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Brovane

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So you are saying that Russia was right to invade Ukraine, and while they re at it why not Lettonia, Estonia and Lituania in a same row.?..

I am not saying that, but Venezuela under Maduro was a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.
 
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jdubs03

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I am not saying that, but Venezuela under Maduro was a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.
Except as of now the Maduro regime is still very much entrenched. Nothing good can happen for the people there if that regime continues on regime-ing.
 

Brovane

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Except as of now the Maduro regime is still very much entrenched. Nothing good can happen for the people there if that regime continues on regime-ing.
Is Panama better off now after the removal of Noriega by US forces in 1989?
 

balloonshark

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It's funny how the anti-immigration crowd is supporting these actions. Creating instability south of the border has always caused migration. If we actually gave a damn about immigration we would be aiding and developing relations with the countries to our south. Mass climate caused migrations are also just around the corner.

If I was a country I would starting up drone and nuke programs. I weep for our future.
 

K1052

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I am not saying that, but Venezuela under Maduro was a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.

The Chinese did not seem very interested in VZ besides buying some oil from them. If Xi really wanted to antagonize us Cuba is right there. Their interests lay much closer to home.
 

Fenixgoon

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American forces murdered at least 80 Venezuelans while kidnapping Maduro. Not that Republicans have ever been overly concerned about the people they kill but I thought it should be mentioned.
It is important to document for when the perpetrators can be held to account
 
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RnR_au

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Jaskalas

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Would you had said removing Noriega in 1989 was unprecedented? Bonus question, is Panama better off for it now?

The US by removing Maduro, removed a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.
We removed a man.
The regime, most of its leadership, most of its military, still exists. The Government of Venezuela HAS NOT CHANGED.
We attacked them, we kidnapped their leader. We royally pissed them off and demonstrated to them that they must attack us.

In what delusional head space, do you think they don't go running to China to bolster their options in the US / Venezuela war?
Even if we are completely successful in appearing to blackmail and extort them under threat and duress. They will spend every minute of every hour seeking allies and the strength to cast us down.
You have made sworn enemies.

Fired the first shot, and pretend it is victory. Fucking delusional!
 

jdubs03

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Is Panama better off now after the removal of Noriega by US forces in 1989?
Way to sidestep the point being made. Venezuela is a much larger country for one. It’s not apples-to-apples. As long as the underlings are there, the situation won’t materially change for the betterment of the people.
 

Brovane

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We removed a man.
The regime, most of its leadership, most of its military, still exists. The Government of Venezuela HAS NOT CHANGED.
We attacked them, we kidnapped their leader. We royally pissed them off and demonstrated to them that they must attack us.

In what delusional head space, do you think they don't go running to China to bolster their options in the US / Venezuela war?
Even if we are completely successful in appearing to blackmail and extort them under threat and duress. They will spend every minute of every hour seeking allies and the strength to cast us down.
You have made sworn enemies.

Fired the first shot, and pretend it is victory. Fucking delusional!

What is China going to do right now? Nothing except make a few noises about international law.
 
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RnR_au

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In what delusional head space, do you think they don't go running to China to bolster their options in the US / Venezuela war?
What is China going to do right now? Nothing except make a few noises about international law.

Interesting hypothetical... what would Trump do if Venezuela brought in Chinese oil people and money to restart their oil industry and then shipped it out guarded by Chinese warships?

Chinese might not be interested in Venezuela's oil, but they would sure as shit love to make another 'irritant' (like North Korea is) right on America's border.

Just how TACO is Trump? What an easy and cheap way to find out. Would be instructive for the Chinese in context of Taiwan.
 

K1052

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Interesting hypothetical... what would Trump do if Venezuela brought in Chinese oil people and money to restart their oil industry and then shipped it out guarded by Chinese warships?

Chinese might not be interested in Venezuela's oil, but they would sure as shit love to make another 'irritant' (like North Korea is) right on America's border.

China wants to buy energy from the lowest priced most convenient sources. That by definition includes sanctioned countries that have to sell at a discount. It is momentarily advantageous, nothing more.
 

Brovane

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Interesting hypothetical... what would Trump do if Venezuela brought in Chinese oil people and money to restart their oil industry and then shipped it out guarded by Chinese warships?

Chinese might not be interested in Venezuela's oil, but they would sure as shit love to make another 'irritant' (like North Korea is) right on America's border.

Just how TACO is Trump? What an easy and cheap way to find out. Would be instructive for the Chinese in context of Taiwan.

Maduro’s Arrest Isn’t About Oil — It’s About China
 

HomerJS

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Poor Homer, weeping over the loss his boyhood hero, Nicky Maduro. Keep fighting bro, the dictatorship lives on in his VP. Although she has promised to cooperate with the US according to Rubio.
Who do we invade and takeover next. You people keep bitching about comparing Trump to Hitler but Trump is following Hitler s playbook.

We invaded Poland so who is next?
 

cytg111

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This is what I am talking about when I say shit is no longer sliding towards conflict


He is basically saying that if you dont want to be a satellite state to one of the big powers ie USA, now is the time to think about what you gonna do about it.

I think the path forward is pretty clear ... ditch Greenland and annex Russia.
 

HomerJS

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Would you had said removing Noriega in 1989 was unprecedented? Bonus question, is Panama better off for it now?

The US by removing Maduro, removed a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.
Which country should we invade next?
 

HomerJS

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I am not saying that, but Venezuela under Maduro was a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.
Couldn’t Saddam Hussein make that same argument we he moved into Kuwait?
 

Jaskalas

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The US by removing Maduro, removed a future strategic threat vector in the Caribbean that both Russia and China would be all to willing to exploit.
What is China going to do right now? Nothing except make a few noises about international law.
You brought Russia and China into the subject.
Now you dismiss it.

Pick a lane.
 

Muse

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Trump's Cabinet knows what will happen to them if they disagree with Dear Leader.

I know that they want Greenland, but it's a bit more of a hard sell publicly, and I would even wonder if and military Brass would refuse to attack an allied unprovoked. I mean if everyone simply says no, what are they going to do, sail the ships themselves?
AFAIK there's zero justification for the USA invading Greenland. The only leverage Trump has is $$$ and Denmark has said no.
 

Brovane

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You brought Russia and China into the subject.
Now you dismiss it.

Pick a lane.

Because the US blocked China in VZ by removing Maduro. Maduro’s Arrest Isn’t About Oil — It’s About China

Which country should we invade next?

Was Panama better off after Noriega was removed from power?

Couldn’t Saddam Hussein make that same argument we he moved into Kuwait?

He could but how did that argument work out for him?