Vick Officially Named Starting QB

[IndyColtsFan]

Classy is an idiot.

Before this season Vick was never anything more than a mediocre QB. He always showed the POTENTIAL to be great, but he never elevated his game. He was flashy and had fan support, which is why he went to pro bowls.

After getting arrested and coming back, I think he is finally elevating his game to his true potential, which will make him great.

So, in conclusion, he could have been a great QB in the past, but he chose not to be.

:thumbsup:

Well said. And I am cheering for Vick. I want him to do well. He has a great opportunity and he needs to grab it and take full advantage of it. He seems to be making all the right moves.

 

[classy]

Classy is an idiot.

Before this season Vick was never anything more than a mediocre QB. He always showed the POTENTIAL to be great, but he never elevated his game. He was flashy and had fan support, which is why he went to pro bowls.

After getting arrested and coming back, I think he is finally elevating his game to his true potential, which will make him great.

So, in conclusion, he could have been a great QB in the past, but he chose not to be.

Well now , see there is a problem with that there mediocre stuff. I may be an idiot, but now how does a "medicore" qb who hadn't done anything according to you guys the experts, get a $130 million dollar contract? Now that was after being in the league for a few years. Now there are some dumb sports people, cough Indy cough, but mediocre guys don't get that kind of money from NFL people.
I don't know, I ain't no expert, I can't call it.....................

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Well now , see there is a problem with that there mediocre stuff. I may be an idiot, but now how does a "medicore" qb who hadn't done anything according to you guys the experts, get a $130 million dollar contract? Now that was after being in the league for a few years. Now there are some dumb sports people, cough Indy cough, but mediocre guys don't get that kind of money from NFL people.
I don't know, I ain't no expert, I can't call it.....................

Yes, like you, who didn't even know (or purposely ignored) Belichick coached the Browns and kept using Pro Bowl appearances as being indicative of being "elite." LOL! Then you shift when I point out that Jim freaking Hart had comparable stats to Vick but more Pro Bowl appearances. LOL! I also agree 100% with the second bold point about you.

Let's not forget these gems, where you contradict yourself and can't even keep your story straight:

Looking around the league right now there are 6 QBS who are better than him and can carry their teams.
Brady
Manning
Brees
McNabb
Rivers
Rodgers

and I see 6 maybe depending on the team structure

Rothlisberger
Eli
Cutler
Romo
Palmer
Sanchez

He is the 4th highest rated passer and 13th in rushing. Name one better right now?

LOL!

 

[MotF Bane]

Prior to this season Vick was one of the best qbs in the league. Best passer? No. But being a great passer doesn't make a guy a good qb. Your boy Peyton has had elite talent around him for most of his career, he has racked up tons of records, and has won only 1 Super Bowl. And still hasn't shown he can win a big game on his own. He didn't do it in Tennessee and hasn't done it in the NFL. Is he a great QB? Yes he is. Great passer, one of the greatest.
But if I had to win one game, Peyton ain't even in the top 15, maybe not even 20. See you like stats, you live on stats, but elite players, are more than just stats. For you to suggest Vick was mediocre was a joke. Then you brought up QB rating and "stats". But when I pulled up "stats" of some of the greatest and where Vicks' stats were comparable, then stats were subjective.
I brought this back up, honestly just to laugh in your face. LOL Hopefully you don't have to judge talent or hire people in real life, because if your qb assessments are any indication, you would be terrible at it. LOL, But hey dude is mediocre Yea Vick just played maybe the greatest game in the history of the NFL by QB and you called him medicore. "Shakes Head with a smile"

LOOOOOOOLLLL

Are you serious? Vick, prior to this season, has been mediocre or worse. Peyton, hate him as I do, makes everyone around him look better than they really are. I'd put him as one of the top three season after season after season. That's consistency and excellency - that's an elite QB. Vick does not have consistency; he has one good season, and it's not over yet. And what Vick did last night was not the greatest game in history by a QB.

 

[MotF Bane]

Yes, like you, who didn't even know (or purposely ignored) Belichick coached the Browns and kept using Pro Bowl appearances as being indicative of being "elite." LOL! Then you shift when I point out that Jim freaking Hart had comparable stats to Vick but more Pro Bowl appearances. LOL! I also agree 100% with the second bold point about you.

Let's not forget these gems, where you contradict yourself and can't even keep your story straight:






LOL!

Haha, McNabb as one of the top six? I'd take Big Ben over McNabb; hell, probably even Eli over McNabb. And Rivers as top six? I'd put him with Eli - when he's good, he's good, but once he gets rattled, it's pick city, or those fun stunts like kicking the ball under the line.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOOOOOOOLLLL

Are you serious? Vick, prior to this season, has been mediocre or worse. Peyton, hate him as I do, makes everyone around him look better than they really are. I'd put him as one of the top three season after season after season. That's consistency and excellency - that's an elite QB. Vick does not have consistency; he has one good season, and it's not over yet. And what Vick did last night was not the greatest game in history by a QB.

I find it especially ironic that in one post, he says:

But being a great passer doesn't make a guy a good qb.

And then touts Vick's performance this year when in fact, the reason people are praising Vick is BECAUSE of his passing improvement. LOL!

 

[Homerboy]

Prior to this season Vick was one of the best qbs in the league. Best passer? No. But being a great passer doesn't make a guy a good qb. Your boy Peyton has had elite talent around him for most of his career, he has racked up tons of records, and has won only 1 Super Bowl. And still hasn't shown he can win a big game on his own. He didn't do it in Tennessee and hasn't done it in the NFL. Is he a great QB? Yes he is. Great passer, one of the greatest.
But if I had to win one game, Peyton ain't even in the top 15, maybe not even 20. See you like stats, you live on stats, but elite players, are more than just stats. For you to suggest Vick was mediocre was a joke. Then you brought up QB rating and "stats". But when I pulled up "stats" of some of the greatest and where Vicks' stats were comparable, then stats were subjective.
I brought this back up, honestly just to laugh in your face. LOL Hopefully you don't have to judge talent or hire people in real life, because if your qb assessments are any indication, you would be terrible at it. LOL, But hey dude is mediocre Yea Vick just played maybe the greatest game in the history of the NFL by QB and you called him medicore. "Shakes Head with a smile"

Honestly, while Vick played damned good last night, I'd say that the results of last night's game, especeially in the 1st quarter were more due to ATROCIOUS defensive play by the Redskins. Honestly, that was some of the worst shit I have ever seen on defense.

I'm not trying to take away the performance Vick had, but I don't want to over exagerate it either. That was 51% shitty D and 49% Vick.

 

[classy]

Yes, like you, who didn't even know (or purposely ignored) Belichick coached the Browns and kept using Pro Bowl appearances as being indicative of being "elite." LOL! Then you shift when I point out that Jim freaking Hart had comparable stats to Vick but more Pro Bowl appearances. LOL!

Agree 100% with the second bold point about you.

I am not following? You just rambled a bunch stuff together incoherently.

And what is your thing with Jim Hart? And I also pointed out several other HOF qbs who had comparable stats to Vick and then all off sudden the stats became subjective. Just wipe the egg off your face. Just say, you were wrong. And you still didn't answer the answer question. How did Vick before this season become the highest paid qb if he was just medicore? Just anwser that question for me. And that was not a rookie contract either.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I am not following? You just rambled a bunch stuff together incoherently.

LOL! Thanks for proving my point. Anyone else have trouble reading my previous post?

Here, let me spell it out and paraphrase. You said I didn't know football. I said "Really? You were the one that didn't know (or conveniently ignored) Belichick coached the Browns." You claimed Belichick "started out" with the Patriots and Brady, implying that Belichick drafted Brady for the purpose of being their starting QB. Which is a flat out load of crap.

And what is your thing with Jim Hart? And I also pointed out several other HOF qbs who had comparable stats to Vick and then all off sudden the stats became subjective.

You said Vick's 3 Pro Bowls and MVP "candidacy" (LOL!) proved he was elite. I picked Jim Hart because 1) His stats were comparable to Vick's and 2) He had more Pro Bowl appearances than Vick. Does that make him elite too? By your logic, it does. Get it now, or do I need to draw a picture?

You brought up stats of a few QBs and claimed Vick's were comparable so therefore, he must be great. I said "Great, let's analyze these stats." You could clearly see that in the case of Elway, for example, he had many terrible years. He also had a long string of GREAT years. THAT'S why he is regarded as elite, you tool. When Vick strings 3 or 4 great seasons together, we'll talk. Never breaking 3,000 yards passing and only once topping 80 in QB rating (and barely) doesn't qualify.

Oh, and those QBs also won championships, MVPs, etc. Something else that Vick lacks. Oops!

Just wipe the egg off your face. Just say, you were wrong. And you still didn't answer the answer question. How did Vick before this season become the highest paid qb if he was just medicore?

I DID answer that, you nitwit. MANY posts ago. How did Albert Haynesworth become the highest paid defensive lineman? The NFL is littered with players who signed HUGE contracts and weren't worth it.

You, on the other hand, have not answered or proven anything. Let me outline the debate:

Me: Vick, in Atlanta, was a mediocre QB.
Classy: No he wasn't! He went to 3 Pro Bowls and was an MVP candidate! (LOL!)
Me: Really? His stats say he was mediocre.
Classy: Stats don't matter!
Me: OK, Jim Hart went to 4 Pro Bowls and had comparable stats. Is he elite too?
Classy: Vick knows how to win!
Me: Really? Look at these winning percentages -- Vick is behind most of the prominent QBs.
Classy: Divert! Divert!
Me: No, you made the claim, and I proved you wrong.
Classy: Here! Look at these stats from Elway, Griese, etc! Vick is comparable!
Me: Errr, you said stats don't matter, but let me look. Ah, yes, these QBs have all won MVPs or championships. Furthermore, you can see that each has several strong years that qualify them as elite. Except for the ones you included who have NEVER been regarded as elite -- like Jim Everett.
Classy: But...but...Vick got a big contract! You never answered how that happened!!!!
Me: Errr, yes, I did. See: Albert Haynesworth.

 

[classy]

Haha, McNabb as one of the top six? I'd take Big Ben over McNabb; hell, probably even Eli over McNabb. And Rivers as top six? I'd put him with Eli - when he's good, he's good, but once he gets rattled, it's pick city, or those fun stunts like kicking the ball under the line.

Some guys on my list have struggled this season. But you just proved my point. I said before this Vick was one of the best qbs and nothing changed. He just got better. One season doesn't make or break a guy. Vick had lead a team to the conference finals, been rewarded with pro bowl selections, and thought highly enough by a franchise to get the richest contract in history. I am not the one who has judged a guy on one aspect of his talent or one season.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know, if a guy in in his first 5 seasons has lead a team to conference championship, been elected as a pro bowl qb 3 times, been regarded by damn near every nfl expert as having superior talent, and been given a $130 million contract, he may be a lot things, but that guy damn sure ain't mediocre. Thats like saying Bill Gates is an average business man. Vick brings out a lot emotions and most of the discussion around him is because of his off the field failures.

I don't like or dislike Vick, but I am not going to judge what guy can do on the field based on what he did off the field. I can seperate the two. I have said this and always will, while I would like see athletes be role models, we pay them to be athletes.

 

[classy]

LOL! Thanks for proving my point. Anyone else have trouble reading my previous post?

Here, let me spell it out and paraphrase. You said I didn't know football. I said "Really? You were the one that didn't know (or conveniently ignored) Belichick coached the Browns." You claimed Belichick "started out" with the Patriots and Brady, implying that Belichick drafted Brady for the purpose of being their starting QB. Which is a flat out load of crap.



You said Vick's 3 Pro Bowls and MVP "candidacy" (LOL!) proved he was elite. I picked Jim Hart because 1) His stats were comparable to Vick's and 2) He had more Pro Bowl appearances than Vick. Does that make him elite too? By your logic, it does. Get it now, or do I need to draw a picture?

You brought up stats of a few QBs and claimed Vick's were comparable so therefore, he must be great. I said "Great, let's analyze these stats." You could clearly see that in the case of Elway, for example, he had many terrible years. He also had a long string of GREAT years. THAT'S why he is regarded as elite, you tool. When Vick strings 3 or 4 great seasons together, we'll talk. Never breaking 3,000 yards passing and only once topping 80 in QB rating (and barely) doesn't qualify.

Oh, and those QBs also won championships, MVPs, etc. Something else that Vick lacks. Oops!



I DID answer that, you nitwit. MANY posts ago. How did Albert Haynesworth become the highest paid defensive lineman? The NFL is littered with players who signed HUGE contracts and weren't worth it.

You, on the other hand, have not answered or proven anything. Let me outline the debate:

Me: Vick, in Atlanta, was a mediocre QB.
Classy: No he wasn't! He went to 3 Pro Bowls and was an MVP candidate! (LOL!)
Me: Really? His stats say he was mediocre.
Classy: Stats don't matter!
Me: OK, Jim Hart went to 4 Pro Bowls and had comparable stats. Is he elite too?
Classy: Vick knows how to win!
Me: Really? Look at these winning percentages -- Vick is behind most of the prominent QBs.
Classy: Divert! Divert!
Me: No, you made the claim, and I proved you wrong.
Classy: Here! Look at these stats from Elway, Griese, etc! Vick is comparable!
Me: Errr, you said stats don't matter, but let me look. Ah, yes, these QBs have all won MVPs or championships. Furthermore, you can see that each has several strong years that qualify them as elite. Except for the ones you included who have NEVER been regarded as elite -- like Jim Everett.
Classy: But...but...Vick got a big contract! You never answered how that happened!!!!
Me: Errr, yes, I did. See: Albert Haynesworth.

LOL
You can't stand how stupid you look now calling the guy mediocre, hehehehehehehehehe

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I said before this Vick was one of the best qbs and nothing changed. He just got better.

Really? Is that what you said? Because in one post, you said 6 QBs playing today were better FOR SURE, and 6 to 7 more might be considered better. You then claimed no QB was better than Vick just a few posts later. Which was it? All of which, by the way, is beside the point since we all have said (repeatedly) that Vick is having an awesome year. It was his performance in Atlanta that was discussed.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

LOL
You can't stand how stupid you look now calling the guy mediocre, hehehehehehehehehe

In other words, you have nothing. Got it. Look at all the people laughing at you in this thread. You can't back up your Vick mancrush with any piece of evidence besides:

"3 Pro Bowls! MVP candidacy!"

LOL! I am almost embarrassed for you, but look at the bright side -- you have given the gift of laughter to hundreds, if not thousands, of people with your incomprehensible statements, back tracking, and logical inconsistencies.

 

[classy]

Now Indy I rebirthed this thread, lol, to ask you one question. Its yes or no. Do you still believe Vick in your "expert" opinion is a medicore QB?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I don't like or dislike Vick, but I am not going to judge what guy can do on the field based on what he did off the field. I can seperate the two. I have said this and always will, while I would like see athletes be role models, we pay them to be athletes.

You've been asked repeatedly, so I will ask you again. Please post where I said I dislike Vick because of what happened off the field. If you can't (and you can't because no posts exists), STFU and spare yourself further embarrassment.

 

[classy]

Really? Is that what you said? Because in one post, you said 6 QBs playing today were better FOR SURE, and 6 to 7 more might be considered better. You then claimed no QB was better than Vick just a few posts later. Which was it? All of which, by the way, is beside the point since we all have said (repeatedly) that Vick is having an awesome year. It was his performance in Atlanta that was discussed.

You are twisting some posts, but lets just cut to the chase.

Do you still believe Vick in your "expert" opinion is a medicore QB?

 

[classy]

You've been asked repeatedly, so I will ask you again. Please post where I said I dislike Vick because of what happened off the field. If you can't (and you can't because no posts exists), STFU and spare yourself further embarrassment.

Ok ok ok. Do you still believe Vick in your "expert" opinion is a medicore QB?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Now Indy I rebirthed this thread, lol, to ask you one question. Its yes or no. Do you still believe Vick in your "expert" opinion is a medicore QB?

Good Lord, can you read? I have answered that REPEATEDLY. Let me sum it up for you AGAIN:

This season? He is playing as one of the top QBs in the league this season and is playing exceptionally well. That is not mediocre.

Career? His career prior to this year was extremely average. I want to see multiple seasons like this one before I declare him an elite QB at the level of Brady or Manning (the only elites in the game).

 

[MotF Bane]

Ok ok ok. Do you still believe Vick in your "expert" opinion is a medicore QB?

One good season over a career of mediocrity does not make an elite.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You are twisting some posts, but lets just cut to the chase.

No, you said it. I quoted it for everyone to see.

 

[classy]

Good Lord, can you read? I have answered that REPEATEDLY. Let me sum it up for you AGAIN:

This season? He is playing as one of the top QBs in the league this season and is playing exceptionally well. That is not mediocre.

Career? His career prior to this year was extremely average. I want to see multiple seasons like this one before I declare him an elite QB at the level of Brady or Manning (the only elites in the game).

So he is not mediocre. Thats what I the frack I told you 8 weeks ago. Next time, shut up and pay attention. You might learn something.

 

[MotF Bane]

So he is not mediocre. Thats what I the frack I told you 8 weeks ago. Next time, shut up and pay attention. You might learn something.

/facepalm

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So he is not mediocre. Thats what I the frack I told you 8 weeks ago.

This is like talking to a 2 year old. Let me spell it out for you AGAIN -- this whole thread was about Vick's CAREER. He did not play for Philly any significant amount until THIS YEAR.

Get it? Career != 2010 Philly

We were discussing HIS CAREER. Get it?

CAREER

BEFORE this year. I have said -- REPEATEDLY -- that he has played exceptionally well this year. I have never disputed that, so stop being intellectually dishonest.

Is Brad Johnson an elite QB? He had an awesome year in 2002. Of course he isn't elite! He had a year where he played exceptionally well, but that's it.

What is it you think you have proven? That Vick is playing awesome this year? Sorry, you didn't prove that at all because WE ALL SAID IT AND AGREED. Where is this proof that he was an elite QB in Atlanta? You have none. At all.

Next time, shut up and pay attention. You might learn something.

Next time, learn to freaking read and understand context. Good Lord, I think my 4 year-old niece could understand these basic points.

 

[Kev]

Medicore passer, yes. But mediocre qb, no.

Are you really this stupid?

 

[classy]

/facepalm

Truthfully Ill end with this. I don't give a flying you know what about Vick. But I don't understand people when they just judge a person in their total based on one mistake. What the guy did was bad, very bad. But he didn't rape or kill anyone. He didn't hurt a kid. And in reading many of these posts including Indy you just get the sense more of the hatred was based on what he did off the field. Dude ain't never going to be Peyton, Johnny U, or Montana. But its completly assinine to say he is mediocre or say he is Jim Hart, not to bash Hart. Vick can and has done stuff very very few ever could. He deserved a second shot and hopefully he continues to make good on it. Oh and Indy I like how you slipped that "average career" in now on Vick. But then again with you who knows. Average and medicore may be interchangeable for you.