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Venezuela thread

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Brovane said:
Remember, Democrats also called for Maduro being ousted, just not using physical force. Maduro was charged in 2020 and the Biden Administration never withdrew those charges during his term in office and neither did his administration withdraw the bounty for his arrest. I would say he wasn't aligned with US interests. I would also agree with you that I doubt that the Trump has a plan nor the competency to bring in a Democratic government in VZ. This has a high likelihood of going sideways.




Well team America has a long history of doing that in central and south America. As I said earlier, Maduro found himself no longer aligned with US interests and didn't take the strong hints to course correct.

It was President Theodore Roosevelt who said "Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far".
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No one gives a fuck about what so and so said or supported in the past. The issue is Trump is acting unilaterally and anti-constitutionally, with no strategic vision whatsoever, and no clear threat to the United States that would warrant bypassing Congress.
 
Definitely saw this coming a mile away. Let the taxpayers get the oil barons and Trump's friends rich


Trump suggests US taxpayers could reimburse oil firms for Venezuela investment​

President says a ‘tremendous amount of money’ will need to be spent repairing country’s infrastructure
www.theguardian.com
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MrSquished said:
Definitely saw this coming a mile away. Let the taxpayers get the oil barons and Trump's friends rich


Trump suggests US taxpayers could reimburse oil firms for Venezuela investment​

President says a ‘tremendous amount of money’ will need to be spent repairing country’s infrastructure
www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com
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This is awesome messaging for a President whom the public overwhelmingly thinks is doing a bad job on domestic issues, you know the stuff they actually care about.
 
Brainonska511 said:
No one gives a fuck about what so and so said or supported in the past.
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MAGA Nazis also DGAF if the United States is a Democracy.
They argue in court that every day of the Trump Presidency is a national emergency, therefore Dear Leader can bypass laws, rules, regulations, Congress. None of it is material to the interests of Dear Leader. If he wants to loot another country of oil, that's his god given right as dictator.
 
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Brainonska511 said:
No one gives a fuck about what so and so said or supported in the past. The issue is Trump is acting unilaterally and anti-constitutionally, with no strategic vision whatsoever, and no clear threat to the United States that would warrant bypassing Congress.
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Previous administrations have established the precedent that POTUS can act without congressional authorization for these types of "limited" military actions. Still waiting for Congress to do anything about this.

K1052 said:
This is awesome messaging for a President whom the public overwhelmingly thinks is doing a bad job on domestic issues, you know the stuff they actually care about.
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One thing Trump is good at, is saying the quiet part out loud.
 
Just few months ago, Tulsi Gabbard: the US “counterproductive and endless cycle of regime change or nation-building” was over.

Lofty sentiment. Will she resign in protest to prove she does not support what has occured?

www.yahoo.com

Tulsi Gabbard Said US ‘Cycle Of Regime Change’ Was Over – Just 2 Months Before Maduro Arrest

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard told a crowd in October that the “counterproductive and endless cycle of regime change or nation-building” was over– a little over a month before Presid...
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com

Oh.. theres more (2019, Trumps first term): “The United States has a disastrous history of military intervention and regime change around the world, which has brought suffering to millions of people, bankrupted our country, dishonored our troops, and its undermined our national security,” she said.

www.independent.co.uk

Tulsi Gabbard warned in 2019 that US intervention in Venezuela would be ‘disastrous’

Tulsi Gabbard has previously been slammed for her links to Bashar al-Assad and her praise of Russian President Vladimir Putin
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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MrSquished said:
Definitely saw this coming a mile away. Let the taxpayers get the oil barons and Trump's friends rich


Trump suggests US taxpayers could reimburse oil firms for Venezuela investment​

President says a ‘tremendous amount of money’ will need to be spent repairing country’s infrastructure
www.theguardian.com
www.theguardian.com
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But the Somalis are the biggest frauds in the country? Take from the average guy to give to billionaires.

As per the usual lemming like behavior the MAGAts will be right on board. Right wing media will begin promoting this immediately.

Can't wait for the Kool Aid moment
 
Brovane said:
Previous administrations have established the precedent that POTUS can act without congressional authorization for these types of "limited" military actions. Still waiting for Congress to do anything about this.



One thing Trump is good at, is saying the quiet part out loud.
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Who was the last President that did this without an AUMF, a declaration of war or a retaliation to an attack on US troops?
 
Looks like Trumps well studied plan is working swimmingly.

Avenida Boyacá, a highway running alongside El Avila National Park in Venezuela’s capital, has ground to a halt because masked men holding Kalashnikovs are stopping drivers and demanding to search their phones and cars.

The gangs of armed men, part of pro-Maduro militias known as Colectivos, scoured vehicles at hastily erected checkpoints following a government directive to root out Venezuelans in support of the US’s brazen capture of Nicolás Maduro...

www.telegraph.co.uk

Maduro’s motorcycle thugs go door to door in hunt for Trump supporters

Loyalists scour Caracas for signs of dissent and celebration of US raid
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk

Wonder if they'll go into ISIS mode when encountering Americans.
 
Fenixgoon said:
Dumbest fucking timeline
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I saw that last night and thought ooh more socialism.

Donald Trump could put on a “I heart Joseph Stalin” shirt and his devout followers would cheer him for it. He could convert them from free-market capitalism to communist in a heartbeat. They have no semblance on free thought.
 
Jaskalas said:
Huh?
Did you miss the central planning directly from the White House in 2025?
Trump is personally picking winners and losers. Adjusting tariff policy by the bribe.
The entire US economy has a knife to its throat. At the whims and mercy of a mad tyrant.

So I ask, what free market?
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I was being sarcastic.
 
HomerJS said:
Who was the last President that did this without an AUMF, a declaration of war or a retaliation to an attack on US troops?
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1989 US invasion of Panama, no AUMF.

1999 US bombing of Kosovo was conducted with any AUMF.

The 2001 AUMF after 9/11 has been used by every POTUS since to basically give them authorization to do whatever they want in the Middle East.
William Gaatjes said:
Yes, but does that mean other oil and gas companies cannot be present in Venezuela ?
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No, but just pointing out that a US oil company is already invested and in VZ.
 
Brovane said:
1989 US invasion of Panama, no AUMF.

1999 US bombing of Kosovo was conducted with any AUMF.

The 2001 AUMF after 9/11 has been used by every POTUS since to basically give them authorization to do whatever they want in the Middle East.


No, but just pointing out that a US oil company is already invested and in VZ.
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Well sort of. Panama was done with the acquiescence of the legitimately elected government and Kosovo was pursuant to several UN Security Council resolutions.

As for if people think that's insufficient justification that's fine but there was more for either of those than for this, for which there was nothing.
 
fskimospy said:
Well sort of. Panama was done with the acquiescence of the legitimately elected government and Kosovo was pursuant to several UN Security Council resolutions.

As for if people think that's insufficient justification that's fine but there was more for either of those than for this, for which there was nothing.
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It's pretty amazing that Republicans control 3 branches of government, but still insist on doing things the stupid illegal way.
 
Brovane said:
1989 US invasion of Panama, no AUMF.

1999 US bombing of Kosovo was conducted with any AUMF.

The 2001 AUMF after 9/11 has been used by every POTUS since to basically give them authorization to do whatever they want in the Middle East.


No, but just pointing out that a US oil company is already invested and in VZ.
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I know, Chevron was the only US oil company remaining.
But from the (nieuwsuur, post #570, see link below) documentary i know that Delcy Rodriguez also had attraced Chinese investers to invest into the oil infrastructure to increase the oil output and make more money again to the benefit of Venezuela.
The Venezuela government did not want US companies anymore because the Venezuela government had the strong feeling that most of the profit went to the USA and not to Venezuela.

See youtube (i set the time at 721 seconds.)

As a sidenote, Venezuela really did lose all experts in oil because in the documentary it is mentioned that they have trouble producing proper gasoline. The gasoline detonates too early at random, not only during the ignition moment. I think the engines are knocking. Wrong octane level.
The engines explode and car fires happen. This is shown in the documentary.
I am not an Internal Combustion Engine (ICE) expert but i can understand this text : "An engine knocking due to low octane means the fuel is igniting prematurely (detonating) under pressure".

See youtube (i set the time at 288 seconds.)


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FelixDeCat said:
I support this move. Appoint Baron Trump special adviser to the oil minister so he can oversee oil baron interests.
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Really his first name should be "oil", middle name "baron" and then surname "trump"

Points for an actually funny post. You should do more of this. Become the new TFP
 
amenx said:
President of a country with a standing army being accused of posessing machine guns. Says the stupidest AG of the stupidest admin of the stupidest pres in US history.
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Aren't those the original charges that Trump filed in 2020?
 
Personally if we are going to start regime change and invading our allies for stuff, can we do France, Italy, and Greece? I need some of their food products to go down in price - from cheeses to meats. Can we get on that? I need cheaper Prosciutto and Pecorino-Romano.
 
Anyone working for Chevron or other US interests in VZ may likely be a kidnap target. Esp if they are American. They will have to be herded into safe zones like in Iraq.
 
MrSquished said:
Personally if we are going to start regime change and invading our allies for stuff, can we do France, Italy, and Greece? I need some of their food products to go down in price - from cheeses to meats. Can we get on that? I need cheaper Prosciutto and Pecorino-Romano.
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We could solve the US housing problem overnight by making Canada a state then build millions of new tiny homes on all that land. Have then finished in a year with no regulation and all that free lumber.
 
MrSquished said:
Personally if we are going to start regime change and invading our allies for stuff, can we do France, Italy, and Greece? I need some of their food products to go down in price - from cheeses to meats. Can we get on that? I need cheaper Prosciutto and Pecorino-Romano.
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what food products you eat from greece? kalamata olives? I'm all for italy and france though. love their wines.
 
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