valve looks to take advantage

[TheVrolok]

This thread continues to deliver.

 

[norseamd]

We all know a business capitalizes to make money. *Some* people associate no negative connotation whatsoever to capitalism. Do you think Libertarians are evil?

No.

Do you realize that capitalism was originally a derogatory name that was used by opponents of businessmen?

Do you know the difference between classical liberalism and neoliberalism?

Names have meanings that are not only potentially different to everyone but are also changing over time so keep that in mind.

 

[norseamd]

Holy shit, you're joking right? You're the one making this a good versus evil thing while most other people are seeing it as neither. Most people have been using logical reasoning and no one has been acting like Valve isn't a business so I don't even know what you're blathering about with your "you people don't get it, they're MOAR capitalist!!!" when a lot of people have tried explaining exactly that to you and why that makes half your arguments senseless.

No I am not. Did you even read the OP? When did I ever say Valve was this evil company who did nothing good for the gamer community?

Valve is now restricting use for every account that has not spent any money yet. Thing is even purchasing a physical game and activating it on Steam is not going to life the restrictions regardless of how many games you buy. And the cause for that is quite basic as you are not spending any money at Valve even if they might still make money off the developers and publishers for using Steam on any games they sell in the physical box at any businesses.

And I have noted earlier the total disregard for consumer right and EU law, their messing around with Steam sales to prevent consumers from understanding wise purchasing, and more.

The fact is Valve is not some Messiah overlord. We went through this already with Google and you would think some would actually have the tact to understand that the 2nd time around.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/valve-limits-new-steam-accounts/

The general attitude in this discussion is that Valve can do no wrong and that is how this discussion degenerated into a shitfest full of vitriol and diatribe.

Why is the attitude here so much different than the one over in the PC Games subforum?

The worst part is, you often have legitimate concerns but you just suck at actually voicing them in a coherent rational manner, so you effectively just make them look like nonsense.

Besides your vitriol which seems to have less meaning than whatever emotions or intentions yes I do not exactly have that amazing of English paper writing skill but it would not take a theoretical physicist to understand I did not say Valve was evil or to understand what I was actually talking about in my comments.

 

[Ichinisan]

Sure sounds like OP has implied many times that Valve is nefarious / evil / greedy. Now he says he did not. :hmm: *looks at thread title* :hmm:

 

[norseamd]

See?

You are the one exaggerating words to bring this into some good vs. evil discussion.

You clearly are not able or are not willing to understand english and what words actually mean.

 

[SheHateMe]

Good. I am tired of getting all those damn friend requests from new accounts trying to scam people.

 

[norseamd]

nefarious / evil / greedy

Those words do not mean the same fucking thing and have quite different definitions even if they have some interconnectness and interdependence.

 

[waffleironhead]

Those words do not mean the same fucking thing and have quite different definitions even if they have some interconnectness and interdependence.

This is just a wild guess here.
He's just applying different words to one sentence to try to contain all of your different blathering in one response.

Let me spread it out for you.

Sure sounds like OP has implied many times that Valve is nefarious.
Sure sounds like OP has implied many times that Valve is evil.
Sure sounds like OP has implied many times that Valve is greedy.

FYI, the "shitfest" began from trying to pin you down on what exactly you were trying to get across with this thread.
Brief recap:
OP:..........
Everyone not you: Ask questions, and states opinions.
You:respond with some tangent
Us: What?
You: Another tangent.
Us: What?
You: OMG guys you just dont get it!
Us: Huh?
You: I get it you guys just love valve and dont think they can do any wrong.
Us: Double huh?

 

[norseamd]

No what I have said is that Valve has greed and they are shady in how they conduct themselves.

Let me take a quote from the PC Games subforum discussion. Basically I am fine with good DLC and even $80 games but I have more problem when companies act like sleazebags and they are not forthright with their intentions. Now if Valve thought that their services need to be supported financially they have that right and depending on how they did that I may or may not have objections but they have that right more or less. But obscuring those motivations with statements about good intentions of solving spammers is one of the beefs I have with Valve on this bullshit.

I think DLC is a decent way to extract the money needed to develop these large games at the increasing development expenses. I tend to not reward what I find to be sleazy business models such as pay-for consumables, locked day-one content, and such. Real content is fine with me though, like Bioshock's expansions or Destiny's add ons.

 

[Homerboy]

Delivering still being delivered..

 

[norseamd]

Delivering still being delivered..

Agree since the lack of response is still delivering.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoiV7c46C1A

 

[cronos]

Why is the attitude here so much different than the one over in the PC Games subforum?

That's really easy to answer. The topic that's discussed over there is something of legitimate concern to users. It will change the modding scene forever and not in a good direction. The Steam change that caused you to create this thread, however, is actually a good move for active users of Steam.

I guess this clearly shows that people *aren't* just blindly defending Valve no matter what they did, but will question their decisions if it goes against the interest of the users. Which is what you've been accusing people throughout this thread. So I guess you're wrong.

 

[norseamd]

That's really easy to answer. The topic that's discussed over there is something of legitimate concern to users. It will change the modding scene forever and not in a good direction. The Steam change that caused you to create this thread, however, is actually a good move for active users of Steam.

I guess this clearly shows that people *aren't* just blindly defending Valve no matter what they did, but will question their decisions if it goes against the interest of the users. Which is what you've been accusing people throughout this thread. So I guess you're wrong.

That is a very gross simplification of everything.

 

[CZroe]

That is a very gross simplification of everything.

This describes your OP here more than anything.

 

[norseamd]

That's really easy to answer. The topic that's discussed over there is something of legitimate concern to users. It will change the modding scene forever and not in a good direction. The Steam change that caused you to create this thread, however, is actually a good move for active users of Steam.

I guess this clearly shows that people *aren't* just blindly defending Valve no matter what they did, but will question their decisions if it goes against the interest of the users. Which is what you've been accusing people throughout this thread. So I guess you're wrong.

And no this is not right at all and you are speaking nothing but pure bullshit here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37342606&postcount=148

 

[norseamd]

This describes your OP here more than anything.

Then what is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYE5cxQrIp8

 

[CZroe]

Then what is this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYE5cxQrIp8

A stupid unrelated Youtube video.

Look, I want Half-Life 3 as much as anyone, but your OP grossly over-simplifies what Valve is doing by pretending that they are just trying to make people spend money for no other reason than to make money. Linking to this video does not negate that point.

 

[norseamd]

A stupid unrelated Youtube video.

Look, I want Half-Life 3 as much as anyone, but your OP grossly over-simplifies what Valve is doing by pretending that they are just trying to make people spend money for no other reason than to make money. Linking to this video does not negate that point.

Who ever said that the existence of greed at Valve meant they never did anything else for any other reasons?

 

[SparkyJJO]

This thread is still going? It has got to be one of the longer running backfire threads. OP just won't give up lol.

 

[norseamd]

This thread is still going? It has got to be one of the longer running backfire threads. OP just won't give up lol.

No I gave up on this discussion turning out well long ago. Most of you seem to act like you have powerful opinions on the topic yet most of you are not even discussing anything in the PC Games subforum. Which might hint to me that many of you do not play games that much or you do not care that much about video games yet are willing to treat Valve and Gabe as the messiahs of video games for all eternity. If you went in there you would see I put that Valve honesty video in the other discussion but did not link it here until someone else revived this discussion.

 

[CZroe]

Then what is this?

A stupid unrelated Youtube video.
...your OP grossly over-simplifies what Valve is doing by pretending that they are just trying to make people spend money for no other reason than to make money...

Who ever said that the existence of greed at Valve meant they never did anything else for any other reasons?

YOU are the one who can't seem to wrap your head around this change being made to fight fraud and spam. It wasn't a profit-driven move. FOLLOW?

 

[cronos]

That is a very gross simplification of everything.

It is the absolute fact of why this thread was made, and why that other thread was made. Even you can't deny that. Go ahead and try.

 

[cronos]

And no this is not right at all and you are speaking nothing but pure bullshit here.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=37342606&postcount=148

What bullshit? Of course eventually the topics are going to merge, and one discussion will bleed into the other, especially because these changes are made only a few days apart.

My point is, there are many many legitimate reasons to 'hate on' Valve. This one in particular, the reason you created this thread, is not one of them. And that's why you're getting so much resistance.

 

[Homerboy]

 

[JimKiler]

A stupid unrelated Youtube video.

Look, I want Half-Life 3 as much as anyone, but your OP grossly over-simplifies what Valve is doing by pretending that they are just trying to make people spend money for no other reason than to make money. Linking to this video does not negate that point.

Really? The last HL episode was long in the tooth and banal compared to other FPS games that came out in the same period.