[vrzone] GTX670Ti in March

[toyota]

They brought you a card that's faster than the previous fastest at the same price point, can't get fairer than that.

if that logic is solid then we would be paying no telling how many thousands of dollars for gpus by now.

 

[railven]

They didn't miss any "potential sales" because they would have no product to sell, how can you not wrap your head around it after all this time? Wafers are short and yield isn't that great, like you'd expect from a new process. Also where are you seeing lots of 7970/50's in stock? 3/10 for 7970 and 5/9 for the 7950 and all of them are priced above MSRP. You'd think that would be the first thing to drop, if they weren't selling.

They brought you a card that's faster than the previous fastest at the same price point, can't get fairer than that.

Be wiser to just ignore that guy. Pretty much every thread, regardless of topic, he posts the same song and dance. I guess he can't afford the premium cards or something like that and now they're pointless.

Or something like that.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

They brought you a card that's faster than the previous fastest at the same price point, can't get fairer than that.

Abundant stock at newegg says otherwise. Also ask some of our European members how 79XX series are going.

 

[railven]

if that logic is solid then we would be paying no telling how many thousands of dollars for gpus by now.

It is solid, that's how it's always been. No faster card sold for less than the current top card's going price. Actually, I think it only happened once in my history of buying PC cards, and I'm not 100% sure on that scenario.

Feel free to find more than one example. People here forget how the markets work. Getting sick and tired of these "OMG, 5million dollar cards, wah wah" posts.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

They didn't miss any "potential sales" because they would have no product to sell, how can you not wrap your head around it after all this time? Wafers are short and yield isn't that great, like you'd expect from a new process. Also where are you seeing lots of 7970/50's in stock? 3/10 for 7970 and 5/9 for the 7950 and all of them are priced above MSRP. You'd think that would be the first thing to drop, if they weren't selling.

Kinda scratching my head here. If yields were low but they are selling like hotcakes that would leave me to believe there would be shortage? Yet I find stock at every major retailer. So which side of the argument are you on again?

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Be wiser to just ignore that guy. Pretty much every thread, regardless of topic, he posts the same song and dance. I guess he can't afford the premium cards or something like that and now they're pointless.

Or something like that.

I'm tired of this nonsense argument. If you'd like to whip out your e-peen at every chance lets go ahead and post pictures of our house and cars. How's that kid? $600 isn't even enough to scratch my ass with.

 

[toyota]

It is solid, that's how it's always been. No faster card sold for less than the current top card's going price. Actually, I think it only happened once in my history of buying PC cards, and I'm not 100% sure on that scenario.

Feel free to find more than one example. People here forget how the markets work. Getting sick and tired of these "OMG, 5million dollar cards, wah wah" posts.

you are not making sense. the 7970 came out and added 50% or more price increase to what the 6970 costs. if AMD or Nvidia did that EVERY generation then no normal person could even afford a gpu by now.

 

[Arzachel]

Kinda scratching my head here. If yields were low but they are selling like hotcakes that would leave me to believe there would be shortage? Yet I find stock at every major retailer. So which side of the argument are you on again?

.... Did you just ignore half my post? Where are these huge quantities of unsold Tahitis, when most of them are sold out even at Newegg? And if they are not selling why are they still over MSRP?

Answer these two questions and you have a point.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm tired of this nonsense argument. If you'd like to whip out your e-peen at every chance lets go ahead and post pictures of our house and cars. How's that kid? $600 isn't even enough to scratch my ass with.

Let me start, my house:

My car:

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Let me start, my house:

My car:

Yes kinda ridiculous argument. Just getting tired of the angsty zit popping teens in here that don't have two nickels to rub together telling others they can't afford a pathetic $600.

 

[Grooveriding]

you are not making sense. the 7970 came out and added 50% or more price increase to what the 6970 costs. if AMD or Nvidia did that EVERY generation then no normal person could even afford a gpu by now.

Yeah but that is sensationalizing it, dude. What they did was bring their prices back to the level they were at in the 9800, x800, x1800, x1900 days and along side what nvidia has been charging for ages. Come on, we all know the 8900 series will not cost $900, the same way the gtx680 won't cost $900 just beause the 580 was $550 at release.

I am not saying love the prices, but they are nothing new. All things considered they are more the norm than the lucky break that was 5870 pricing.

 

[Leadbox]

you are not making sense. the 7970 came out and added 50% or more price increase to what the 6970 costs. if AMD or Nvidia did that EVERY generation then no normal person could even afford a gpu by now.

So AMD should price these relative to their previous gen and not their competitive advantage? It the fastest single gpu card out there, it assumed the price point of the previous fastest, it can't be fairer than that

 

[wahdangun]

you are not making sense. the 7970 came out and added 50% or more price increase to what the 6970 costs. if AMD or Nvidia did that EVERY generation then no normal person could even afford a gpu by now.

yeah like 8800 ultra ($800) and GTX280($650) ???? now compare to it, HD 7970 is actually cheaper.

so your logic is [B]FAIL[/B].

 

[toyota]

Yeah but that is sensationalizing it, dude. What they did was bring their prices back to the level they were at in the 9800, x800, x1800, x1900 days and along side what nvidia has been charging for ages. Come on, we all know the 8900 series will not cost $900, the same way the gtx680 won't cost $900 just beause the 580 was $550 at release.

I am not saying love the prices, but they are nothing new. All things considered they are more the norm than the lucky break that was 5870 pricing.

yes we all know that prices can go up and down. that does not change the fact that I said IF every new generation went up 50% more in price to their previous cards that we would not be able to afford them by now.

 

[toyota]

yeah like 8800 ultra ($800) and GTX280($650) ???? now compare to it, HD 7970 is actually cheaper.

so your logic is [B]FAIL[/B].

are you that ignorant to not realize prices go up and down? go back in time and start with the first gpu and then add 50% price increase to every new generation and see where prices would be at today IF that happened every time.

 

[railven]

you are not making sense. the 7970 came out and added 50% or more price increase to what the 6970 costs. if AMD or Nvidia did that EVERY generation then no normal person could even afford a gpu by now.

The current leader was $500, AMD followed the trends set forth before hand. Unfortunately for the markets, the GTX 580 DIDN'T drop in price (they had no reason to.)

Nothing has changed except the top card holding it's value far longer than normal. Even now, it continues to hold that close to initial value.

Once the prices shift, you'll see the normal trends happen, yet again. This argument is so retarded, I don't get why we have to have it reintroduced into just about every thread.

 

[railven]

I'm tired of this nonsense argument. If you'd like to whip out your e-peen at every chance lets go ahead and post pictures of our house and cars. How's that kid? $600 isn't even enough to scratch my ass with.

Hey, I'm not the one crying in every thread cards are too expensive and I can't afford them anymore.

Sure, we can post pics - let me hit Google-Image and find the big house and an Enzo. BRB.

 

[railven]

Let me start, my house:

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My car:

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Well that was the opposite route I was going to go. Haha, same affect. Kudos guy!

 

[toyota]

The current leader was $500, AMD followed the trends set forth before hand. Unfortunately for the markets, the GTX 580 DIDN'T drop in price (they had no reason to.)

Nothing has changed except the top card holding it's value far longer than normal. Even now, it continues to hold that close to initial value.

Once the prices shift, you'll see the normal trends happen, yet again. This argument is so retarded, I don't get why we have to have it reintroduced into just about every thread.

all I am saying is that we would be in trouble IF that 50% price increase happened every generation. is that really so hard to comprehend?

 

[railven]

all I am saying is that we would be in trouble IF that 50% price increase happened every generation. is that really so hard to comprehend?

IF is a far stretch from challenging someone's position based on trends. This isn't the first time a card jumped up by a stupid value (remember that $800 card a while back, well it's competitor at the time was about ~$450, that's almost 100% increase.)

Until the markets support such an argument, I will bat it down the moment I see it. And, I'm not trying to harsh on you, it's just so overused it gets annoying.

 

[Arzachel]

all I am saying is that we would be in trouble IF that 50% price increase happened every generation. is that really so hard to comprehend?

All you're saying is that you have nothing to stand on. I'd agree that it would be horrid if every gen increased the price by 50%, but there is absolutely nothing that indicates this isn't a one off. Comparing the price to a 6970 instead of a GTX580 just makes you look sensational. Hell, I can do that too: THE GTX580 IS 45% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE HD5870!!!

 

[toyota]

All you're saying is that you have nothing to stand on. I'd agree that it would be horrid if every gen increased the price by 50%, but there is absolutely nothing that indicates this isn't a one off. Comparing the price to a 6970 instead of a GTX580 just makes you look sensational. Hell, I can do that too: THE GTX580 IS 45% MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE HD5870!!!

I love how people like you try to make more out of what I said than whats there. I already acknowledged that prices can go up and down. my comment was only for those that think it is perfectly normal to go up 50% in price over the previous gen. its NOT normal and rarely happens so that is the whole damn point. and of course I am comparing the 7970 price to the 6970 as that is the card that it replaced.

 

[thilanliyan]

bringing performance to a point that actually justifies the $550 price tag.

What? It is faster than the 580 by a good amount which costs $450+...why isn't the pricetag justified? Seriously, where were all these people complaining about price when nV launches at $650? Or $800+ even? Why are you not saying the 580 pricetag is no longer justified?

nV charges top dollar for their top cards. AMD is not allowed to do the same? If there was more competition maybe AMD would price these cards cheaper, until there is, why should they? Just to make some forum goers happy?

 

[Leadbox]

I love how people like you try to make more out of what I said than whats there. I already acknowledged that prices can go up and down. my comment was only for those that think it is normal to go up 50% in price over the previous gen. its NOT normal and rarely happens so that is the whole damn point. and of course I am comparing the 7970 price to the 6970 as that is the card that it replaced.

The 6970 was priced were it needed to be, to be competitive. With the 570 matching and besting it and the 580 putting 20% on top of that. Did you factor this in your assessment? You're not seriously suggesting that AMD should only look and the price of their previous gen in determining the price of the new gen are you

 

[thilanliyan]

They brought you a card that's faster than the previous fastest at the same price point, can't get fairer than that.

Apparently some people are looking for GTX580 tri-SLI performance for $200 so it's NOT FAIR AT ALL!!!!!!!!!

all I am saying is that we would be in trouble IF that 50% price increase happened every generation. is that really so hard to comprehend?

What really is the point of your statement? I could make a wild "IF" claim too. The price increase has NOT happened even remotely close to every generation so why sensationalize it? AMD does it once in the last so many years (and as Grooveriding said these prices are what we were paying back in the X1800, X1900 days, and we all sorta got a break during the 4870/5870/6970 days) and everyone is up in arms over it.

To those complaining about price...get over it...if you don't want to spend $500+ on a video card, DON'T!! WAIT until competition ensues and you get lower prices. It is really annoying to hear people whining about the prices of the 79XX cards...as if these are the first $500+ cards to ever be released.