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US to let Turkish forces move into Syria, abandoning Kurdish allies

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pcgeek11 said:
How many actual troops were removed from Norther Syria.

From what I have heard and read it was only 50.
What was 50 US troops going to do against thousands of Turkish troops and supporting equipment?

If the phone call with Turkey was a warning to the US that they were coming period which I also heard/read somewhere. I would rather that he did pull them out rather than leave them to the Turkish troops.

I would have rather not have our people in Syria to begin with.
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I’ve heard 50 and I’ve heard around 1000
Not sure but maybe it breaks down like this
50 dudes who actually do stuff
200 contractor dudes who secure the previous 50s base
Couple hundred others to support them
Again pure guess.
 
pcgeek11 said:
How many actual troops were removed from Norther Syria.

From what I have heard and read it was only 50.
What was 50 US troops going to do against thousands of Turkish troops and supporting equipment?

If the phone call with Turkey was a warning to the US that they were coming period which I also heard/read somewhere. I would rather that he did pull them out rather than leave them to the Turkish troops.

I would have rather not have our people in Syria to begin with.
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Would you also rather leave ally and friend behind to get slaughtered? Wait that is not what happened.. Would you sell out your friend and ally to their enemy,tuck tail and run, to let them get slaughtered? Only now to realize that they have capitulated to Russia you arch nemesis. Now you are in bad standing with Turkey, Syria, the Kurds AND Russia.
Good job?
 
pcgeek11 said:
How many actual troops were removed from Norther Syria.

From what I have heard and read it was only 50.
What was 50 US troops going to do against thousands of Turkish troops and supporting equipment?

If the phone call with Turkey was a warning to the US that they were coming period which I also heard/read somewhere. I would rather that he did pull them out rather than leave them to the Turkish troops.

I would have rather not have our people in Syria to begin with.
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That's not accurate. The US had about 1000 special forces troops in northern Syria in support of Kurdish militias. That was mostly in the form of small units mixed in with larger Kurdish forces, a fairly intimate relationship. It seems highly unlikely that the Turks would attack under those circumstances. The situation held for years. When Trump announced our withdrawal, it opened the door for that attack. It hasn't been much of an attack, considering the Turks' military strength, but it was enough for the Kurds to strike a deal with the Damascus govt who moved in rapidly to fill the power vacuum we left behind. How the Kurds will fare down the road is uncertain.
 
PlanetJosh said:
How far are Democrats willing to go in bipartisan agreement with Republicans who are against the U.S. troop withdrawal? Would the Dems go for big increases in military spending if it hurt social programs in order to fight against ISIS?

Eh you'll probably tell me it's too big of a stretch and doesn't even fit in the thread or something like that. Go ahead just get it over with.

And what if ISIS has a significant increase in the Philippines for example? Have several divisions of U.S. troops shipped there? My point being this could continue on and on and with non ISIS Arab terrorist groups. And the Dems are going to support sending large numbers of troops for every single one? Come on you know some of them will be selective just like Repubs are selective as to which wars they support. And don't try saying saying sending a limited number of troops will work. Look what happened in Iraq in 2003 and years after because of that.

In a sense i'm saying as a few have already said in the first few pages that it's all messed up. Just offering some reasons as to why not that they're anything new.
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We can't keep allowing Trump to hold the US hostage to all of his chaotic whimsies. We just can't. Thinking that Dems should, yet again, go "bipartisan" with republicans for this 248th time that Trump has created a disaster, because fixing it is suddenly paramount to everything, is no solution to the actual problem.

Trump is the problem.

First: Trump in prison. (Mitch, et. al as well, if we are talking about real solutions)
Next: Fix country
 
hal2kilo said:
Pence is giving a presser. Claims there has been a cease fire agreement. More to come...
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Apparently it will START in 5 days. LOL.

Erdogan will have wiped them out by then. Also where the fuck are they going to evacuate too?

Edit: looks like it will last 5 days instead but the second question remains and the odds that Erdogan will really stop seem slim
 
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Jesus and withdrawing sanctions. Did they phone anybody in congress about this who are working on a bill to cripple Turkey's economy?
 
Trump claims victory at presser. He planned this all to happen. Thanks stable genius. How could we survive without you starting fires and putting them out.
 
All this "diplomatic damage control" by Pence and Pompeo in order to slap bandaids on this hemorrhaging disaster caused by Trump's knee jerk personally derived, totally unadvised decision to give fellow tyrant Erdogan everything he wanted.

There's no way to give Trump cover and un-fuck what he did simply by having his underlings go over to Erdogan and beg for mercy, of which in and of itself is an admission of how pathetic things have become all because Trump thinks he is the smartest guy in any room he walks into and therefore should rely on his own personal "instincts" rather than in this instance, the advice of those experienced career staff from the diplomatic corps.

edit - Trump's inabililty to rely on and lay his trust in people that populate the inner workings of the gov't he lords over is a fatal personality flaw of his. He thinks EVERYBODY is out to get him because his caustic corrosive personality and bad business practices of which he brought along to his presidency is the very cause of his paranoia.
 
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Pence claimed Kurds were abusing Christians. Richard Engel reporter on the grounds says this is not true. This guy has practically lived in that area for years and knows what he is talking about.

Trump administration has used this false information tactic in the past to an end.
 
K1052 said:
Apparently it will START in 5 days. LOL.

Erdogan will have wiped them out by then. Also where the fuck are they going to evacuate too?

Edit: looks like it will last 5 days instead but the second question remains and the odds that Erdogan will really stop seem slim
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Nah. It's pretty much been a sham invasion, considering Turkey's military might. They're second only to the US within Nato. They could easily blitzkreig the Kurds into oblivion. Instead, Erdogan put lightly armed anti-Assad Syrian exiles up front with some air & artillery support. It's like they're not even trying.

Meanwhile, Assad's forces have rushed into the gap left behind by our withdrawal. It's called winning.
 
Jhhnn said:
Nah. It's pretty much been a sham invasion, considering Turkey's military might. They're second only to the US within Nato. They could easily blitzkreig the Kurds into oblivion. Instead, Erdogan put lightly armed anti-Assad Syrian exiles up front with some air & artillery support. It's like they're not even trying.

Meanwhile, Assad's forces have rushed into the gap left behind by our withdrawal. It's called winning.
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That's a lot of dead Kurds to execute his sham.
 
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