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amenx said:
Anyone working for Chevron or other US interests in VZ may likely be a kidnap target. Esp if they are American. They will have to be herded into safe zones like in Iraq.
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The issue of competency is in the Trump Administration, not in the ability of US SOF Operators to execute operations. I doubt anybody with a couple of brain cells to rub together in VZ wants Delta operators to pay them a visit.
 
The US already imports 25% of VZ production via Chevron...

Are there US takers for the rest? Maybe, depends on the price. But overall this doesn't actually mater since oil is globally traded and the Chinese (who had been buying most of the rest) will just look elsewhere for similar grades to replace it. Canada probably. Anywho VZ is probably not going to be able to much exceed 1M bpd even under the best circumstances without massive reinvestment.

https://bsky.app/profile/reuters.com%2Fpost%2F3mbrpb5g3ak2l
 
K1052 said:
The US already imports 25% of VZ production via Chevron...

Are there US takers for the rest? Maybe, depends on the price. But overall this doesn't actually mater since oil is globally traded and the Chinese (who had been buying most of the rest) will just look elsewhere for similar grades to replace it. Canada probably. Anywho VZ is probably not going to be able to much exceed 1M bpd even under the best circumstances without massive reinvestment.

https://bsky.app/profile/reuters.com%2Fpost%2F3mbrpb5g3ak2l
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I have been saying 'oil is a global commodity' until I'm blue in the face for I don't even know how many years. Yes there are regional things that can affect supply, etc., but overall exactly to your point people already buy all the oil that's out there and we won't be changing our prices much by doing this.
 
Brovane said:
The issue of competency is in the Trump Administration, not in the ability of US SOF Operators to execute operations. I doubt anybody with a couple of brain cells to rub together in VZ wants Delta operators to pay them a visit.
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I'm sure some dimwit said the same about Iraq. Anyone with links to the US, translaters, drivers, employees of services, etc was a target and the death toll was considerable. Dedicated resistance movements dont give a fuck about Delta ops, even if they knew they may eventually get killed for it.
 
fskimospy said:
I have been saying 'oil is a global commodity' until I'm blue in the face for I don't even know how many years. Yes there are regional things that can affect supply, etc., but overall exactly to your point people already buy all the oil that's out there and we won't be changing our prices much by doing this.
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Yea ultimately the outcome here is US refiners buy less Canadian oil to sub in VZ supply then the Canadians simply sell that excess to the Chinese (who were getting it from VZ). There is no net gain for anybody, just pointlessly moving the pieces around.
 
amenx said:
Just few months ago, Tulsi Gabbard: the US “counterproductive and endless cycle of regime change or nation-building” was over.

Lofty sentiment. Will she resign in protest to prove she does not support what has occured?

www.yahoo.com

Tulsi Gabbard Said US ‘Cycle Of Regime Change’ Was Over – Just 2 Months Before Maduro Arrest

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard told a crowd in October that the “counterproductive and endless cycle of regime change or nation-building” was over– a little over a month before Presid...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Oh.. theres more (2019, Trumps first term): “The United States has a disastrous history of military intervention and regime change around the world, which has brought suffering to millions of people, bankrupted our country, dishonored our troops, and its undermined our national security,” she said.

www.independent.co.uk

Tulsi Gabbard warned in 2019 that US intervention in Venezuela would be ‘disastrous’

Tulsi Gabbard has previously been slammed for her links to Bashar al-Assad and her praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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She meant regime-change or nation building within the US.
 
WelshBloke said:
Personally I think that it's more about keeping China from investing in Venezuelan oil than drugs or the US investing in Venezuelan oil.
I think that the US would rather keep South America disfuctional than let China get a foothold.
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Indeed it is.

This documentary (Partially in dutch, partially in English, partially in Spanish ; Use subtitles) shows what the Chinese have been doing in several South American countries, building infrastructure, creating contracts, buying oil, buying raw materials. But it is not just the Chinese.
One could say, the Chinese are investing in South American companies in exchange for oil and resources and raw materials. And that is what the USA should have been doing. But they didn't.
The Chinese even seem to sell and deliver weapons to Venezuela.


And now for some time the Trump Administration has been eyeing everything that is going on in South America. Marco Rubio is very clear about what he wants to do.
See the interview (youtube news video) with Marco Rubio post in #575 :



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amenx said:
I'm sure some dimwit said the same about Iraq. Anyone with links to the US, translaters, drivers, employees of services, etc was a target and the death toll was considerable. Dedicated resistance movements dont give a fuck about Delta ops, even if they knew they may eventually get killed for it.
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Iraq isn't Venezuela, yet.
 
K1052 said:
Yea ultimately the outcome here is US refiners buy less Canadian oil to sub in VZ supply then the Canadians simply sell that excess to the Chinese (who were getting it from VZ). There is no net gain for anybody, just pointlessly moving the pieces around.
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There is a surplus on the oil side of things right now. I doubt anybody in the Trump administration understands what that means right now. Injecting additional oil into the market from VZ is probably going to result in cuts to production from somewhere else, starting with those sources with higher production costs. The only silver lining is this will not be good news for Russia. Shale Oil Trump supporters in Texas are probably not happy. Chances of a oil bust in the Gulf Coast just went up.
 
FelixDeCat said:
We could solve the US housing problem overnight by making Canada a state then build millions of new tiny homes on all that land. Have then finished in a year with no regulation and all that free lumber.
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It is kind of amazing that you think US housing problems are due to a lack of open space.

Have you, uhmmm, ever seen the United States?
 
William Gaatjes said:
Indeed it is.

This documentary (Partially in dutch, partially in English, partially in Spanish ; Use subtitles) shows what the Chinese have been doing in several South American countries, building infrastructure, creating contracts, buying oil, buying raw materials. But it is not just the Chinese.
One could say, the Chinese are investing in South American companies in exchange for oil and resources and raw materials. And that is what the USA should have been doing. But they didn't.
The Chinese even seem to sell and deliver weapons to Venezuela.


And now for some time the Trump Administration has been eyeing everything that is going on in South America. Marco Rubio is very clear about what he wants to do.
See the interview (youtube news video) with Marco Rubio post in #575 :



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Immigration being the signal that we (US) has been doing anything positive in the region for years. China has moved into the US vacuum all over the world. But, it's China's fault, definitely not ours./s
 
evident said:
what food products you eat from greece? kalamata olives? I'm all for italy and france though. love their wines.
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I'm of Greek origin so that is like a special request. Also let's add Spain. Iberico pork is fucking amazing, both as a cured meat, and in a regularly coooked dish.
 
Ironic that the US had closer ties with (and helped install) anti-democratic dictators in Latin America than the other way around.
 
hal2kilo said:
Immigration being the signal that we (US) has been doing anything positive in the region for years. China has moved into the US vacuum all over the world. But, it's China's fault, definitely not ours./s
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The thing is that the Chinese because of their immense wealth been investing in port terminals and even buying some all over the world and investing in much more. As example, also in the Netherlands, but also all over Europe. It is a commercial move and can come in handy geopoliticially if necessary deemed by the Chinese government. And now many people in the EU are concerned about spying and stealing state of the art technology.
But in South America, there is also some hightech but not at the huge level as seen as in the western world and part of the Asian world, like for example Japan or South Korea.
South America is mostly important for the oil and the resources and the raw materials. But when the Chinese investers and engineers come to countries in South America, when done right, the living standard and the wealth of those countries increases as well. So, it makes sense that in the eyes of people, the Chinese will be favored more than for example the USA.

The problem of course are the regimes. Lets have an example country, i am not calling any names : But the problem is also that it is not unheard of that underpayed government officials turn a blind eye when it comes to drugs smuggling. And even get a little bit money paid, money earned by drugs trafficking.
The question is then, is the whole government responsible or just a few.

However when the regime is constantly monitoring everybody and creates a culture where everybody rats on everybody, then it is impossible that the leaders of such a regime would not know about it.

What i would like to see is that president Trump orders the soldiers not to destroy the drugs and the boats but instead capture the drugs as proof. A huge pile of cocaine and fentanyl shown to the press, that would help a lot with the image of the Trump administration.
Of course, everything can be faked but we have to start with trust somewhere...
 
K1052 said:
This is awesome messaging for a President whom the public overwhelmingly thinks is doing a bad job on domestic issues, you know the stuff they actually care about.
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He doesn't have to win elections any more. He just has to not piss people off so much as to cause a revolution.
 
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