[vrzone] GTX670Ti in March

[OILFIELDTRASH]

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I think I am getting a couple of the GK110s unless AMD breaks te mold and gives us a big die. I can live with 580 tri sli performance for another six months.

I thought you wanted a pair of $600 7970's? What changed your mind?

 

[Grooveriding]

I thought you wanted a pair of $600 7970's? What changed your mind?

Things change, assess as the information comes along. I can run anything but BF3 multiplayer with 4xMSAA with my current setup, so I am in no rush to upgrade, but just want to.

So, are these the $300 nvidia cards that are faster than 7970s or are they just $300 GTX 580s ?

 

[Grooveriding]

considering Fermi never made it to 2009 and got pushed back to 2010, large in part because of fabrication process woes that have ultimately continued to this day, I'd say we're right on schedule if we adjust that 2011 Kepler projection for that delay.

AMD did just fine on 40nm and nvidia was 6 months late. AMD did just fine on 28nm and so far nvidia is almost 2 months late. The problem is with nvidia, not the fabs.

 

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Things change, assess as the information comes along. I can run anything but BF3 multiplayer with 4xMSAA with my current setup, so I am in no rush to upgrade, but just want to.

So, are these the $300 nvidia cards that are faster than 7970s or are they just $300 GTX 580s ?

No idea. I'm hoping for 10% better than gtx 580 performance, with low power draw, good overclocking potential, and a $300 price tag. Keyword is hoping not expecting.

 

[Quantos]

No idea. I'm hoping for 10% better than gtx 580 performance, with low power draw, good overclocking potential, and a $300 price tag. Keyword is hoping not expecting.

That performance makes sense, but the price feels like wishful thinking to me. We have nothing that points tow
ards such a performance for the buck. The rumours of low yields would rather point towards a more AMD like approach to the market. The prices probably will lower as the fab process gets better.

I understand the hope, though, I wish for the same! I just wouldn't get my hopes too high though.

 

[3DVagabond]

3dvagabond is nostradamus

Na, just reading the spin machine.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Wow, I guess there is no convincing you that Kepler isn't late just because Tahiti launched. Is this a hard concept to wrap your mind around? Or is it something else that I'm missing?

Things you've missed:

1. Nvidia's roadmap showing Kepler in 2011
2. Nvidia admitting they are having yield issues, likely delaying Kepler
3. Nvidia has lost the single GPU performance crown, something highly coveted by NV.

I could add to the list, but that should get you started.

 

[Keysplayr]

Looooool.

Good for a laugh as always. It's a vrzone rumour, same source saying nvidia is also late in their high end card until September, shouldn't you be scrambling to try and debunk this one as well ?

Oh wait, it's mildly positive for nv, got it.

Stepping out of nv fcg lala land...


I believe this one like the one about no high end till late this year. Should be a good card, gtx580 performance for hopefully the $3XX price bracket.

I'm so very glad I amuse you. I can also assure you that I am quite serene. You know, the thing you interpret as "scrambling". LMAO. See, you're good for a laugh to. What a pair we make.

 

[Keysplayr]

Things you've missed:

1. Nvidia's roadmap showing Kepler in 2011
2. Nvidia admitting they are having yield issues, likely delaying Kepler
3. Nvidia has lost the single GPU performance crown, something highly coveted by NV.

I could add to the list, but that should get you started.

So, if Tahiti didn't launch yet, would ya still think Kepler is late? Noooooope.

 

[AnandThenMan]

So, if Tahiti didn't launch yet, would ya still think Kepler is late? Noooooope.

Yes. It would also mean Tahiti was late, going by AMD's roadmaps and statements.

 

[notty22]

Things you've missed:

1. Nvidia's roadmap showing Kepler in 2011
2. Nvidia admitting they are having yield issues, likely delaying Kepler
3. Nvidia has lost the single GPU performance crown, something highly coveted by NV.

I could add to the list, but that should get you started.

I guess you feel compelled to ignore this story which ran on every tech site.
8/04/2011
Nvidia Denies Plans to Release Kepler GPU in 2011 - X-bit

 

[Keysplayr]

Yes. It would also mean Tahiti was late, going by AMD's roadmaps and statements.

I confidently call BS.

 

[Keysplayr]

I guess you feel compelled to ignore this story which ran on every tech site.
8/04/2011
Nvidia Denies Plans to Release Kepler GPU in 2011 - X-bit

Whaaaat? :ninja:

 

[DeeJayeS]

Party starts at 8pm.
You only plan to arrive at 10pm. You arrive at 10pm as planned.

Part 1) Are you late to the party?


Part 2) Did you inform the host of the party of when you planned to arrive? Does the answer to this change the answer to part 1?

Are there hot chicks at this party? If so, then you are definitely late.

Now we have to decide if we can compare AMD to a hot chick. I'll leave that to you.

 

[AnandThenMan]

I confidently call BS.

Of course you do.

Whaaaat? :ninja:

Nvidia shows a slide, then says nope that's not correct at all ignore it. LOL.

 

[Keysplayr]

Of course you do.

Nvidia shows a slide, then says nope that's not correct at all ignore it. LOL.

It's what's out there. You either accept it, or close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen. ::shrugs::

 

[Jionix]

It's what's out there. You either accept it, or close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen. ::shrugs::

Kinda hard to accept "what's out there", especially from Nvidia, seeing as that they will tell investers whatever is palatable, only to later play the ole switcharoo without saying as much as "yoink!"

http://semiaccurate.com/2011/12/30/nvidia-gpu-roadmap-slips-a-year-too/

Of course Nvidia's roadmap was completely fubar. But they didn't pubicly change it until December. A little late, don't you think?

But then again, we all know Nvidia is lacking in the ethical standards department when it comes to such things (i.e., being upfront and honest), and such an oversight is on the light side.

 

[AnandThenMan]

It's what's out there. You either accept it, or close your eyes and pretend it didn't happen. ::shrugs::

Like Tahiti.

 

[notty22]

I wonder if AMD investors have been briefed personally on recent changes at AMD ?

Some Thoughts on the Impact of AMD's Layoffs on the Future of AMD GPUs

Anand Lal Shimpi on 11/4/2011
Here's something I'm concerned about. AMD's Carrell Killebrew, part of yesterday's announced layoffs, was a Director of Product Planning for AMD's GPU division. His job, at least as he explained it to me so many times in the past, was to figure out what the next 3 - 5 years of AMD GPUs were going to look like. He's still technically with AMD today, although that will change in the not too distant future.

AMD's Eric Demers is Leaving the Company

Anand Lal Shimpi on 2/14/2012
I just found out that AMD's Eric Demers (Corporate VP & CTO, Graphics Division) is leaving the company at the end of this week. He's not going to Intel or NVIDIA but I suspect that someone of Eric's talents will remain in the industry. I just had dinner with Eric a couple of weeks ago and he seemed very positive on AMD's roadmap going forward. Given how important the GPU is becoming in this ever expanding industry, someone like Eric is in very high demand.

Of course none of that will effect them ?

 

[Jionix]

Random Stuff

Alert! Alert! Deflect! Change course now! Alter discussion! Derail, derail!

 

[notty22]

Alert! Alert! Deflect! Change course now! Alter discussion! Derail, derail!

Like your Charlie humor blog story dated 4 months after a Nvidia press release wasn't deflecting ?

 

[Grooveriding]

Kepler is late. Nvidia had to change their roadmap because they could not stick to their initial dates.

First Fermi was late, then they pushed Kepler back. As far as Tahiti coming first, every day nvudia has gone without a 28nm card while Tahiti has been out is a day they lost some $500 card sales. You are kidding yourself if you want to believe that they would rather not have a card out right now over still being getting one ready.

Get over it. Looks like there is a mid range card coming shortly. This is the $300 card that is faster than a 7970, right? !??! trolololo

 

[Silverforce11]

Actually, up to late last year at a conference in Taiwan, NV was still hoping for an early Q1 kepler release as a major revenue driver. Its on the official slides you've may seen posted around.

Arguing whether its late or not is moronic as there's nothing to argue about. It is late.

Argue whether its going to be awesome sauce or not... go for it. I hope it will be the next coming and cheap.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Looks like Nvidia has sent out NDA docs and the like to the usual suspects.

FWIW, NVIDIA has never spoken to us about its next-gen GPU. We have no dates as to when we are to see it, no NDAs or information embargoes exists.....nada, nothing, zip.

I retract this statement.

 

[boxleitnerb]

Q1 is not over yet. 2011 was just not doable with TMSC. Both IHVs launched in Q1 2012. AMD rushed out a few cards with no regard (again) to the reviewers, giving them very little time to test it. They could not get out many cards with decent voltages/clocks because of process variations, this is why the voltage on Tahiti is relatively high or the clocks low, however you want to look at it.
So no, until Q1 is over, Kepler is not late (by what standards anyway? rushed launch of the competition on an immature process?).

why does everybody think that is some kind of accomplishment? a gtx570 is already within 15-20% of a gtx580 so a next gen gtx670 being only near a gtx580 would be a joke.

I guess this is what happens when AMD sets the bar fairly low for a next card and then charges way more than the previous gen. we will now be paying nearly high end prices for what would have been mid range gpus.

Couldn't agree more. Tahiti is a performance GPU, a performance/highend hybrid at best. As the successor of the 6970 it should roughly sell for the same price. The only two things permitting these prices right now are lack of competition and great OC potential. If you look at stock performance though, it's a bit underwhelming.

Consider that no company has to put out a significantly faster product than the competition. If they would do that, they would rob themselves of profit (less good chips due to high clock targets) and set the bar too high for their refresh. I could very well see Nvidia bringing a GK110 that holds a bit back because more performance is not needed. Why beat the competition by 40% when you can do it at 20% and higher profit? (just an example!). But this also depends on what AMD does when Kepler arrives. Will they bring a 7970 "Ultra" to compete or will they just lower prices?