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US to let Turkish forces move into Syria, abandoning Kurdish allies

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And we now have some Congressional Repubs complaining about what Trump has done to the Kurds, to our own military's morale and to our military commander's strategic planning in the area.

The problem here is these Repubs up on the Hill are complaining not so much to make Trump change his mind, they're complaining to provide cover for Trump and themselves. If that weren't the case these Repubs would be insisting Trump reverse that idiotic move he made but they're not.
 
Appears Fox News is on the fence.
Trailer for this story was trump battles neocons

www.foxnews.com

Turkey’s Syria assault triggers war within GOP, as Trump battles neocon wing

Turkey’s incursion into northern Syria following President Trump’s unexpected pullback of troops from the border region has reignited a fight within the Republican Party over America's role in the Middle East -- and seen the president face withering criticism from some of his otherwise...
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com

Hopefully Fox & Friends will come to the rescue tomorrow morning.
 
Fanatical Meat said:
Something on cnn with Pat Robinson saying he will lose gods mandate over this.

I’m having trouble understanding what the benefit to the President or US is by abandoning the Kurds?

They’ve been good allies for 30(?) years. Why dump them?
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You are implying Trump has a strategy.
 
tweaker2 said:
And we now have some Congressional Repubs complaining about what Trump has done to the Kurds, to our own military's morale and to our military commander's strategic planning in the area.
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Could you imagine being one of the people who had to take the calls for air support while they were getting bombed? I don't know how anyone could go on believing in what they're doing after something like that.
 
dainthomas said:
Could you imagine being one of the people who had to take the calls for air support while they were getting bombed? I don't know how anyone could go on believing in what they're doing after something like that.
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You make a good point about that. Our military members are at the most intimate point of contact with the Kurd fighters because they've been fighting along side with them for quite awhile against ISIS. There is that special bond among warriors that get created when they fight side by side laying their lives on the line and depending on each other to keep each other alive.

To abandon the Kurds where such relationships have been forged in the field of battle is so much more hurtful, so much more devastating than a lot of other folks would be able to understand.

Trump will never ever experience this bond, not even it's most remote, most limited happenstance. He doesn't know what it's like to be loyal to others. He only knows that he needs others to be loyal to him. Reciprocity, especially when the very lives of the participants are at stake, is something that is obviously non-existent in Trump's character.

It's in some part why I think it was so easy for Trump to abandon the Kurds in favor of his own personal interests.
 
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This is some Walder Frey level treachery. Trump is a cowardly backstabbing motherfucker and needs to be pulled from office. This will fuck us all.
 
Puffnstuff said:
In Trump's world there is no conflict of interests as his personal business outweighs the nation's hence he let Turkey have its way with Syria. He lied when he said he would divest himself before taking office so there wouldn't be any conflict of interest.

Congress needs to change the election criteria so that no person with business ties to foreign governments can run for office.
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I don't entirely agree. I think that Trump earnestly believes that he is the best thing for America, period. It follows that his interests are the best for him, and then thst his interests are the best for America.
 
This is America now under Trump.
We're the cowering backstabbing scumbags who everyone else will be rooting for a proper fucking of before this is all over.

Fing Republicans... You started all this shit by invading Iraq because you were pissing your pants after 9/11.
Now you're pissing your pants because your stupid, ill-considered war turned out to be as difficult as all the smart people told you, so you voted for some fake tv strongman to make it go away, and now you surrender and flee, fuck our allies and last shreds of dignity and credibility we had. FU all.
 
Bitek said:
This is America now under Trump.
We're the cowering backstabbing scumbags who everyone else will be rooting for a proper fucking of before this is all over.

Fing Republicans... You started all this shit by invading Iraq because you were pissing your pants after 9/11.
Now you're pissing your pants because your stupid, ill-considered war turned out to be as difficult as all the smart people told you, so you voted for some fake tv strongman to make it go away, and now you surrender and flee, fuck our allies and last shreds of dignity and credibility we had. FU all.
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Fuck yes
 
OK.... I'm confused.
I need an intervention.
Trump was having his live news conference this afternoon, carried live on Fox News, naturally.
October 9th, 2019.
And the only reporters that were asking the questions were, from Fox News. Surprise surprise.

Here is my dilemma.
Trump gave a very heart felt speech at the end of why he did not like and does not like seeing American lives scarified and lost over in those middle eastern countries.
AND I AGREED WITH HIM.
This is one issue where I totally agrees with Donald Trump, and.... realized with this issue Trump is his own man.
Unlike LBJ and Reagan, and Nixon, and certainly both Bush's, and sadly to say Barack Obama, Donald Trump is no Warhawk.
Not even close.
Obama started off on the right side and opposed unnecessary war and refused to fall into the Warhawk role, but them Obama changed. The elite of the military leadership got to Obama, and then Obama changed. And not for the better. Obama was weak, and gullible.

But with hearing Trump describe his feeling on sending out those letters to the families of those deceased brave soldiers fallen in battle, I could tell that came from his heart.
Donald Trump doesn't understand much, but he does understand sacrifice, and understands the sacrifice of our military men and women and their families.
And Donald Trump believes that sacrifice is nothing to toss around or demand unless absolutely necessary.
And he means totally absolutely necessary.
So, I gotta tell ya as much as I hate Donald Trump, I do respect him for that.

Not a Warhawk. Not Donald Trump.
Maybe, just maybe there is something inside Donald Trump that I have been missing?
Something that I can finally agree with and actually respect him for.
Could that maybe get me to vote for the guy in 2020?
THAT is my dilemma.
I would love to see more fo that in Donald Trump, where he tells it like it is, makes sense, and connects to the people.
That ending snippet from todays news conference was masterful. He really gets is. At least when talking about sacrifice and the opposition to unnecessary sacrifice.
And those letters to the families. An incredible story.
 
sportage said:
OK.... I'm confused.
I need an intervention.
Trump was having his live news conference this afternoon, carried live on Fox News, naturally.
October 9th, 2019.
And the only reporters that were asking the questions were, from Fox News. Surprise surprise.

Here is my dilemma.
Trump gave a very heart felt speech at the end of why he did not like and does not like seeing American lives scarified and lost over in those middle eastern countries.
AND I AGREED WITH HIM.
This is one issue where I totally agrees with Donald Trump, and.... realized with this issue Trump is his own man.
Unlike LBJ and Reagan, and Nixon, and certainly both Bush's, and sadly to say Barack Obama, Donald Trump is no Warhawk.
Not even close.
Obama started off on the right side and opposed unnecessary war and refused to fall into the Warhawk role, but them Obama changed. The elite of the military leadership got to Obama, and then Obama changed. And not for the better. Obama was weak, and gullible.

But with hearing Trump describe his feeling on sending out those letters to the families of those deceased brave soldiers fallen in battle, I could tell that came from his heart.
Donald Trump doesn't understand much, but he does understand sacrifice, and understands the sacrifice of our military men and women and their families.
And Donald Trump believes that sacrifice is nothing to toss around or demand unless absolutely necessary.
And he means totally absolutely necessary.
So, I gotta tell ya as much as I hate Donald Trump, I do respect him for that.

Not a Warhawk. Not Donald Trump.
Maybe, just maybe there is something inside Donald Trump that I have been missing?
Something that I can finally agree with and actually respect him for.
Could that maybe get me to vote for the guy in 2020?
THAT is my dilemma.
I would love to see more fo that in Donald Trump, where he tells it like it is, makes sense, and connects to the people.
That ending snippet from todays news conference was masterful. He really gets is. At least when talking about sacrifice and the opposition to unnecessary sacrifice.
And those letters to the families. An incredible story.
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Your post is just sadistic. Basically you think it’s fine for the US to use the Kurds and have them sacrafice way more soldiers in the conflict than the US and then say it’s okay to abandon them and let them get slaughtered by the kurds they sacrificed for us.

what he is doing is alienating us from our allies. When we need our allies in the future they aren’t going to be there and when we really need them we are going to suffer massive casualties.

The US at this point cannot be trusted.
 
sportage said:
OK.... I'm confused.
I need an intervention.
Trump was having his live news conference this afternoon, carried live on Fox News, naturally.
October 9th, 2019.
And the only reporters that were asking the questions were, from Fox News. Surprise surprise.

Here is my dilemma.
Trump gave a very heart felt speech at the end of why he did not like and does not like seeing American lives scarified and lost over in those middle eastern countries.
AND I AGREED WITH HIM.
This is one issue where I totally agrees with Donald Trump, and.... realized with this issue Trump is his own man.
Unlike LBJ and Reagan, and Nixon, and certainly both Bush's, and sadly to say Barack Obama, Donald Trump is no Warhawk.
Not even close.
Obama started off on the right side and opposed unnecessary war and refused to fall into the Warhawk role, but them Obama changed. The elite of the military leadership got to Obama, and then Obama changed. And not for the better. Obama was weak, and gullible.

But with hearing Trump describe his feeling on sending out those letters to the families of those deceased brave soldiers fallen in battle, I could tell that came from his heart.
Donald Trump doesn't understand much, but he does understand sacrifice, and understands the sacrifice of our military men and women and their families.
And Donald Trump believes that sacrifice is nothing to toss around or demand unless absolutely necessary.
And he means totally absolutely necessary.
So, I gotta tell ya as much as I hate Donald Trump, I do respect him for that.

Not a Warhawk. Not Donald Trump.
Maybe, just maybe there is something inside Donald Trump that I have been missing?
Something that I can finally agree with and actually respect him for.
Could that maybe get me to vote for the guy in 2020?
THAT is my dilemma.
I would love to see more fo that in Donald Trump, where he tells it like it is, makes sense, and connects to the people.
That ending snippet from todays news conference was masterful. He really gets is. At least when talking about sacrifice and the opposition to unnecessary sacrifice.
And those letters to the families. An incredible story.
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Trump wrote the death warrants for thousands of our allies with this move. He didn't have to do that to save American lives. His reasons had nothing to do with American lives; Trump was worried that Erdogan was going to take the Trump name off a building in Istanbul. Thousands of Kurds were just sacrificed for Trump's private business and Trump's vanity.
 
To hell with Trump.
And to hell with EVERY SINGLE Congressman / Senator who does not work, and take action, to depose him at this point.

Impeach or Bust.
 
IronWing said:
Trump wrote the death warrants for thousands of our allies with this move. He didn't have to do that to save American lives. His reasons had nothing to do with American lives; Trump was worried that Erdogan was going to take the Trump name off a building in Istanbul. Thousands of Kurds were just sacrificed for Trump's private business and Trump's vanity.
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@SlowSpyder will be pleased. He consistently hails everything Trump says and does

More goodies for Putin giving him entree into the Middle East.
 
IronWing said:
Trump wrote the death warrants for thousands of our allies with this move. He didn't have to do that to save American lives. His reasons had nothing to do with American lives; Trump was worried that Erdogan was going to take the Trump name off a building in Istanbul. Thousands of Kurds were just sacrificed for Trump's private business and Trump's vanity.
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This is an unmitigated disaster. From a fox news reporter:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1182053872824651783
 
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