Virginia governor Northam (D) is toast

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K1052

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My biggest problem with this incident is that Northam has shown himself to be incompetent. There are ways to seek forgiveness for having been young, foolish, sheltered & naive, ways the People of Virginia would likely accept. The way he's handling this shows us that's he's still foolish.


Yes, if nothing else his super horrible fumble of handling this would be reason enough to move on from this political train wreck. It’s not like he can run for another term, isn’t now blocked from any higher office, or likely to be effective in his current position. It’s simply pointless to remain.
 

fskimospy

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Greenman

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Comparing the reaction of liberals to this with the disgusting reaction of conservatives to Kavanaugh tells you everything you need to know.
The two cases are nearly identical after all. Kavanaugh was accused of rape years after the alleged event took place, with no evidence other than the word of the accuser, who apparently didn't even remember the location of the crime.
This guy is accused of bad taste 34 years after the event with (maybe) irrefutable evidence, but still no crime.
Honestly, if there names weren't different there would be no way to distinguish between them.

I'll go ahead and note that the decision to seat Kavanaugh was exactly the right thing to do. Once we accept that an unsubstantiated accusation is enough to derail a presidential appointment there will never be another one. I'd also note that his accuser didn't come forward when he was being confirmed for the second highest court in the land. Why is that? It's also interesting that she made a million bucks off the deal.
 
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fskimospy

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The two cases are nearly identical after all. Kavanaugh was accused of rape years after the alleged event took place, with no evidence other than the word of the accuser, who apparently didn't even remember the location of the crime.
This guy is accused of bad taste 34 years after the event with (maybe) irrefutable evidence, but still no crime.
Honestly, if there names weren't different there would be no way to distinguish between them.

Meh, it’s simply a case that when presented with Kavanaugh the right decided to defend him even when it was obvious he was lying to try and cover up for his past behavior. Democrats chose the opposite.

It really does show you that liberals have principles that conservatives lack, which is ironic considering conservatives try and paint themselves as the ideology of morality.

I'll go ahead and note that the decision to seat Kavanaugh was exactly the right thing to do. Once we accept that an unsubstantiated accusation is enough to derail a presidential appointment there will never be another one. I'd also note that his accuser didn't come forward when he was being confirmed for the second highest court in the land. Why is that? It's also interesting that she made a million bucks off the deal.

Oh absolutely not. Seating him was a large, obvious mistake. Not only was his accuser vastly more credible than he was he repeatedly lied under oath while attempting to defend himself.

Honestly the right answer after that hearing was a referral for potential prosecution for perjury, not a lifetime appointment to an unreviewable court.
 

vi edit

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I said it in another thread, the Democrats are simply better at taking out their own trash. Republicans let it sit and rot.

I don't understand how Northam does...anything...over the next 3 years if he doesn't resign. That was one of the most bizarre walkbacks I've seen. For the good of your party and your state, hand it over to the next in line.
 

sportage

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Watching the Sunday morning news talk shows i.e. ABC This Week.
Democrats are truly on some self destruct suicide mission.
On the show, one guest was the president of NAACP. He wants Northam to resign, period! And regardless.
Only because this governor attended a college long long ago that would allow its yearbook to include this racist photo.
I tell you people..... democrats are going to blow it BIG TIME.
This tendency to "eat their own" will be the death of democrats.
All democrats will have remaining within their party will be a bunch of namby pamby-spineless-politically correct-election losing-weakling politicians.
Spineless politicians and political correct wannabes that will lose election after election to their republican opponent.
And what will democrats have gained??????
Believe me.... once a republican gets elected, what that republican then does to harm the cause of civil justice will far FAR outweigh anything that poor ran out of office democrat would have done if they had remained in office. FAR OUTWEIGH !!!!!!

So go ahead namby pamby democrats, continue to eat your own.
The Northam's and the Al Franken's and all the rest.
THEN.... just see what you are left with.
A bunch of newly elected Donald Trump mind-set republicans ruling throughout government.
Including throughout your local governments.

Someone needs a royal kick in the old back-side.
This isn't some childhood game from elementary school, this is the real world of politics.
Where playing politics can be down right ugly nasty.
Democrats need to hold on to their balls, not snip them off.
If democrats want a Donald Trump America from coast to coast and state by state, keep it up.
Keep eating your own and see where that gets you.
"LOSING" election after election.
 

Jhhnn

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I said it in another thread, the Democrats are simply better at taking out their own trash. Republicans let it sit and rot.

I don't understand how Northam does...anything...over the next 3 years if he doesn't resign. That was one of the most bizarre walkbacks I've seen. For the good of your party and your state, hand it over to the next in line.

I think he could have salvaged it had he played it right from the beginning. He didn't, and there's no do-over.

Meanwhile, conservatives beat the "Poor oppressed Brett Kavanaugh!" drum as if he hadn't been confirmed. They're not just bad losers. They're bad winners, too.
 

shortylickens

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I said it in another thread, the Democrats are simply better at taking out their own trash. Republicans let it sit and rot.

I don't understand how Northam does...anything...over the next 3 years if he doesn't resign. That was one of the most bizarre walkbacks I've seen. For the good of your party and your state, hand it over to the next in line.

Probably true.

Al Franken merely made an unpopular joke (never actually touched that woman). He was politely asked to resign. He politely complied.
 
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Probably true.

Al Franken merely made an unpopular joke (never actually touched that woman). He was politely asked to resign. He politely complied.

8 women came forward with credible stories of improper behaviour on his part. And, I firmly believe that he resigned because he felt that he had no other credible choice. I also suspect that he wasn't thinking polite thoughts at the time.

http://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/
 

Sea Ray

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Robert Byrd was never a Klan leader.

What kind of BS is this? Sure he was a leader. Maybe not the Grand Wizard but he was a leader:

<<In the early 1940s, Byrd recruited 150 of his friends and associates to create a new chapter of the Ku Klux Klan in Sophia, West Virginia.[10][11]
According to Byrd, a Klan official told him, "You have a talent for leadership, Bob ... The country needs young men like you in the leadership of the nation." Byrd later recalled, "Suddenly lights flashed in my mind! Someone important had recognized my abilities! I was only 23 or 24 years old, and the thought of a political career had never really hit me. But strike me that night, it did."[17] Byrd became a recruiter and leader of his chapter.[11] When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously>>
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Byrd#Ku_Klux_Klan
 

HomerJS

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Well, I guess it could be a thing on college campus' back in 2007 when the article was written
( C. Richard. King Oct 3, 2007 12:00PM EDT ).

I do consider that the source could be biased a bit also... "Color Lines" published by race forward. There could possibly be an agenda.
So its a one off? Again?

How about Florida's Secretary of State Michael Ertel fired for making fun of black Katrina victims. Republicans putting down blacks is not a one off. This one has the added benefit of being....wait for it....last week
https://cleanupcityofstaugustine.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-secretary-of-state-michael.html
 

pcgeek11

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So its a one off? Again?

How about Florida's Secretary of State Michael Ertel fired for making fun of black Katrina victims. Republicans putting down blacks is not a one off. This one has the added benefit of being....wait for it....last week
https://cleanupcityofstaugustine.blogspot.com/2019/01/florida-secretary-of-state-michael.html


OMG, That isn't what I said. I also don't carer about this Michael Ertel.

We were discussing these huge Ghetto Parties that I had never heard of until you brought them up. You gave one example from a 2007 Article in a race related newspaper?
 

zinfamous

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I was particularly impressed by this defense: "I had never seen this photo, so I assumed it was a photo of the one time that I know I used black face, for a Michael Jackson costume around that time, where I specifically didn't use so much shoe polish because if you have any experience with using shoe polish to paint your face [as I clearly do by saying this], it is very hard to get out!"
 

HomerJS

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Watching the Sunday morning news talk shows i.e. ABC This Week.
Democrats are truly on some self destruct suicide mission.
On the show, one guest was the president of NAACP. He wants Northam to resign, period! And regardless.
Only because this governor attended a college long long ago that would allow its yearbook to include this racist photo.
I tell you people..... democrats are going to blow it BIG TIME.
This tendency to "eat their own" will be the death of democrats.
All democrats will have remaining within their party will be a bunch of namby pamby-spineless-politically correct-election losing-weakling politicians.
Spineless politicians and political correct wannabes that will lose election after election to their republican opponent.
And what will democrats have gained??????
Believe me.... once a republican gets elected, what that republican then does to harm the cause of civil justice will far FAR outweigh anything that poor ran out of office democrat would have done if they had remained in office. FAR OUTWEIGH !!!!!!

So go ahead namby pamby democrats, continue to eat your own.
The Northam's and the Al Franken's and all the rest.
THEN.... just see what you are left with.
A bunch of newly elected Donald Trump mind-set republicans ruling throughout government.
Including throughout your local governments.

Someone needs a royal kick in the old back-side.
This isn't some childhood game from elementary school, this is the real world of politics.
Where playing politics can be down right ugly nasty.
Democrats need to hold on to their balls, not snip them off.
If democrats want a Donald Trump America from coast to coast and state by state, keep it up.
Keep eating your own and see where that gets you.
"LOSING" election after election.
If Northam had immediately admitted fault and offered an unequivocal apology he could have survived. Instead he lied about it. Even in his presser he demonstrated to being a dim bulb.

Like I mentioned earlier if George Wallace who was of the most notorious racist politicians of all time can be forgiven, this guy could have survived.

Talking all that in consideration Democrats have to maintain the high ground if they are going to criticize Republicans and Trump for their racist behavior.
 

cytg111

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If he has to go, Turtleneck has to go.
Thats the fucking art of the fucking deal.. And I would use ~50million to propose that throughout media/social media/printed flyers/telemarketing ... With big bright pictures of TurtleTraitor standing before the confederate flag. MITCH MUST GO.
 

brandonbull

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Lol. If someone ever dug up a pic of Trump in blackface.. nothing would happen. It might last 2 newscycles. Certainly no longer than the "grab em by pussy" incident lasted.

What???? The media would never stop running that story. Hell, Russia and China could launch nukes at the US and the media wouldn't still wouldn't interrupt.
 

HomerJS

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That's funny considering that the Dems are the party of racists and anti-Semites.
Funny I can't recall any prominent Democrat denigrating a white Republican just because they are white at least in the last 15 years. If you know otherwise please enlighten us.

My guess you have nothing.
 
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HomerJS

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What???? The media would never stop running that story. Hell, Russia and China could launch nukes at the US and the media wouldn't still wouldn't interrupt.
As opposed to the media running this story constantly.

You people are so desperate to hold onto your narrative, it's pathetic
 
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Jaskalas

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CNN: No room for redemption
But could [President Lyndon] Johnson even survive as a leader today?
In the church of the modern-day media, there is no room for redemption. We have a zero-tolerance policy against anyone caught being a racist. They can apologize profusely without any denials or rationalizations, but they will most likely be banished from public life.
And no doubt this policy is good. We can't return to the days when politicians freely used the N-word in public. But I think we lose something when we don't allow any politicians to grow past their mistakes.
One of the reasons Johnson was such an effective champion for blacks is that he understood the Southern mind better than most. He was fighting against the same demons that he grappled with. He knew what buttons to push against the racist politicians who stood in his way.
Yet there is not much room for a politician to evolve in today's environment. There is a "rage industrial complex" that fixates on the latest racial flashpoint: an outrageous video, remark or image that's passed around social media like a viral grenade.
Meanwhile those banal acts of racism that don't get caught in a photo or a tweet go by unremarked.
Here's when I know there's genuine racial progress.
It's not when a white politician is caught being racist and people demand his or her head. It's when people show the same amount of public outrage over the everyday acts of racism -- voter suppression, racial profiling, redlining -- that define so much of our everyday lives.
Now that would be shocking.

There's quite a bit more in the article. One of the main points is how polarized the "rage industrial complex" makes this nation today, how a civil rights leader would be destroyed by things in their past and never given the opportunity to do right. A "you must have been with us from birth" standard is drawing a line in the sand. It creates a rather small tent. Elections are not won by eating your own. Allies are not gained.

Others know if they have sinned. They surely calculate the risk of joining the Democrats or not. And see what is done to others who were not always so. Who were not perfect kids in their youth. Many in such a position would not risk such destruction. Open arms is an important thing in welcoming others unto the fold. In expanding your horizons and allowing a nation to evolve. To be accepting of where others come from, and judge them not for their birth but for the content of their character.

What sort of extremism drives us, when banal acts of racism are mistaken and/or treated like the real thing? When a Democrat Government is run out of town over an ill photo from collage? Did he support voter suppression, racial profiling? Did he oppose #BLM? How was the Governor not fit? Why would you destroy this man?