Vick Officially Named Starting QB

[darkewaffle]

This thread is amazing. I stopped reading hours ago but just knowing this exists is hilarious.

 

[MotF Bane]

Truthfully Ill end with this. I don't give a flying you know what about Vick. But I don't understand people when they just judge a person in their total based on one mistake. What the guy did was bad, very bad. But he didn't rape or kill anyone. He didn't hurt a kid. And in reading many of these posts including Indy you just get the sense more of the hatred was based on what he did off the field. Dude ain't never going to be Peyton, Johnny U, or Montana. But its completly assinine to say he is mediocre or say he is Jim Hart, not to bash Hart. Vick can and has done stuff very very few ever could. He deserved a second shot and hopefully he continues to make good on it. Oh and Indy I like how you slipped that "average career" in now on Vick. But then again with you who knows. Average and medicore may be interchangeable for you.

You are the only one currently bringing up Vick's personal transgressions. I, being a mentally functional person, do not get any sense of that non-existent hatred towards Vick as you claim. He is mediocre; and by your own admission in this particular post, you acknowledge he is not and never will be elite.

 

[MotF Bane]

This thread is amazing. I stopped reading hours ago but just knowing this exists is hilarious.

You're missing out.

 

[RPD]

What a good read, had to hit F5 to read again for another laugh. Some people can't admit when they are wrong.

Stay "Classy" haha.

 

[classy]

Are you really this stupid?

You know how many great, I mean great QBs were medicore passers?

Tarkenton
Bradshaw
Namath
Griese

Thats just a handful off the top of my head. I am a few years older probably than you and can go back in the mid seventies easily. Being a prolific passer is not the only sign of great or even good qb.

 

[SP33Demon]

One good season over a career of mediocrity does not make an elite.

Vick always was above mediocre because of his legs alone. The fact he just passed Steve Young is direct evidence of this. Anyone who has the speed to make things happen outside of the pocket long enough to catch Steve Young is far from mediocre. Yes, his passing left a bit to be desired but McNabb is proof that you can always improve passing ability once your legs go. Vick's legs never went which is what has always made him above average.

 

[classy]

Vick always was above mediocre because of his legs alone. The fact he just passed Steve Young is direct evidence of this. Anyone who has the speed to make things happen outside of the pocket long enough to catch Steve Young is far from mediocre. Yes, his passing left a bit to be desired but McNabb is proof that you can always improve passing ability once your legs go. Vick's legs never went which is what has always made him above average.

You know at times I like you. That has been my point all along. Vick can do things that Manning can't. If Manning can't complete the pass he is through and the play is more than likely a loss. But with Vick that is not the case. Because he is so fluid and quick, he play behind a bad line and still make things happen. Look at Manning just this year. Line is not quite as good and his play has dipped quite a bit. Medicore QBs are the Jason Campbells and John Kitnas of the world, not Vick. If only a great arm was required to be a top notch qb, Ryan Leaf would still be in the league.

 

[zinfamous]

Thanks for stating the obvious, he is mediocre. His arm is nothing to write home about, he doesn't throw smart and he's not that accurate compared to a top-tier QB. Now, you add a set of legs and he can get out of some dicey situations, but he can't even get *that* right and winds up hurt every season because every once in a while he thinks he's a fullback and gets crushed by a D. Look through the smoke and mirrors, he's nothing special. Everyone makes a huge deal about a QB that can run, hell, McNabb had the same buzz about him when he first came into the league. Once it was clear he was aiming to be a more traditional QB, he fell into mediocrity.

Vick has always had a cannon for an arm. I don't know why people don't recognize this. He's always had a problem with decision making, that is nothing new.

But this year, last night--he is obviously not the same Michael Vick. Dude is a beast. His throws were on the money--lasers. He was patient, precise, effective. looking for 3 options before running.

I hope he can keep this up, b/c he's fun to watch.

(ahhhhhh...my poor, poor Redskins. )

 

[zinfamous]

I heard that Vick had sex with a man while he was in prison.





...just sayin'

:sneaky:

 

[Perknose]

Vick has always had a cannon for an arm. I don't know why people don't recognize this. He's always had a problem with decision making, that is nothing new.

But this year, last night--he is obviously not the same Michael Vick. Dude is a beast. His throws were on the money--lasers. He was patient, precise, effective. looking for 3 options before running.

I hope he can keep this up, b/c he's fun to watch.

After the one-sided heat and hyperbole from both sides, this seems a refreshingly fair analysis.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Vick has always had a cannon for an arm. I don't know why people don't recognize this. He's always had a problem with decision making, that is nothing new.

That was my point on the first few pages.

But this year, last night--he is obviously not the same Michael Vick. Dude is a beast. His throws were on the money--lasers. He was patient, precise, effective. looking for 3 options before running.

I hope he can keep this up, b/c he's fun to watch.

(ahhhhhh...my poor, poor Redskins. )

He is playing like someone who knows this might be his last and only chance in the NFL. Good for him. I hope he keeps it up.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

If only a great arm was required to be a top notch qb, Ryan Leaf would still be in the league.

Errr, Vick has one of the strongest arms in the league today and maybe the strongest when he was with the Falcons. We aren't discussing arm strength as a sole indicator of a top notch QB. Joe Montana had, at best, an average arm but no one would say he wasn't an elite QB.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Truthfully Ill end with this. I don't give a flying you know what about Vick. But I don't understand people when they just judge a person in their total based on one mistake. What the guy did was bad, very bad. But he didn't rape or kill anyone. He didn't hurt a kid. And in reading many of these posts including Indy you just get the sense more of the hatred was based on what he did off the field.

BS. Would you like me to take pictures of the Vick jerseys in my closet? Stop projecting your hypersensitivity on others. You've been asked to provide any quote which would reasonably prove your point above and so far, we have nothing.

 

[Homerboy]

BS. Would you like me to take pictures of the Vick jerseys in my closet? Stop projecting your hypersensitivity on others. You've been asked to provide any quote which would reasonably prove your point above and so far, we have nothing.

I'm not going back and re-reading everything, but where/when was his off-the-field adventures even mentioned by anyone other than Classy?

 

[Perknose]

Last night I heard an analyst on the tube, it might have been on the pre-game show, say that the Eagles were in a good position vis a vis Vick because they could slap the franchise tag on him next season and retain him for that one year for about $16 million.

If this is true, THIS is exactly what I would do, for a number of reasons:

1. Vick runs recklessly. The possibility of catastrophic injury is always present.
2. Vick is already 30. It is amazing that he's finally regained the world class elusiveness he once had, but it can't last forever.
3. He's on a roll now, AND THERE IS NO DENYING that he is presently operating at a dominating, world class level. His accuracy and his in the pocket decision making are off the charts great. But I remain skeptical. You are never as good as you look when you are going good, nor as bad as you look when you are going bad. He may remain hot for most of this year (As an Eagles fan, I can only hope), but I'd be far more comfortable with seeing him consolidate his new found patience and pocket prowess over a longer time span.
4. Kevin Kolb does not have Vick's upside. NOBODY alive has Vick's present upside. But Kolb has finally shown me he can be a good NFL QB, and he's much younger. NFL football is a young man's game.
5. Therefore, signing Vick to a multi-year contract would likely spell the end of Kolb in Philly, which could then prove disastrous if Vick were hurt or suddenly regressed, both of which remain decent possibilities.
6. So . . . if the Eagles can retain Vick for next year with the franchise tag and KEEP Kolb for next year as a back-up and heir apparent, this would be the number one best scenario imho!

So, ummmm, anyone know if it's true that the Eagles can put a franchise tag on Vick?

 

[bigdog1218]

This funniest part about this Vick is great nonsense is it comes after a game where he beat one of the worst defenses in the league.

In fact, he hasn't played against a top 20 rushing defense all year. Think about that, he's played against some of the worst rushing Ds in the league, hmmm, makes you wonder why he's doing so well. Take away his legs and vick is a mediocre QB. Fun to watch does not equal good.

Lets see how he does against the Giants and Bears before we announce him as the greatest QB ever.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Last night I heard an analyst on the tube, it might have been on the pre-game show, say that the Eagles were in a good position vis a vis Vick because they could slap the franchise tag on him next season and retain him for that one year for about $16 million.

If this is true, THIS is exactly what I would do, for a number of reasons:

1. Vick runs recklessly. The possibility of catastrophic injury is always present.
2. Vick is already 30. It is amazing that he's finally regained the world class elusiveness he once had, but it can't last forever.
3. He's on a roll now, AND THERE IS NO DENYING that he is presently operating at a dominating, world class level. His accuracy and his in the pocket decision making are off the charts great. But I remain skeptical. You are never as good as you look when you are going good, nor as bad as you look when you are going bad. He may remain hot for most of this year (As an Eagles fan, I can only hope), but I'd be far more comfortable with seeing him consolidate his new found patience and pocket prowess over a longer time span.
4. Kevin Kolb does not have Vick's upside. NOBODY alive has Vick's present upside. But Kolb has finally shown me he can be a good NFL QB, and he's much younger. NFL football is a young man's game.
5. Therefore, signing Vick to a multi-year contract would likely spell the end of Kolb in Philly, which could then prove disastrous if Vick were hurt or suddenly regressed, both of which remain decent possibilities.
6. So . . . if the Eagles can retain Vick for next year with the franchise tag and KEEP Kolb for next year as a back-up and heir apparent, this would be the number one best scenario imho!

So, ummmm, anyone know if it's true that the Eagles can put a franchise tag on Vick?

Interesting point, and if they have no intention of keeping him longer, perhaps they could dangle him as trade bait to a desperate team (see: Minnesota Vikings).

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I'm not going back and re-reading everything, but where/when was his off-the-field adventures even mentioned by anyone other than Classy?

There was a discussion on the first or second page, and I actually stood up for Vick.

 

[vi edit]

Interesting point, and if they have no intention of keeping him longer, perhaps they could dangle him as trade bait to a desperate team (see: Minnesota Vikings).

Sweet Jeebus...Vick under center...AP at RB...Harvin under the middle and a healthy Sidney Rice burning downfield.

Defensive freaking nightmare.

 

[Perknose]

Interesting point, and if they have no intention of keeping him longer, perhaps they could dangle him as trade bait to a desperate team (see: Minnesota Vikings).

Lol, so true. And the sad and/or amazing thing is that there will always be a team desperate enough to take that gamble.

 

[classy]

I'm not going back and re-reading everything, but where/when was his off-the-field adventures even mentioned by anyone other than Classy?

I'll be sure to bring my 2 German Shepherds chain free to the next eagles game i attend.

Hide your dogs.

(Fixed that for ya.)

Viva Ron Mexico!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/12468203/

p.s. I do agree though, that this is a good move by the Eagles.

 

[Perknose]

Sweet Jeebus...Vick under center...AP at RB...Harvin under the middle and a healthy Sidney Rice burning downfield.

Defensive freaking nightmare.

Sweet Jeebus . . . Vick under center . . . McCoy and Harrison at RB . . . Jason Avant under the middle and DeSean Jackson burning downfield . . . plus Jeremy Macklin as yet another near premiere receiving option!

Defensive freaking nightmare.

Just ask the Skins.

 

[vi edit]

Sorry but AP & Harvin have no equals from Philly and the O-Line for MN is much, much better.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Sweet Jeebus . . . Vick under center . . . McCoy and Harrison at RB . . . Jason Avant under the middle and DeSean Jackson burning downfield . . . plus Jeremy Macklin as yet another near premiere receiving option!

Defensive freaking nightmare.

Just ask the Skins.

7 games left. 6 in conference, 4 in division.

3 games against Giants(2) and Bears.

This second half of the season should determine if they are contending or a on a good luck streak

 

[Perknose]

7 games left. 6 in conference, 4 in division.

3 games against Giants(2) and Bears.

This second half of the season should determine if they are contending or a on a good luck streak

Oh, yeah, I do think the jury is still out on the Eagles as any kind of legitimate play-off contender.

One good test will be how Vick handles the 'Gints pass rush. For all his open field elusiveness, he hasn't looked good at avoiding a really determined pass rush.

I have to say his accuracy this season has been consistent and amazing, very un-Vick like. But I still question his throwing mechanics. The man just does not have a quick release. He has a hincky, complicated, wind-up, side-arm delivery.

Otoh, his recent open MAD open field success may necessitate other teams trying a spy and/or moderating their rush so as not to over-pursue him, which could easily work to his advantage.

Fat Andy LOVES this type of QB, I must say, and I give him and his staff huge props for taking a chance first on signing Vick and then for withstanding the tsunami of criticism in sticking with him over Kolb when Kolb got hurt.