US ban on TikTok

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm against the US government "banning" any web sites or traffic. That's third-world dictator style governing, and we should be better than that. The internet should remain free and open to every extent possible.

I assume you are good with banning pedo sites
How about a site so ridden with fraud and theft it cannot be trusted. Should we let the free market figure this stuff out?
Before you answer read about how much access TikTok requires. I’ll simplify your reading, TikTok requires an unusual amount of access.

 

[ElFenix]

Do people make money at TikTok? If so... how?

seems like the answer is yes. probably the same way almost ever other bit of US media does: shilling products

Hype House and the Los Angeles TikTok Mansion Gold Rush (Published 2020)

The city is home to a land rush of “collab houses,” where the content creators are getting younger and younger.

www.nytimes.com

 

[darkswordsman17]

Sorry I don’t understand the second part.

The same people talking about banning that app, have been pushing for laws mandating that companies put in backdoors so that "law enforcement" can access peoples' data. And many of them have been enabling private companies to access your data already.

I don't know if you're really just completely ignorant or what, but all the shit you're worried about China over this for? America has been doing to you already. At a FAR greater level. And China already has access to plenty of that because of the shitass cybersecurity that a lot of American companies and the government uses, while they're actively trying to further erode that security.

I don't quite follow you. Are you advocating that any app that requests deep access to your phone should be banned? That sounds weird/excessive.


Well.

Chinese apps are kind of inherently a problem for western democracies because there's really no separation between a Chinese corporation and the Chinese state. And a social media app that records video and sound captures large amounts of extraneous data by its very function. You can figure out without too much difficulty who uses the app, where, when, what they look like, what their voice sounds like, their interests and habits, information on their movements, educated guesses on income/wealth, similar information on friends and family who appear in their videos, and more.

That's a lot of info you might not want a totalitarian killer regime to have access to, if you live in the "free" world at least. TikTok or whomever could say they store westerners' data outside China, but this is the internet. This data can be accessed from anywhere, where it is stored isn't nearly that important really.


Well, that is a legit concern, yes.


If it was anyone but Dumpy, I would say you'd be off your rockers. But he's such a petty, thin-skinned, vindictive bastard I totally would not be surprised if you're right.

Then why does it matter if this one does? Why is it magically worse? Because they claim China is doing nefarious shit with it? And that's worse than what these assholes are doing with it? Why? Because its American? Its like you think America hasn't been doing just as much killing as China. All the shit we've been demonizing China (and plenty of others) for, we've been doing, often times more/worse than anyone else. We have absolutely no moral high ground to claim with regards to this issue. And our own government is actively trying to force companies to do things that will make it easier for China to access your data (because it also makes it easier for entities - some of which have essentially no actual oversight - part of the American government to do so as well; oh and they're actually trying to make those companies do that stuff for them too). If they really cared about protecting your data they would be pushing mandates that apps have to use strong encryption and encrypt all your personal data. Except they're doing the complete and total opposite, because they want easy access to your data themselves.

Sorry but if you don't think the American versions are "inherently a problem" then I don't know what to say. You know that's literally how Turmp won the election, right? And how Brexit happened, and how Bibi won re-election. They had assholes make a company, claiming to be an academic research team, get access to social media data, and then pushed out targeted ads while using the info from the data to direct their messaging elsewhere. It was straight up illegal to do what they did. And all that happened was the company went bankrupt (wherein they just created another similar company). And there's a good amount of evidence they've done worse. Police have been using clandestine companies to access peoples' private info. The NSA found a litany of their people abusing their systems for personal reasons (they had agents using it to stalk and manipulate people in order to try and have sex with them and I forget what all else). Uber was caught running a spying program on law enforcement, competitors (they had one program that made fake accounts where they'd book Lyft rides, then cancel them at the last minute), and I think it was also used by people within the company for personal reasons (i.e. shit like stalking). Remember, uh, I don't even remember the name now. It was the movie theater subscription service? The company went to hell after the guy admitted they were essentially a spying program after they got found harvesting data even when the app wasn't running. GPS tracking type of shit. ISPs right now are suing so that they can sell your private data (without your consent - well I mean sure you consented because you signed up for their service, nevermind you likely had limited choices or anything...), claiming that being barred from doing so violates their 1st Amendment rights (fuck yours).

But hey, I guess that's all ok, cause its not China?

 

[nickqt]

It is very important that we have laws governing which social media apps we give explicit permission to spy on every aspect of our lives.

-Legislators born in the 1950s.

Or: if something is free, YOU'RE the product.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Tiktok security risk

Forbes: Anonymous Hackers Target TikTok: ‘Delete This Chinese Spyware Now’. https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2020/07/01/anonymous-targets-tiktok-delete-this-chinese-spyware-now/ Looks like tiktok was caught accessing sensitive areas of devices.

forums.anandtech.com

Anonymous claims tiktok is Chinese government malware. Have they been wrong before?

 

[Bitek]

Also China is just pissing off everyone lately.

I'm guessing from their latest moves to fuck over Hong Kong, looks like UK is responding by retracting their Huawei 5G work

UK to phase out Huawei gear from 5G networks in a major policy U-turn after U.S. sanctions, reports say

In January, the U.K. said Huawei could play a limited role in its 5G networks. But the latest round of U.S. sanctions against the firm may have raised new security fears.

www.cnbc.com

This is the consequence of weak and unfocused American leadership coming out of Trump admin.

We're ravaged by a virus we can't control, historic unemployment and debt, and an admin cowering before dictators too concerned about reelection and photo ops rather than fixing problems.

We haven't been this weak and uninfluential as a nation in generations.

If we don't turn it around quickly we will lose the 21st century

 

[ch33zw1z]

This is the consequence of weak and unfocused American leadership coming out of Trump admin.

We're ravaged by a virus we can't control, historic unemployment and debt, and an admin cowering before dictators too concerned about reelection and photo ops rather than fixing problems.

We haven't been this weak and uninfluential as a nation in generations.

If we don't turn it around quickly we will lose the 21st century

Thanks Obama

 

[johnayden702]

I'm also against the US government "banning" any web sites or traffic.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm also against the US government "banning" any web sites or traffic.

Im interested, what brought you to this thread?

Should pedo sites be banned?

 

[Fenixgoon]

New account, first post in P&N, bumps a 3 month old thread. Hmmmmm 🤔🤔

 

[mikeymikec]

One thing that boggles my mind is that the popular replacement for Tiktok is an app called 'Xiaohongshu'... the translation is 'little red book', ie. Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung, that little red book that obedient Chinese people should hold close to their heart.

Rather like Israel talking about 'lebensraum' or the GQP talking about the lying press (aka. Lügenpresse), it's all so on-the-nose I can barely believe that people in general can stomach that shit.

 

[manly]

It's just a name. What's the connection between user-created short videos and Mao's propaganda??? Like mentioned in the other thread, TikTok users are even joking about being CCP tools as the app is about to get banned. SCOTUS has just ruled that the privacy threat from ByteDance having all your info is real*, thus the ban is legal. The real irony is that TikTok and RedNote are very much modern capitalism at work; if anything, Chairman Mao is rolling over in his grave.

The sheer hypocrisy of Israel's government is something else entirely.

* CFIUS had previously forced the sale of Grindr from its Chinese owners on the same grounds.

 

[mikeymikec]

It's just a name. What's the connection between user-created short videos and Mao's propaganda???

China is the country where each citizen has a social credit score to determine "truth-worthiness". Any native social networking app would be required to communicate with that system, and the choice of name is a massive suck-up to the state because that's what you do when the state controls your life.

Name choices in fascist set-ups can often be quite revealing, "Truth Social" for example.

 

[amenx]

Doesnt look like the tik tok refugees to Rednote will have a lasting vibrant view of China for long.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1879903679333212614

 

[Linux23]

Tiktok is officially dark.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Tiktok is officially dark.

And it’s darkness is exposing more people I know who have turned out to be deplorable.

 

[Uhtrinity]

Tiktok is officially dark.

Went dark last night, and already restored after Trump promised them an excutive order giving an extension. Tik Tik referred to Trump by name in their service offline landing page. My bet is that Trump will now pressure congress / senate to repeal the ban.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tiktok-says-restoring-service-us-users-rcna188320

 

[hal2kilo]

Where's that jacket Melenia had.

 

[akugami]

Went dark last night, and already restored after Trump promised them an excutive order giving an extension. Tik Tik referred to Trump by name in their service offline landing page. My bet is that Trump will now pressure congress / senate to repeal the ban.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/tiktok-says-restoring-service-us-users-rcna188320

Republicans win. As much as Republicans are authoritarians, and want to control even your bedroom. Republicans, and Trump, are now going to be seen by young folks as an advocate for free speech. And remember, this whole thing started with Trump threatening to ban TikTok.

We need sensible privacy legislation. Privacy laws that ban what the likes of Facebook, Twitter, and even companies like car manufacturer GM, can do with our data. For those that don't know, GM sold user data including geolocation data to insurance companies. When a living human being is the product, that's just damned wrong.

 

[Wreckem]

Trump was against TikTok until he realized he and his people could use it to further manipulate his base now he loves it. It was him and the GOP that wanted to ban it at first then it was a bipartisan effort. It’s something they probably won’t get reverse by Congress but I can see Trump pulling strings to get it purchased by some of his cronies.

TikTok and bytedance and well everyone knows that you got to stroke Trumps ego to get want. Trump is a simple creature that will do anything if you flatter him or stroke his ego.

 

[nickqt]

Trump was against TikTok until he realized he and his people could use it to further manipulate his base now how loves it. It was him and the GOP they wanted to ban it at first then it was a bipartisan effort. It’s something they probably won’t get reverse by Congress but I can see Trump pulling strings to get it purchased by some of his cronies.

Trump supports wealth and power that he can use for his own wealth and power.

If TikTok is volunteering to give some of its wealth and power to Trump, Trump will protect them until that wealth and power is transferred. Then they're on their own, just like the rest of Trump's vassals.

 

[Greenman]

Trump was against TikTok until he realized he and his people could use it to further manipulate his base now he loves it. It was him and the GOP that wanted to ban it at first then it was a bipartisan effort. It’s something they probably won’t get reverse by Congress but I can see Trump pulling strings to get it purchased by some of his cronies.

TikTok and bytedance and well everyone knows that you got to stroke Trumps ego to get want. Trump is a simple creature that will do anything if you flatter him or stroke his ego.

Maybe Musk will buy it and change the name to Y.

 

[NostaSeronx]

FOREIGN ADVERSARY CONTROLLED APPLICATION.—The term “foreign adversary controlled application” means a website, desktop application, mobile application, or augmented or immersive technology application. [The application is operated by persons domiciled in, headquartered in, maintaining a principal place of business in, or organized under the laws of a country designated as a U.S. foreign adversary under Section 4872(d)(2) of Title 10 of the United States Code, or is operated by a company with at least 20% of its ownership stake held by such persons;]

R.I.P. Riot Games who is owned 100% by Tencent. [Epic Games is owned 35% by Tencent]

One thing that boggles my mind is that the popular replacement for Tiktok is an app called 'Xiaohongshu'... the translation is 'little red book', ie. Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung, that little red book that obedient Chinese people should hold close to their heart.

I have no clue but I have read Chinese web novels. I'm pretty sure it is this actually: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People's_Republic_of_China_Marriage_Certificate

Current little red book in pop culture is the marriage book. Which if referring to a red book in english. It is going to be the one about marriage.

 

[Brainonska511]

The big issue with TikTok is audience capture. The algorithm is so finely tuned that innocuous cooking stuff exists side by side with whatever misinformation you can dream of, and the algorithm can force feed the siloed audiences whichever path they have tumbled down. Ultimately, this leads people (ie, the misinformation path) to think their wrong ideas are actually correct and believed by a lot of people, and there is just no way to reach those people with correcting information, because the algorithm prevents that.

 

[ivwshane]

I don’t use TikTok but is the basic story; Trump demanded TikTok be banned, it got banned, and now Trump is saying to not ban it? Is that the jist?


Also, I can wait to see what other right wing billionaire purchases it so the right can have almost total control over brainwashing social media.