Bateluer
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2001
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Well, I got an explanation for why the servers are so unstable. Seems they are in house servers at Sigil. They are not the live servers that will be used for the live version. Thats a plus. Now if I could actually play for more than 20 minutes at a time.
I still thinks it funny that my lithe, sexy, halfling bard turns into a 300lb jumbo with fugly hair when I log in.
I still thinks it funny that my lithe, sexy, halfling bard turns into a 300lb jumbo with fugly hair when I log in.
Bateluer
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2001
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New Patch notes from the patch that went up this evening.
Vanguard Build 01647 Patch Notes 1/5/2007
GAMEPLAY
- Fix for the sometimes issue where you couldn't player to player trade because it thought you were using the mailbox, but you actually weren't
- Gear that sometimes didn't show its health until you log out and log back in should correctly display its health at all times now.
- Damage over time and healing over time abilities now display the total damage not the damage per pulse in the description
ADVENTURING
- Dread Knight - Greatly increased the damage done by Word of Doom.
- Dread Knight - Shadow Meld stance is now available at level 25, up from level 1.
- Dread Knight - Armor of Darkness is now available at level 10, up from level 1.
- Necromancer - Players should now be able to cancel the buff that Shadow Feast gives them.
- Necromancer - The CON debuff portion of Shadow Feast now increases at higher levels.
CRAFTING
- Fixed some complications that were asking for tools when they should not have
- Fixed some complications that were asking for the wrong tools
- Deconstruction recipes have been fixed
- Deconstruction results should work properly now
- Complications hit points have been reduced
- Complications durations have been altered
- Tutorial assembly issues should be resolved
DIPLOMACY
- All newbie races for Diplomacy are available except High Elf. Attempt no landings there.
- Civic Diplomacy is functional in Bordinar's Cleft, Lomshir, and Konarthi Point. Loot, dialogues, and balance are not at their intended state, but testing is needed on the levers themselves.
- Several new Diplomacy quests have been activated throughout Telon.
- Numerous bug fixes in the Kojani Human, Orc, Goblin, Varanjar, Varanthari, Lesser Giant, and Dragon newbie lines. One of the previous races is a lie.
- Deck tweaks in several newbie lines.
- Trainers should now actually make an attempt to beat you at parley during the Repeal and Rebuttal training quests.
WORLD POPULATION
- Vulmane Diplomacy: The new training line for vulmane diplomacy is now up in Dahknarg. Seek out Swiftfang Torsh near Silvermane Hall to begin your journey on the road to saving Dahknarg!
- Tharridon the Mighty should no longer aggro helpless players from great distances so players have a chance to react before they're squashed into oblivion.
- Marsh of Peril Armor Quest: The 'Vurm' tome should now be attainable.
GUI
- Removed the Change Server button until it can be made functional.
- Cleaned up the death release popup.
- Ability examine popups now display the target type of the ability. (e.g. Self, Group, etc.)
- Weaknesses in ability examine popups will now display the appropriate weakness icon.
CODING
- Fixed an assembly bug in which if you had two items of the same name, one of which met a requirement and one which didn't, it would sometimes pick the wrong one and then fail to assemble.
~The Vanguard Team
Vanguard Build 01647 Patch Notes 1/5/2007
GAMEPLAY
- Fix for the sometimes issue where you couldn't player to player trade because it thought you were using the mailbox, but you actually weren't
- Gear that sometimes didn't show its health until you log out and log back in should correctly display its health at all times now.
- Damage over time and healing over time abilities now display the total damage not the damage per pulse in the description
ADVENTURING
- Dread Knight - Greatly increased the damage done by Word of Doom.
- Dread Knight - Shadow Meld stance is now available at level 25, up from level 1.
- Dread Knight - Armor of Darkness is now available at level 10, up from level 1.
- Necromancer - Players should now be able to cancel the buff that Shadow Feast gives them.
- Necromancer - The CON debuff portion of Shadow Feast now increases at higher levels.
CRAFTING
- Fixed some complications that were asking for tools when they should not have
- Fixed some complications that were asking for the wrong tools
- Deconstruction recipes have been fixed
- Deconstruction results should work properly now
- Complications hit points have been reduced
- Complications durations have been altered
- Tutorial assembly issues should be resolved
DIPLOMACY
- All newbie races for Diplomacy are available except High Elf. Attempt no landings there.
- Civic Diplomacy is functional in Bordinar's Cleft, Lomshir, and Konarthi Point. Loot, dialogues, and balance are not at their intended state, but testing is needed on the levers themselves.
- Several new Diplomacy quests have been activated throughout Telon.
- Numerous bug fixes in the Kojani Human, Orc, Goblin, Varanjar, Varanthari, Lesser Giant, and Dragon newbie lines. One of the previous races is a lie.
- Deck tweaks in several newbie lines.
- Trainers should now actually make an attempt to beat you at parley during the Repeal and Rebuttal training quests.
WORLD POPULATION
- Vulmane Diplomacy: The new training line for vulmane diplomacy is now up in Dahknarg. Seek out Swiftfang Torsh near Silvermane Hall to begin your journey on the road to saving Dahknarg!
- Tharridon the Mighty should no longer aggro helpless players from great distances so players have a chance to react before they're squashed into oblivion.
- Marsh of Peril Armor Quest: The 'Vurm' tome should now be attainable.
GUI
- Removed the Change Server button until it can be made functional.
- Cleaned up the death release popup.
- Ability examine popups now display the target type of the ability. (e.g. Self, Group, etc.)
- Weaknesses in ability examine popups will now display the appropriate weakness icon.
CODING
- Fixed an assembly bug in which if you had two items of the same name, one of which met a requirement and one which didn't, it would sometimes pick the wrong one and then fail to assemble.
~The Vanguard Team
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OMG I'm getting a constant >650Kb/s and the download still has 3 hours remaining 
Guess I'll have to install and play tomorrow.
KT
Guess I'll have to install and play tomorrow.
KT
Bateluer
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2001
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Patch notes for 6 Jan 2007
Vanguard Build 01648 Patch Notes 1/6/2007
GAMEPLAY
- Flagged all mundane gear (armor, weapons, etc.) as bindable.
- The temporary teleporters have gone through some changes, however, they are still active fairly tempermental. Temporary Tempermental Teleporters (TTT)
ADVENTURING
- Cleric - Lowered the cast time of Anathema to 2 seconds
- Druid - Berries should be tradable again.
- Psionicist - Fixed amplifying returns with Thought Pulse. It should now act more appropriately.
- Psionicist - adjusted the mana regen on Union of Thought and Acumen down a bit.
- Sorcerer - Particle effect on 'Feedback' portion of arcane spells has been removed.
CRAFTING
- Grodek now offers the blacksmith apprentice quest to blacksmiths instead of outfitters.
- You can now study the book for the Thestran Initiate Outfitter quest.
DIPLOMACY
- Vulmane diplomacy. Players should be able to hail trainer and begin line.
- Vulmane Diplomacy: Players should be able to finish "Rock and Roll" quest now.
- Vulmane Diplomacy: Fixed to make sure players get to keep rewards at end of line.
- Vulmane Diplomacy: Fixed spectral "Aspect" models on hill. Now in line with what's available in Thestra.
- Varanjar Diplomacy: Should be able to now beat Bartender Ogrash and Speiglesprock Greenfield in parley.
WORLD POPULATION
- The Lomshir Horsethief quests have been reworked slightly.
- The Vaelwyn Plot: the area in which the distraction can be use it slightly larger. Still much smaller than the distraction itself.
- The quest, "A Fine Opportunity" should now make a lot more sense.
- The quest, "A Fate Worse Than Death" should now make a lot more sense.
- The quest, "Lost Daughter" should be a little clearer.
- Players taking the quest, "Village Scouting" should now know which directions to scout in.
- Fallen aukfruit should now look like what they're supposed to, as should pristine aukfruit and rotten aukfruit.
- The totems of Krigus in the temple of Vol Tuniel should now look like statues of flies.
- Removed floating name, "Smuggler's Cave" under Karibasa, as that it does not exist.
- Farzeen in Khal no longer thinks he is Abad.
- Investigator Trenkle speaks correctly now.
- Callie Potter, in Tursh, no longer stands inside tables.
- The group quest, "Failings of the Mayor" is now marked as group.
- Added several signposts throughout Dahknarg to assist with a new quest progression we just added.
- Fixed a signpost in 'Spirit's Rest' so new players don't have a sign pointing to their starting area that reads "DANGER!"
- Implemented 5-part progressive quest line to help move new players out of Dahknarg all the way up to Lake Carlsson
- Players should find most of the quests now have accurate Travel Journal Entries
- Edited multiple quests to clarify/add directions to the various objectives. Should be much easier to understand now
- Adjusted spawn timers throughout the starting areas to give more players opportunity to finish their quests
- The Tuatiren lizardman complained about it being a little cold outside, so we gave them something to wear
- The Tuatiren lizardman now have guardians watching over their egg nest
- Quest in Temple of Dailuk: Abduction: will now give a map location when you accept it
- Sirens population in the water is a bit more reasonable
- Maera encounter is now working as intended
- Quest rewards in Mekalia, Khal, Martok, Caiel'Brael and Tanvu have been adjusted.
GUI
- Fixed a bug causing chat name links (click to /tell) not to work correctly.
- Fixed a bug with /openall not working when you don't have bags equipped.
- Fixed a bug causing hotkey macro saving and editing to not work on hotkey banks 2-10.
CODING
- The F key is now bound to /assist by default. Some adjustments have been made to the reaction keybinds to compensate.
- Your settings and keybindings will be reset to the defaults. If you've heavily customized your settings, you may wish to make a copy of VGClient.ini and User.ini before you enter the game. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
~The Vanguard Team
Edit - Almost makes me nostalgic for my EQ2 monk
Gamespy article
VG Beta Info and Status page
Vanguard Build 01648 Patch Notes 1/6/2007
GAMEPLAY
- Flagged all mundane gear (armor, weapons, etc.) as bindable.
- The temporary teleporters have gone through some changes, however, they are still active fairly tempermental. Temporary Tempermental Teleporters (TTT)
ADVENTURING
- Cleric - Lowered the cast time of Anathema to 2 seconds
- Druid - Berries should be tradable again.
- Psionicist - Fixed amplifying returns with Thought Pulse. It should now act more appropriately.
- Psionicist - adjusted the mana regen on Union of Thought and Acumen down a bit.
- Sorcerer - Particle effect on 'Feedback' portion of arcane spells has been removed.
CRAFTING
- Grodek now offers the blacksmith apprentice quest to blacksmiths instead of outfitters.
- You can now study the book for the Thestran Initiate Outfitter quest.
DIPLOMACY
- Vulmane diplomacy. Players should be able to hail trainer and begin line.
- Vulmane Diplomacy: Players should be able to finish "Rock and Roll" quest now.
- Vulmane Diplomacy: Fixed to make sure players get to keep rewards at end of line.
- Vulmane Diplomacy: Fixed spectral "Aspect" models on hill. Now in line with what's available in Thestra.
- Varanjar Diplomacy: Should be able to now beat Bartender Ogrash and Speiglesprock Greenfield in parley.
WORLD POPULATION
- The Lomshir Horsethief quests have been reworked slightly.
- The Vaelwyn Plot: the area in which the distraction can be use it slightly larger. Still much smaller than the distraction itself.
- The quest, "A Fine Opportunity" should now make a lot more sense.
- The quest, "A Fate Worse Than Death" should now make a lot more sense.
- The quest, "Lost Daughter" should be a little clearer.
- Players taking the quest, "Village Scouting" should now know which directions to scout in.
- Fallen aukfruit should now look like what they're supposed to, as should pristine aukfruit and rotten aukfruit.
- The totems of Krigus in the temple of Vol Tuniel should now look like statues of flies.
- Removed floating name, "Smuggler's Cave" under Karibasa, as that it does not exist.
- Farzeen in Khal no longer thinks he is Abad.
- Investigator Trenkle speaks correctly now.
- Callie Potter, in Tursh, no longer stands inside tables.
- The group quest, "Failings of the Mayor" is now marked as group.
- Added several signposts throughout Dahknarg to assist with a new quest progression we just added.
- Fixed a signpost in 'Spirit's Rest' so new players don't have a sign pointing to their starting area that reads "DANGER!"
- Implemented 5-part progressive quest line to help move new players out of Dahknarg all the way up to Lake Carlsson
- Players should find most of the quests now have accurate Travel Journal Entries
- Edited multiple quests to clarify/add directions to the various objectives. Should be much easier to understand now
- Adjusted spawn timers throughout the starting areas to give more players opportunity to finish their quests
- The Tuatiren lizardman complained about it being a little cold outside, so we gave them something to wear
- The Tuatiren lizardman now have guardians watching over their egg nest
- Quest in Temple of Dailuk: Abduction: will now give a map location when you accept it
- Sirens population in the water is a bit more reasonable
- Maera encounter is now working as intended
- Quest rewards in Mekalia, Khal, Martok, Caiel'Brael and Tanvu have been adjusted.
GUI
- Fixed a bug causing chat name links (click to /tell) not to work correctly.
- Fixed a bug with /openall not working when you don't have bags equipped.
- Fixed a bug causing hotkey macro saving and editing to not work on hotkey banks 2-10.
CODING
- The F key is now bound to /assist by default. Some adjustments have been made to the reaction keybinds to compensate.
- Your settings and keybindings will be reset to the defaults. If you've heavily customized your settings, you may wish to make a copy of VGClient.ini and User.ini before you enter the game. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.
~The Vanguard Team
Edit - Almost makes me nostalgic for my EQ2 monk
Gamespy article
VG Beta Info and Status page
- Apr 23, 2000
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I had a monk too in EQ2,as to Vanguard I did manage to play earlier today with a new ranger alt,started in a new area so that was cool,never had any crashes,apart from when you exit to windows while the game is running,always best to exit Vanguard first.
Game was still laggy,hope it's better on final release.I like the graphics and choice of alts, there was about 3500 logged on while I was playing.
Bateluer
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2001
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Additional update that happened yesterday, smaller patch notes for a small patch.
Vanguard Updates 1/6/2007:
- The new PVP server is up
Ruleset updates are as follows:
- Must be within 5 levels of your target
- Faction Based
- Factions are Martok and Qalia vs Thestra and Youngree factions
Vanguard Build 01651 Patch Notes 1/6/2007
GUI
- Fixed a bug causing chat name links (click to /tell) not to work correctly.
Vanguard Updates 1/6/2007:
- The new PVP server is up
Ruleset updates are as follows:
- Must be within 5 levels of your target
- Faction Based
- Factions are Martok and Qalia vs Thestra and Youngree factions
Vanguard Build 01651 Patch Notes 1/6/2007
GUI
- Fixed a bug causing chat name links (click to /tell) not to work correctly.
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I finally got this all downloaded, updated, installed and my account created (phew). Now I am stuck on character creation.
Does anyone have any recommendations? I am currently playing an Elf Hunter in LOTRO Beta, which is ok, but I was thinking I would like something a little more magic oriented this time around. So hard to decide though; I created three different guys and deleted them all because I was not sure
KT
Does anyone have any recommendations? I am currently playing an Elf Hunter in LOTRO Beta, which is ok, but I was thinking I would like something a little more magic oriented this time around. So hard to decide though; I created three different guys and deleted them all because I was not sure
KT
- Apr 23, 2000
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Blood mage seems popular for magic users,I have a monk and ranger on vanguard,just try a few different ones,remember it's beta, so now's the best time to experiment with different classes.
Btw it's worth having a few different classes since you start in different areas,so new scenery to explore etc....
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Hmm, interesting, thanks very much. I am totally new to this type of game so I am not really sure how all of these things work. I certainly did not know about the last part.
I'll have to spend some time sorting through all of that tonight.
KT
I am not tring to thread crap but is it not legal / right to discuss anything about the game while it is in it's beta stages... are not all the beta players suppose to follow the NDA by not posting the patch notes? This is just a question... not a bash.
This game does nothing for me... does not capture me at all..
played a couple hours now in between server crashes...
you can keep the graphics... dont like them even on super high..
rather look at WoW than Vanguard..
game seems rather unpolished for such a late beta test..
feels more like an Alpha or a closed beta1
archery is halfassed done.. gotta be almost on top of the mob before you can shoot making it worthless.
char animations are stiff and look like they mapped a complete novice swinging a sword.
quests are way way worse than WoWs already..
fonts are horrible over peoples heads and monsters.. chat system is lame..
wont be wasting any time on this game..
I was a HUGE EQ1 player loved it..
Liked EQ2 but not as much..
tried this for about 4 hours and Im done with the game..
its bad..
played a couple hours now in between server crashes...
you can keep the graphics... dont like them even on super high..
rather look at WoW than Vanguard..
game seems rather unpolished for such a late beta test..
feels more like an Alpha or a closed beta1
archery is halfassed done.. gotta be almost on top of the mob before you can shoot making it worthless.
char animations are stiff and look like they mapped a complete novice swinging a sword.
quests are way way worse than WoWs already..
fonts are horrible over peoples heads and monsters.. chat system is lame..
wont be wasting any time on this game..
I was a HUGE EQ1 player loved it..
Liked EQ2 but not as much..
tried this for about 4 hours and Im done with the game..
its bad..
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SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
IMHO - Welcome to the World of Vanguardcraft. I logged in, and I felt like I needed to be looking for some dancing nightelves almost immediately. They've done their best to copy most every aspect of WoW, including the lag and server crashes.
I was in Beta since 2.5 (last March).... It was originally Microsoft, and moved over to SOE in Beta 3 months later.
Honestly, the game was best in Beta 2.5. Since then the game has since been WoWified... If they had the gameplay of Beta 2.5, it would be a decent game.
However, they have added mini maps, corpse alters, buying back sold items to merchants, along with many other WoWifiying effects.
I can honestly tell you that every beta tester (well except 2) from Beta 2.5 who visited the boards regularly kept preaching to Sigil and Brad to not go the way of WoW, and everytime it went on deaf ears. Most were preaching (many 10 pages long) about how to make the game more difficult and challenging, because that increases immersion and staying power for the MMORPG. People can only whack monsters (with no challenge/risk) for so long before they become bored. People can find fun in corpse recovery (even if its frustrating), because it adds dimension to the gameplay and something else to do. Add in many other aspects of gameplay which have been removed because its "tedius". What is tedius to most players is whacking monster for months at a time (with nothing else to do) to get the mysterious level 50... Grinding is boring. Imagine 10 pages of suggestions and discussion about it... But what they ended up with is grinding forever until max level with nothing else to do. Atleast you can watch your skills get to max level in about 2 battles (literally you will get 3 skills up in defense running from a monster) every time you ding. Woot, thats fun!
At one point I believe Brad said "We are going WoW. If you don't like it, tuff luck, find another game." That was right around Beta 3 release. I guess Brad will soon find out how many people are going to switch to play his game... Vanguard will be done in a year or two at most.
Honestly, the game was best in Beta 2.5. Since then the game has since been WoWified... If they had the gameplay of Beta 2.5, it would be a decent game.
However, they have added mini maps, corpse alters, buying back sold items to merchants, along with many other WoWifiying effects.
I can honestly tell you that every beta tester (well except 2) from Beta 2.5 who visited the boards regularly kept preaching to Sigil and Brad to not go the way of WoW, and everytime it went on deaf ears. Most were preaching (many 10 pages long) about how to make the game more difficult and challenging, because that increases immersion and staying power for the MMORPG. People can only whack monsters (with no challenge/risk) for so long before they become bored. People can find fun in corpse recovery (even if its frustrating), because it adds dimension to the gameplay and something else to do. Add in many other aspects of gameplay which have been removed because its "tedius". What is tedius to most players is whacking monster for months at a time (with nothing else to do) to get the mysterious level 50... Grinding is boring. Imagine 10 pages of suggestions and discussion about it... But what they ended up with is grinding forever until max level with nothing else to do. Atleast you can watch your skills get to max level in about 2 battles (literally you will get 3 skills up in defense running from a monster) every time you ding. Woot, thats fun!
At one point I believe Brad said "We are going WoW. If you don't like it, tuff luck, find another game." That was right around Beta 3 release. I guess Brad will soon find out how many people are going to switch to play his game... Vanguard will be done in a year or two at most.
Tremulant
Diamond Member
- Jul 2, 2004
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I was playing a bit this weekend and alittle earlier tonight.
While the game runs better than I thought it would on my system, I do feel it should run better (in general). The graphics are comparable to EQ2, but they're not as immersive as WoW. I tweaked the vgclient.ini, and that raised my frame rates (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=109367&bhcp=1). BTW, my system is a A64 3000+, 2GB PC3200 RAM, eVGA 6800GT (atleast, those are the important parts). I get 30-40 fps running around in the open, 1-20 fps in towns/crowded areas.
As far as the interface is concerned, it's kind of a mix between WoW and EQ2. I don't really have a problem with this though.
For gameplay, I think it's fun. I've played ranger and rogue, and I liked them both, but I die a lot more on the rogue, which I blame myself for. The quests so far are very much like WoW and EQ2, but I didn't expect them to be any different than the standard kill X number of Y monsters, talk to this guy, collect X number of Y item quests.
While the game runs better than I thought it would on my system, I do feel it should run better (in general). The graphics are comparable to EQ2, but they're not as immersive as WoW. I tweaked the vgclient.ini, and that raised my frame rates (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm?thread=109367&bhcp=1). BTW, my system is a A64 3000+, 2GB PC3200 RAM, eVGA 6800GT (atleast, those are the important parts). I get 30-40 fps running around in the open, 1-20 fps in towns/crowded areas.
As far as the interface is concerned, it's kind of a mix between WoW and EQ2. I don't really have a problem with this though.
For gameplay, I think it's fun. I've played ranger and rogue, and I liked them both, but I die a lot more on the rogue, which I blame myself for. The quests so far are very much like WoW and EQ2, but I didn't expect them to be any different than the standard kill X number of Y monsters, talk to this guy, collect X number of Y item quests.
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