valve looks to take advantage

[waffleironhead]

That article is not really doing anything to strengthen your argument that this has nothing to do with entitlement.

 

[Ichinisan]

You know I must feel entitled if I feel that I deserve the right to actually own what I buy? Maybe you have no fucking clue what I am actually even talking about here?

What? Retail purchase or not, you can still play your game. Your mind is wandering too much if you forgot that part again.

 

[norseamd]

That article is not really doing anything to strengthen your argument that this has nothing to do with entitlement.

Not exactly. There are a wide variety of opinions in the comment for and against this move from Gabe.

 

[CZroe]

Right cause I have never said the same shit about EA, Bethseda, SPDR, Paradox Interactive, Games Workshop, Sega, Microsoft, Nintendo, the Financial Industry, Hollywood, the Neoliberal business community, the Muscovites, the Israelis, and anll the other shit.

But Texians!

And, once again, you completely ignore the real problems with no-purchase Steam accounts being used for vote fraud and account phishing. Good job. Why should someone with no purchases get a vote on the next Greenlight project? Are you allowed to tell other companies where to put their money when you aren't even a prospective customer of current or future products?

 

[norseamd]

What? Retail purchase or not, you can still play your game. Your mind is wandering too much if you forgot that part again.

Not exactly. Have you ever sold any of your old PC games or gone to Gamestop and sold old Nintendo, XBOX, or Playstation crap?

 

[norseamd]

And, once again, you completely ignore the real problems with no-purchase Steam accounts being used for vote fraud and account phishing. Good job. Why should someone with no purchases get a vote on the next Greenlight project?

How in any way would it make a difference?

Last time I read about Steam Greenlight there were massive problems and complaints in how Valve was conducting themselves.

Steam EA now has far more clout than Steam Greenlight as far as I am concerned.

 

[CZroe]

How in any way would it make a difference?

Last time I read about Steam Greenlight there were massive problems and complaints in how Valve was conducting themselves.

Steam EA now has far more clout than Steam Greenlight as far as I am concerned.

The complaints were largely about manipulation and this is the first step to correcting those complaints.

 

[norseamd]

The complaints were largely about manipulation and this is the first step to correcting those complaints.

Lots of the complaints were about how Valve was controlling the greenlight process themselves.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Not exactly. Have you ever sold any of your old PC games or gone to Gamestop and sold old Nintendo, XBOX, or Playstation crap?

No I haven't. I almost sold some PS2 stuff to game stop until I realized the complete screwing they were offering. $1.25(?) to $3.00 per game. I saw one used version of a game I was thinking about trading in selling for $35.
I ended up giving some to the poor kids that lived next to my gf's place.

 

[CZroe]

Lots of the complaints were about how Valve was controlling the greenlight process themselves.

Much of which was to account for fraudulent manipulation by outside parties. It sounds like we are talking in circles because you fail to see the cause and effect.

 

[Newbian]

What a load of shit.

There are tens of millions of users on Steam and most of them are not from America. Many of whom are not going to have any way to spend money on the internet especially those like Brazilians who have a very different economic and societal environment. This forum is basically overall usually American males with more than a few European males also.

Let me guess you actually think Steam has good customer service?

If the Steam store isn’t in USD, we will track the purchase amount in USD by converting each purchase total made on Steam using daily exchange rates,” the update reads.

I don't see the problem as in this day and age I would have to assume paypal has reached to places like brazil by now.

 

[norseamd]

Regardless the limiting of Greenlight votes is not the huge problem here.

The main problem as many who even liked what Valve did in the comments of the PC Gamer article and even some here is that how they went around doing this shit was not that good.

For one Retail games need to give you the full account.

Also they can let limited accounts send friend invites and talk in group chat.

And to limit any bad friend requests from those limited accounts they can let any account including limited accounts control who is able to send them any friend requests.

Also let limited accounts get their trading cards even if you do not let them on the marketplace.

 

[norseamd]

I don't see the problem as in this day and age I would have to assume paypal has reached to places like brazil by now.

They have a very different banking and economic model over there controlled by the government.

 

[Ichinisan]

Not exactly. Have you ever sold any of your old PC games or gone to Gamestop and sold old Nintendo, XBOX, or Playstation crap?

So now this is about second-hand game sales? Believe me, I'm with you there...but the news in the OP has nothing to do with that. Locked purchases are currently just an inherent issue with all digital distribution platforms.

 

[norseamd]

http://techinbrazil.com/overview-of-the-brazilian-game-production-industry

 

[norseamd]

So now this is about second-hand game sales? Believe me, I'm with you there...but the news in the OP has nothing to do with that. Locked purchases are currently just an inherent issue with all digital distribution platforms.

Yes, I know. But Valve has been very vocal about not respecting that and they are in many ways in huge conflict with EU law.

 

[norseamd]

Keep in mind I do not think Valve has gone full black but they are not white and are very much full grey.

 

[CZroe]

Regardless the limiting of Greenlight votes is not the huge problem here.

It's not a huge USER problem, but no one ever said Valve was only allowed to solve user problems with policy changes. Users are ignoring that aspect but it doesn't make it any smaller.

The main problem as many who even liked what Valve did in the comments of the PC Gamer article and even some here is that how they went around doing this shit was not that good.

For one Retail games need to give you the full account.

Also they can let limited accounts send friend invites and talk in group chat.

And to limit any bad friend requests from those limited accounts they can let any account including limited accounts control who is able to send them any friend requests.

And how does that fix anything? If I was smart enough to know why I might not want to accept friend requests and messages from 0-purchase accounts then I wouldn't need to turn off incoming requests to avoid phishing attempts.

Once again, you fail to see the real problem. They never were trying to fix YOUR (or any other user's) problem of getting friend requests you didn't care for. They're trying to fix THEIR problem of massive fraud trying to catch a small percentage of gullible users who would still be just as gullible even with an option to block messages and requests from 0-purchase accounts. STOP SUGGESTING A BLOCK OPTION. It's the stupidest non-solution demonstrating a complete lack or understanding and yet you keep falling back to it.

Also let limited accounts get their trading cards even if you do not let them on the marketplace.

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

 

[pontifex]

I think you're misinterpreting it. I think even having a retail purchased game registered will allow you to use Steam chat and other services. The idea is probably that you should have at least one paid item on your account to discourage spammers from using the messaging system with hundreds of throw-away accounts.

all the mmos are doing similar things too. you can't talk in like zone chat, you can't send mails, can't whisper or send a tell to a specific person, etc.

although it's weird because I tried the demo of FFXIV the other week and while I couldn't send a whisper or talk in the zone chats, i was bombarded by whispers from gold sellers and saw quite a few messages from gold sellers in zone chat.

 

[videogames101]

Really?

So if Steam didn't do this, you would tell all your friends about this great service? You'd tell them to buy all their games there, and they would listen because you are the expert with one game on it?

You must be quite powerful and I hope you use your powers for good and not evil.

Steam is a great service. If it's ever sold to an EA (god help us), that might be another story, but Steam protecting itself by making marketers spend $5 before advertising in forums, or making EA spend $5 an account to post positive reviews of something they produced...that is a smart step imo for Valve.

How many DLC's did you end buying for Half Life 2? How many alternate weapon skins. Did you pay $60 for Counter Strike or Gary's Mod? I'd look long and hard at Valve before making them out to be an EA; you do the gaming community a disservice.

You're thinking of Valve from 10 years ago. Today, all Valve does is money grab using community created skins.

 

[dougp]

You know I must feel entitled if I feel that I deserve the right to actually own what I buy? Maybe you have no fucking clue what I am actually even talking about here?

You *never* own the software you buy, only the right to use it.

 

[norseamd]

I have no idea what you are talking about here.

They are preventing limited accounts from getting any trading card drops at all.

 

[norseamd]

You *never* own the software you buy, only the right to use it.

Nope.

That is dependent on what you buy and who you buys your shit from.

And that is a huge overall problem.

 

[CZroe]

They are preventing limited accounts from getting any trading card drops at all.

WTF are "trading card drops?" This sounds game-specific and unrelated to any game I know/play.

 

[norseamd]

WTF are "trading card drops?" This sounds game-specific and unrelated to any game I know/play.

The cards you used to make any Steam Badge and lots of games have that shit.