a strond anti christian reaction from him. To be honest, they scare me.

I also, don't believe your comparison that christians enforcing blue laws and homosexuals recieving gay marriage is a valid one. Blue Laws restrict and affect what all of us are allowed to do. The right to gay marriage doesn't restrict or control my behavior. I understand the, the christian right's desire to keep marriage sacred as a bond for the union of man and woman, but we also need to recognise the need to provide rights to the partners of gays. Personally, I don't believe that marriage shouldn't even be inlfuenced or issued by the government as it is deeply tied to your personal beliefs and religion.

Also, to call ourselved persucted is the most ridiculour statement I've ever heard. If we're persecuted, then the muslims in this country are in a holocaust. Opposition to one's beliefs does not equal persecution. To use the word persecution to describe the current situation is an insult to the plight the christians under went in Rome. That was persecution. A few unflattering words by the media is not.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: bozack

Originally posted by: Isla
Feeling persecuted is a sign of schizophrenia.

Honestly, MANY churches use the whole 'war on Christianity' spiel as a way to 'unite'. All it does is make you feel more that the world is all "us" against "them".

Please don't buy into that social brainwashing crap.

Oh please,

Anyone who does not notice the apparent anti christian/catholic senitment either in the media or society is either a hermit and cut off from all communication, ignorant, or unqilling to realise they themselves have a predisposition against said religion and feel there is nothing wrong with the current stance of society and or media.

And while the current happenings in either the pastors lives and or the proponents of said religions views may very well play a part...unfortunately it goes a bit deeper than that....however it could be tied to the "everyone loves to hate/criticise) the most popular phenom...or the most popular/public is the easiest to show flaw....

While there is some anti-Christian sentiment, it's from a small minority as 83% of Americans are Christian and there's far more pushing of Christianity. Off the top of my head:

1. Children are required to support Christianity in the Pledge of Allegiance.
2. Christian slogans are printed on American currency and coins.
3. Both political parties and nearly all American public officials continually pledge their support of Christianity (Bush I even said atheists should not be considered patriots or even real American citizens)
4. People testifying in court take an oath on a Christian Bible as do public officials being sworn into office.
5. Major Christian holidays like Christmas are generally given as time off with pay in most jobs.
6. A wide range of Christian TV and radio stations exist in almost every market.
7. Our language is filled with references to Christianity from "God bless you" to "Acts of God."
8. Christian churches can be easily found in almost every town, small or large.
9. Various Christian Bibles are readily available almost everywhere, from Christian bookstores to hotel rooms.
10. Large networks of Christian private schools exist in every state of the US.

If that kind of dominance is considered persecution, there are plenty of other groups who would be happy to experience a similar fate.

 

[judasmachine]

Most are good ppl. as in Islam, Buddhism, Spiritism, Wicca, Druidism, Shintoism, Hinduism, etc. However, it's when those good ppl feel threatened do they do silly stuff. I do have a problem with Christianity though, and it stems from the fact that it's beleivers used it to ruin the culture of my forefathers. We were dirty, and savage, and had to be converted, cleaned, and clothed. All in the name of some religious zealots who came and stole land, committed genocide, and systematically destroyed an entire culture, and haven't stopped yet.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Are you really a Christian? I've noticed a lot of people call themselves Christians even though they really aren't. E.g., CHrist advocated living a simple life and said rich people would not go to heaven. Protestant nuts like GWB have tried to weasel out of that to support their worship of mammon. In essence, they are non christians.

Christ had noble ideals, the only problem is the people that pretent to represent him dont' follow any of them.

Way to prove you have absolutely no knowledge of Christianity. I'm glad it doesn't stop you from speaking so authoritativly though.

Just because you say I have no knowledge doesn't make it so. The bible says it is hard for a rich man to get into heaven. Jesus lived a simple life with no interest in material wealth.

WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY BEING RICH IS COOL WITH JESUS?

Step up and cite some verses if you think you know so much. :roll:

Let me guess, you're another protestant who buys the crap about accumulating wealth for the glory of god? None of that crap is sanctioned by words in the bible. Keep deluding yourself that it's okay to lead a shallow empty materialistic life and live the way Jesus wanted. :thumbsdown:

Jesus threw the Pharisees out of the church over money. I think this fact is overlooked alot.

 

[Moonbeam]

Religion is what happens to real knowledge when fools get a hold of it.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: cquark

While there is some anti-Christian sentiment, it's from a small minority as 83% of Americans are Christian and there's far more pushing of Christianity. Off the top of my head:

1. Children are required to support Christianity in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Is that a requirement still? I thought it was completely voluntary now, or perhaps I have that confused with prayer.

2. Christian slogans are printed on American currency and coins.

True, maybe that should be removed.

3. Both political parties and nearly all American public officials continually pledge their support of Christianity (Bush I even said atheists should not be considered patriots or even real American citizens)

I have no problem with this. If that is part of their beliefs and values, they are free to express them. The Bush quote seems stupid, but I have never seen that before, so I don't know how accurate that is.

4. People testifying in court take an oath on a Christian Bible as do public officials being sworn into office.

Agreed that this should probably be removed/replaced.

5. Major Christian holidays like Christmas are generally given as time off with pay in most jobs.

Meh.. we have several holidays off a year. Most have been watered down from their religious origins into a more general holiday (Winter Holiday, etc.) We also get July 4th, Thanksgiving, and Labor Day. Does anyone complain about the "push" of these beliefs onto the populous?

6. A wide range of Christian TV and radio stations exist in almost every market.

You can't really complain about that, no more than you complain that PlayboyTV or The Spice Channel is "pushing" pornography upon us. There is a market for such and it is only natural that the need by filled as necessary.

7. Our language is filled with references to Christianity from "God bless you" to "Acts of God."

Again, this is not really a "push" of any agenda, just things taking their natural course.

8. Christian churches can be easily found in almost every town, small or large.
9. Various Christian Bibles are readily available almost everywhere, from Christian bookstores to hotel rooms.
10. Large networks of Christian private schools exist in every state of the US.

See #6.


These 'anti-Christian' sentiments may be the minority, but they may seem very prominent on the internet. Partly because "the web" really has no grounding in any political/religious/idealogical beliefs, and partly because the vocal majority of the internet is probably made up of younger, more socially liberal individuals.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Jesus threw the Pharisees out of the church over money. I think this fact is overlooked alot.

I think that it is perhaps an over-simplification of the matter to say that it was 'over money.' I don't have any text at my fingertips, but maybe it was more complicated than that. Perhaps it was the greed of the Pharisees or the fact that they were conducting transactions in a Church.

I would argue that money isn't inheritantly 'bad," but rather greed and the 'love' of money. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Maybe I should give up all my worldy possesions and take my family on the road with nothing but the clothes on my back and trust in faith to keep us fed and healthy. I hope not, however, as I have no plans to do that.

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: cquark

While there is some anti-Christian sentiment, it's from a small minority as 83% of Americans are Christian and there's far more pushing of Christianity. Off the top of my head:

1. Children are required to support Christianity in the Pledge of Allegiance.

Is that a requirement still? I thought it was completely voluntary now, or perhaps I have that confused with prayer.

Yes, there was just a Supreme Court case on this subject. You might be thinking of school prayer, which is voluntary today, as you suggest.

2. Christian slogans are printed on American currency and coins.

True, maybe that should be removed.

3. Both political parties and nearly all American public officials continually pledge their support of Christianity (Bush I even said atheists should not be considered patriots or even real American citizens)

I have no problem with this. If that is part of their beliefs and values, they are free to express them. The Bush quote seems stupid, but I have never seen that before, so I don't know how accurate that is.

Google it. I remember when it happened.

I agree that they're free to express such views, but with such Christian dominance of political speech of both parties, it's hard to argue that Christians are a persecuted group.

4. People testifying in court take an oath on a Christian Bible as do public officials being sworn into office.

Agreed that this should probably be removed/replaced.

5. Major Christian holidays like Christmas are generally given as time off with pay in most jobs.

Meh.. we have several holidays off a year. Most have been watered down from their religious origins into a more general holiday (Winter Holiday, etc.) We also get July 4th, Thanksgiving, and Labor Day. Does anyone complain about the "push" of these beliefs onto the populous?

You might find a different opinion if you asked a Jewish or pagan person about their holidays, though Winter Solstice does fall under winter breaks at some places in some years. If you've ever been required to work on Christmas at a 24x7 shop because you weren't Christian and thus didn't need the day off according to your management, you might be more skeptical about how non-religious "winter break" is too. Thanksgiving has religious connotations, but the other two aren't religious in any way and so aren't directly relevant to the discussion, though I have heard political complaints about each.

6. A wide range of Christian TV and radio stations exist in almost every market.

You can't really complain about that, no more than you complain that PlayboyTV or The Spice Channel is "pushing" pornography upon us. There is a market for such and it is only natural that the need by filled as necessary.

7. Our language is filled with references to Christianity from "God bless you" to "Acts of God."

Again, this is not really a "push" of any agenda, just things taking their natural course.

8. Christian churches can be easily found in almost every town, small or large.
9. Various Christian Bibles are readily available almost everywhere, from Christian bookstores to hotel rooms.
10. Large networks of Christian private schools exist in every state of the US.

See #6.

While you may argue that such characteristics of the US aren't evidence of pushing Christianity on people, they are evidence against Christians being a persecuted group, which was my primary point, though perhaps I didn't make that focus as clear as I could've.

These 'anti-Christian' sentiments may be the minority, but they may seem very prominent on the internet. Partly because "the web" really has no grounding in any political/religious/idealogical beliefs, and partly because the vocal majority of the internet is probably made up of younger, more socially liberal individuals.

I agree that the web may be noticeably less Christian than the US as a whole, but for that reason and others, anti-Christian sentiment on the web isn't indicative of a general persecution of Christians.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: cquark
I agree that the web may be noticeably less Christian than the US as a whole, but for that reason and others, anti-Christian sentiment on the web isn't indicative of a general persecution of Christians.

:thumbsup:

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Jesus threw the Pharisees out of the church over money. I think this fact is overlooked alot.

I think that it is perhaps an over-simplification of the matter to say that it was 'over money.' I don't have any text at my fingertips, but maybe it was more complicated than that. Perhaps it was the greed of the Pharisees or the fact that they were conducting transactions in a Church.

I would argue that money isn't inheritantly 'bad," but rather greed and the 'love' of money. Maybe I'm wrong, though. Maybe I should give up all my worldy possesions and take my family on the road with nothing but the clothes on my back and trust in faith to keep us fed and healthy. I hope not, however, as I have no plans to do that.

Heh, I wouldn't even go that far. Yeah it is an over simplification. But why I said it actually stems from my boss dragging me to a Rotary Club meeting. They prayed, they pledged, I respectfully bowed my head, and was silent. However later when I got to talking to them, I got the distinct impression (later backed up by a literal statement) that they go to church because it's good for business. I'm by no means saying that all are like this group, however I have met modern day Pharisees and they are all staunch Christian Republicans. My boss who is a Veternarian has told me numerous times that he and his friends consider much of the Bible nonsense, and he believes that we descended from apes or ape like creatures. This to say the least didn't help my impression of Christianity either, aside from the fact that they all but wiped out my people in the name of progress, jesus, and all that is 'right.'

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: eigen

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: eigen
Try this one: "If committing your heart and soul to Christ is the only way to get into heaven, and there was this little boy in a foreign contry who had never been taught about Jesus, but nevertheless, was a very kind and Christ-like individual who eventually dies by sacrificing his life to save a bus load of missionaries on the way to preach the gospel, would that boy be denied from heaven because he didn't get baptised and name Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior?"
And the preacher answers "Yes, the boy will burn for eternity in the fires of hell if he does not know Jesus."
True story. Took me a long while to realize that that guy was not indicative of the ENTIRE religion, fortunately.

First off, he's wrong. There are a few spots in the Bible that mention you are only responsible for what you have learned. If you never heard about God, that's one thing. Vastly different from most first-world countries.

Second, the whole burn-in-hell-forever thing is also not Biblical. It's a crying shame that one particular not-quite-but-almost-Christian religion took Christianity and royally screwed it up. They even messed with the day of worship and the ten commandments. And now people are stuck with the bad data they've spread, such as going to heaven or hell immediately upon death - eternal suffering in hell, who GOES to hell and who doesn't... It's spectacularly cock-eyed. And there's always some egomaniac who finds one obscure verse and twists it totally out of context and can create a whole church based on it. (Such as the a church of "channeling" speaker-of-tongues, or mysterious disappearance before Christ comes back (secret rapture) *forced* evangelism door-to-door, or even believing you can become a "god" yourself.) Each example has a VERY prominent church behind it, and each one is a tiny piece of text taken out of context. If one were to read the Bible in its entirety, you would notice consistencies throughout, including day of worship, state of the dead and so on. I wonder how these churches survive... they must read half a verse and then call out "NOW SLAM THOSE BIBLES SHUT! STOP READING RIGHT THERE!!"


This is just one aspect of why many people reject Christianity (and/or all religion in general) - they see it as no-intelligence-required "just do what I tell you" mentality. Even the Bible warns you to question what you are told, and challenge it. I wish more people would.

Of course, snippets of bad data persist elsewhere, such as evolution, aliens, and government conspiracies.
Well... the last one is quite likely.

 

[plastick]

I'm a Christian.

But I try to keep things simple... There about 50 posts here that I want to reply to ..but I know that all my best posting efforts would be futile...

I will say though, that many times we Christians should just choose to say nothing in this type of arguement. Then there wouldnt be an offensive arguement, but a peaceful discussion where people could actually recieve the others comments and ideas without getting offended... People could see whats true and judge for themselves based on how we live our lives and not have to go by a lot of the foolish talk that just comes out of our mouths at the wrong times. Sometimes saying nothing is the best thing to do. Otherwise we can just make things worse for the people we are supposed to love and help.

I dont know.... does anyone know what I mean?

 

[DAGTA]

I haven't read this entire thread so I may be repeating someone.

The idea of a War on Christianity (really, all religions) is not new but it is gaining momentum. Those of you that believe, re-read your gospels and the book of Revelation. This was foretold.

Immediately after the events of 9/11/2001, some people wrote in letters to large newspapers suggesting that all religions be banned in the United States. Obviously this would have prevented the terrorist attacks (sarcasm there). Jerry Jenkins, a Christian author, took this idea and created a new series of books based on 'what-if' this were to happen. The first book is named Soon.

-DAGTA

 

[cquark]

Originally posted by: DAGTA
I haven't read this entire thread so I may be repeating someone.

The idea of a War on Christianity (really, all religions) is not new but it is gaining momentum. Those of you that believe, re-read your gospels and the book of Revelation. This was foretold.

Immediately after the events of 9/11/2001, some people wrote in letters to large newspapers suggesting that all religions be banned in the United States. Obviously this would have prevented the terrorist attacks (sarcasm there). Jerry Jenkins, a Christian author, took this idea and created a new series of books based on 'what-if' this were to happen. The first book is named Soon.

-DAGTA

I've never seen such letters or any references to them. What's your source? Do you really think a few letters to that editor are very indicative of our society or influential on its direction?

It's worth noting also that some prominent Christians blamed 9/11 on a lack of Christian beliefs in the U.S. Jerry Falwell said "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen."

 

[Red Dawn]

Religious Zealots can't stand criticism. When they are subject to it they inevitably say they are being persecuted.

 

[plastick]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Religious Zealots can't stand criticism. When they are subject to it they inevitably say they are being persecuted.

Hehe... I know exactly what you mean. I kinda used to be that way.. But God lead me out of that and gave me a humble heart.

As I mentioned above.. We need to learn when to be quiet and just swallow it.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Religious Zealots can't stand criticism. When they are subject to it they inevitably say they are being persecuted.

Sometimes, perhaps - especially those who are quite insecure about it.

Then there's the dead-set atheists who wig-out if they so much as hear the word "God" in anything other than a swear/curse.

"DON'T SHOVE YOUR RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT!!" ... usually when it's certainly not the case.
Voicing their athiestic opinions far louder than the Christian who was talking quietly to his family in the first place. (Yes, I'm talking about public places where loud-mouths have done exactly that.)

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: bluemax

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Religious Zealots can't stand criticism. When they are subject to it they inevitably say they are being persecuted.

Sometimes, perhaps - especially those who are quite insecure about it.

Then there's the dead-set atheists who wig-out if they so much as hear the word "God" in anything other than a swear/curse.

"DON'T SHOVE YOUR RELIGION DOWN MY THROAT!!" ... usually when it's certainly not the case.
Voicing their athiestic opinions far louder than the Christian who was talking quietly to his family in the first place. (Yes, I'm talking about public places where loud-mouths have done exactly that.)

I'm not arguing that there are not zealots on both sides!

 

[plastick]

That is why all of us need to learn how to love and respect one another.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: plastick
That is why all of us need to learn how to love and respect one another.

It's funny...I seem to remember somthing about Jesus saying that in some book or something. I think it was the Bible. Pity there are a lot of "Christians" out there who seem to have been reading another book.

 

[bluemax]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: plastick
That is why all of us need to learn how to love and respect one another.

It's funny...I seem to remember somthing about Jesus saying that in some book or something. I think it was the Bible. Pity there are a lot of "Christians" out there who seem to have been reading another book.

Agreed!

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: jaydee

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

For the last time, your judgment is not required for someone to hold themselves as Christian or otherwise, nor is it welcome

LOL. I don't care if you want to hear my judgment, I'm gonna give it to you. For the reasons given above, you ain't no Christian. Have arguments or more rhetoric about me being informed despite the fact you don't present any verse?

Remember people, GWB and most so-called Christians are about as Christian as prostitutes are. Sure, they can be forgiven for worshipping mammon and being warmongers. So can the prostitute for selling herself. But do you generally look to prostitutes as examples of Christians or Christian leaders? That's how I feel about GWB and so many disciples of Paul. Have fun and thanks.

LOL. I don't care if you want to hear my judgment, I'm gonna give it to you. For the reasons given above, you ain't no Christian.

This is a ridiculous statement, and I've shown you with scripture already that it is inconsistent with the Bible for man to judge anyone on spiritual matters.


I also already showed to you with scripture that there is nothing wrong with money in and of itself whereas with prostitution there is. So the "mammon worshipping" bit is not a valid arguement. You also seem still stuck on the war theme/turn the other cheek despite no Biblical backing.


Who is looking at GWB for Christian leadership? No one proclaimed Bush as the model for Christian leadership and nor should they. Christian leadership should be sought from people who you have direct contact with, not some political figure just because he says "God bless America" in his speeches.


Finally, where on earth are you coming from when you make such comparisions to the disciples of Paul?

Is your name CycloWizard?

I also already showed to you with scripture that there is nothing wrong with money in and of itself whereas with prostitution there is.

You refuse to take certain verses at face value because you want desperately to believe your money-grubbing is consistent with Christ's message. He says it's nearly impossible for a rich person to get into heaven. Now even with prositutes they can get into heaven by accepting Jesus. So they're on the same footing. You refuse to accept the plain-meaning of Jesus' words.

There are plenty of people who look at GWB as a Christian leader. Your denial of this fact just reminds me it's so hard to deal with blind zealots.

You also seem still stuck on the war theme/turn the other cheek despite no Biblical backing.

So Jesus being peaceful and non-violent and saying loving your enemy has no biblical backing? :roll:

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: cquark
I've never seen such letters or any references to them. What's your source? Do you really think a few letters to that editor are very indicative of our society or influential on its direction?

It's worth noting also that some prominent Christians blamed 9/11 on a lack of Christian beliefs in the U.S. Jerry Falwell said "I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way, all of them who have tried to secularize America, I point the finger in their face and say: you helped this happen."

There are many people that will tell you the reason that God lets bad things happen is so people will be driven back to him when they realize everything isn't so hunky-dory without his help. Churches filled up after 9/11 (for less than a month), which I think speaks to this. Unfortunately, even if this were the case, most Americans are too wishy-washy to care.

In my opinion, people in the US need to recognize that more than 80% of the people here (according to other people in this thread, anyway) are Christian. Therefore, Christian influence in society is inevitable, and does not necessarily constitute Christians trying to force their religion down your throat. Religion, by its nature, is a social activity. As such, its members seek comraderie in society. Even if you're not Christian, I doubt you can be easily offended by the major Christian ideals, which are basically in tune with general good will towards men. In any case, not all references to 'God' are necessarily Christian. Jews and Muslims believe in the same God, and even Hindus believe in a God (they're not really polytheists - they believe that one God has many manifestations - can't remember the term used for it). If atheists don't believe in God, then they should simply put no stock in such things - the word God being on money doesn't hurt them in any way, and if they are that offended by the possibility of God as to attempt to villify any references regarding God, maybe they shouldn't live in a country founded on generally religious precepts.

 

[bluemax]

If atheists don't believe in God, then they should simply put no stock in such things - the word God being on money doesn't hurt them in any way, and if they are that offended by the possibility of God as to attempt to villify any references regarding God, maybe they shouldn't live in a country founded on generally religious precepts.

France is even further along than the USA in stamping out religion.