Updated List of Video Card GPU OVERALL Performance VP Ratings - TITAN update!

[monkeydelmagico]

Thank you for all your hard work on this. Extremely well thought out and very informative.

 

[Elfear]

Thank you for all your hard work on this. Extremely well thought out and very informative.

+1

In regards to your new note concerning Crossfire, I'm a little confused.

You stated "So far, not enough data exists for a more ideally accurate representation of these dual-GPU Radeon cards, so these ratings should only be considered valid for DX10+ games with resolved frame-pacing issues for now"

If the current VP rating reflects performance with frame-pacing in mind, shouldn't the 7990 be ahead of the 690?

I understand that Crossfire still has some work to be done with DX9 games and multi-monitor resolutions but, if the context of the rating is for DX10+ games only, the 7990 is generally faster than the 690.

 

[BoFox]

Thanks guys.

About the 7990 being ahead of the 690 - that might be true for some of the DX10+ games that have been proven to have resolved frame pacing. Fact is, not all DX10+ games have been tested yet - far from it, and AMD is still issuing fixes on a per-game basis. Also, Eyefinity CF frame pacing is still not resolved yet, so the 690 is ahead at resolutions like 5760x1080 regardless of fps scores.

On the flip side, GTX 690 is far from perfect - see post #45

I'll try to keep the ratings updated as more data comes from reviewers. Soon, we'll probably be seeing a lot more information on this with R9 280X (renamed 7970) CF cards. Hopefully R9 290X is even better than GTX 690 altogether on all ends.

What do you guys think of what I proposed for translating the average "slow" alternating frame time into "MICROSTUTTER-ADJUSTED FRAME TIME"? See post #61 - link below:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34665166&postcount=61

If a reviewer could comment on this, that would be awesome!

 

[Elfear]

Thanks guys.

About the 7990 being ahead of the 690 - that might be true for some of the DX10+ games that have been proven to have resolved frame pacing. Fact is, not all DX10+ games have been tested yet - far from it, and AMD is still issuing fixes on a per-game basis. Also, Eyefinity CF frame pacing is still not resolved yet, so the 690 is ahead at resolutions like 5760x1080 regardless of fps scores.

On the flip side, GTX 690 is far from perfect - see post #45

I get what you're saying, it just seemed like your disclaimer is saying the opposite of what your rating indicates. The 7990 is currently rated lower than the 690 so I'd imagine the disclaimer should say "Crossfire still has a few teething issues to work out (DX9 and multi-monitor) which is reflected in its rating. The VP score is higher for those games with fixed frame-pacing (DX10/11)".

Right now your disclaimer states the 7990 rating is only valid for DX10+ games with no frame-pacing issues. If you only consider fixed games, then the rating would be higher no?

 

[BoFox]

I get what you're saying, it just seemed like your disclaimer is saying the opposite of what your rating indicates. The 7990 is currently rated lower than the 690 so I'd imagine the disclaimer should say "Crossfire still has a few teething issues to work out (DX9 and multi-monitor) which is reflected in its rating. The VP score is higher for those games with fixed frame-pacing (DX10/11)".

Right now your disclaimer states the 7990 rating is only valid for DX10+ games with no frame-pacing issues. If you only consider fixed games, then the rating would be higher no?

You're right that it would make more sense with the wording... IF it were the case for all popular resolutions, but a large portion of 7990 and GTX 690 owners also game at 5760x1080 or higher. HD 7990 still does not have frame metering for Eyefinity yet. I'm eagerly awaiting "Phase 2" drivers from AMD.. Really, the rating should ideally be for all modern games in all popular resolutions, overall in the first place. So, please pardon me if my wording isn't perfectly spot-on. Thanks for the suggestion, though.

 

[looper]

With an i7-2600k CPU running @ stock speed, would getting the nVidia GTX 780 be a waste? ...ie, the limitations of my MB/CPU... could not make use of that horsepower?

 

[BoFox]

With an i7-2600k CPU running @ stock speed, would getting the nVidia GTX 780 be a waste? ...ie, the limitations of my MB/CPU... could not make use of that horsepower?

For most games, not at all - but for CPU-intensive games like Civilization V, Starcraft 2, etc.. it might help to overclock the CPU just a bit. After all, you got an unlocked version that is geared towards overclockers. It could probably run at close to 4GHz on whatever the cooler is, without changing anything else - all it would take is upping the multiplier in the BIOS.

 

[StinkyMojo]

Awesome list, thanks for your hard work! We need one of these for CPUs

 

[looper]

Just ordered the nVidia 780 and should arrive by Saturday I hope... @ $500. and new Batman game (son will like), rather than @ $650. price of a few week's ago... There is a God...

Played a few maps of BF4 yesterday at 1600x1200... look forward to going back to 1920x1200 with the new card... Should I try to sell the Radeon 5870 (and where's the best place to do that)?

EDIT > Update, I am returning the vanilla 780, and getting the Galaxy nVidia 780-HOF edition for @ $539.99... got amazing review at HardOp....

 

[BoFox]

Awesome list, thanks for your hard work! We need one of these for CPUs

I wanted to do the VP ratings for CPUs, but then realized that I do not know CPUs as well as I do GPUs.. CPU progress has basically stalled in the past few years compared to the progress of GPUs.

Then I also realized that soon in the future, ARM cpus will be integrated on Nvidia's upcoming Maxwell. The "Gigaflop" power of GPUs far exceed that of CPUs - and is exponentially increasing compared to the CPU power.

As programs and apps become more intelligent and robust, they start using GPU power to a great extent, that puts CPU power to shame. Soon everything will require the vastly greater GPU power.

Intel and AMD have merged their CPUs with GPUs and are greatly increasing their GPU power compared to CPU power. Soon, the GPU power will become a vastly greater focal point of the mainstream CPU they are selling - everybody will be asking how big/fast the GPU is - what the name of the GPU is, rather than the CPU for both instances.

Further, let "Voodoo" be the magic of the vastly greater GPU power that only has the CPU as its subconsious brain stem. LOLOLOL...

Just ordered the nVidia 780 and should arrive by Saturday I hope... @ $500. and new Batman game (son will like), rather than @ $650. price of a few week's ago... There is a God...

Played a few maps of BF4 yesterday at 1600x1200... look forward to going back to 1920x1200 with the new card... Should I try to sell the Radeon 5870 (and where's the best place to do that)?

Great! Enjoy it - overclock it!! Yes, I dare you! It's too quiet - just overclock it like that stupid Ivy Bridge running far below a decent 120-140W spec of stock CPUs from 6+ years ago.

Ebay, here on FS/T forum section, Amazon, and other forums would be great for selling.

 

[looper]

I had a 'vanilla' nVidia 780 on order which I am cancelling. Instead I'm getting the Galaxy 780-'HOF' version. At @ $539.99 I think it's a good value for some amazing OC'd performance, per this review at what I consider a well-respected computer enthusiast site, HardOp...

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/

 

[BoFox]

I'm giving more thought about this CPU rating in response to StinkyMojo above.. when I said that I don't know CPUs as well as I do GPUs - it's probably because it's more difficult to gauge overall CPU performance when some apps start to take advantage of multiple threads or some certain extension like SSE4, AVX, AVX2, etc..

How would the 1.6GHz Jaguar CPU in the PS4 or XB1 perform compared to the triple-core 3GHz PowerPC in Xbox360? How much faster would the Jaguar be, despite being clocked at nearly half the speed? The lack of relative benchmarks makes me want to throw in the rag. Perhaps Virge knows this much better than I do - and I would very much welcome his answer here.

I guess I could just base it off Gflops performance but the AVX vector instructions makes it all that more complicated - as it proposes to double the theoretical peak Gflops performance. For the next-gen consoles, the Jaguar with its 8 "integer cores" would boast around 100Gflops, roughly the same as i7 2600k or 3770k. In that sense, Haswell would be more than twice as fast thanks to AVX2, but we have yet to see this be the case.

Any word on this would be appreciated - like I said, I find it much more difficult to do for CPUs than for GPUs due to the complexity, the nature of a handful of programs taking advantage of certain extensions, etc - it would be like trying to base the GPUs off the non-gaming performance alone (F@h, Bitcoin mining, etc..). The fact that both Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge "non-E" variants hardly perform any faster than Nehalem in most benchmarks (actually slower in some cases) clock-for-clock due to dual-channel bandwidth for example makes it even more ambiguous. Most of us would like to say that Sandy Bridge is overall 10-20% faster, with Ivy Bridge being another 5% faster, but when we look at how they are actually slower in some benches clock-for-clock (perhaps due to dual-channel memory interface), what do we make of that?

I had a 'vanilla' nVidia 780 on order which I am cancelling. Instead I'm getting the Galaxy 780-'HOF' version. At @ $539.99 I think it's a good value for some amazing OC'd performance, per this review at what I consider a well-respected computer enthusiast site, HardOp...

http://hardocp.com/article/2013/08/14/galaxy_geforce_gtx_780_hof_edition_review/

Awesome - congratulations! Definitely worth it, I agree!!! A lot more fun/exciting too! LMK how high you can get it to go!

 

[looper]

Awesome - congratulations! Definitely worth it, I agree!!! A lot more fun/exciting too! LMK how high you can get it to go!

If I run that Galaxy 780-HOF OC'd all the way, I bet those fans will sound like a 747 is landing in the computer room... the wife will NOT appreciate...

I may be getting that brand new Eizo 'FG2421' gaming monitor as well... it has the speed of a TN LightBoost/120hz BenQ or Asus, but with the picture quality of a VA panel...

Hope that 780-HOF will be available soon (back-ordered), as my Radeon 5870 is having trouble with running Battlefield 4 at a decent framerate....

 

[BoFox]

If I run that Galaxy 780-HOF OC'd all the way, I bet those fans will sound like a 747 is landing in the computer room... the wife will NOT appreciate...

I may be getting that brand new Eizo 'FG2421' gaming monitor as well... it has the speed of a TN LightBoost/120hz BenQ or Asus, but with the picture quality of a VA panel...

Hope that 780-HOF will be available soon (back-ordered), as my Radeon 5870 is having trouble with running Battlefield 4 at a decent framerate....

Wow - I gotta check out that monitor! Heard the BenQ has good colors too, but the black level still sucks.

Well, in the case of your Galaxy 780-HOF - just let me know how high it can go as long as it's quieter than R9 290X in "747" mode! LOL.. I'm thinking that at 1000MHz, it's about as quiet as the 290X in "Quiet" mode, right guys?

 

[looper]

Eizo FG2421 should have in @ 4 days or so...

 

[BoFox]

From Provantage, right? Got it yet? LMK how that world's first VA panel at 240Hz (120Hz with strobing) treats ya! It's a new dawn of technological age, finally, with killer STATIC contrast ratio that looks like OLED panels! Finally, this is something that clearly puts my 10-year-old GDM-FW900 in second place overall for fast-paced gaming (after factoring in color quality, motion quality, etc..), IMHO!

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_fg2421.htm


BTW, Voodoopower ratings coming up for the new R9 series and GTX 780 Ti soon!!!! I still need to add Haswell CPUs and newer mobile GPUs to the list, which are LONG overdue!! R9 290X will definitely be rated at uber mode, since it is probably what the majority of the buyers will be running the card at. After all, uber mode is probably quieter than the following cards:

Loudest cards ever:

My guess??????

1) FX 5800 Ultra ("Dustbuster")
2) 9800GX2
3) 7950GX2 (let alone the rare OEM 7900GX2)
4) HD 6990 AUSUM mode
5) GTX 295 rev.A
6) X1900XTX
7) GTX 480
8) HD 4870X2
9) ...... several of the high-end single-slot cards from several years ago
10) R9 290X Uber mode????

What do you guys think? I bet there is somebody here who knows this better than I do!!!! Come on, it's a challenge!

 

[looper]

I received the Eizo FG2421 yesterday.

I decided to wait to install it until I get the Galaxy 780-HOF, which is on the way...to do both at the same time. It's killing me having to wait... prob Monday/Tuesday I hope.

Yesterday I had my cable provider bump me up to the '50Down/25Up' tier of web speed...($5/month for 6 months... promo deal) noticed an improvement in Battlefield 4 performance... and which will only get better with the Eizo and the 780 next week.... OH BABY !! Then, maybe I'll be an average player rather than a bum...

 

[railven]

From Provantage, right? Got it yet? LMK how that world's first VA panel at 240Hz (120Hz with strobing) treats ya! It's a new dawn of technological age, finally, with killer STATIC contrast ratio that looks like OLED panels! Finally, this is something that clearly puts my 10-year-old GDM-FW900 in second place overall for fast-paced gaming (after factoring in color quality, motion quality, etc..), IMHO!

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/eizo_fg2421.htm


BTW, Voodoopower ratings coming up for the new R9 series and GTX 780 Ti soon!!!! I still need to add Haswell CPUs and newer mobile GPUs to the list, which are LONG overdue!! R9 290X will definitely be rated at uber mode, since it is probably what the majority of the buyers will be running the card at. After all, uber mode is probably quieter than the following cards:

Loudest cards ever:

My guess??????

1) FX 5800 Ultra ("Dustbuster")
2) 9800GX2
3) 7950GX2 (let alone the rare OEM 7900GX2)
4) HD 6990 AUSUM mode
5) GTX 295 rev.A
6) X1900XTX
7) GTX 480
8) HD 4870X2
9) ...... several of the high-end single-slot cards from several years ago
10) R9 290X Uber mode????

What do you guys think? I bet there is somebody here who knows this better than I do!!!! Come on, it's a challenge!

Oh the 4870x2, I had one of those. But back then I was using a fatter case (serving as an HTPC design) almost 10 feet away. Man I totally forgot how loud that card got. When it prematurely died I was sad and relieved haha.

Bofox, what you think of the new Quiet/Uber debacle? Will each mode get it's on VP rating?

 

[BoFox]

Not in the list (which should have only 1 rating for each card to keep it simple), but I'll derive a rating in a later post here for 290X's quite mode as well.

My vote is on Uber mode. What do you guys think?

 

[railven]

Not in the list (which should have only 1 rating for each card to keep it simple), but I'll derive a rating in a later post here for 290X's quite mode as well.

My vote is on Uber mode. What do you guys think?

Uber all the way! Asterisk it if you have to with a foot note: "Damn AMD fix yo stuff!"

 

[BoFox]

I received the Eizo FG2421 yesterday.

I decided to wait to install it until I get the Galaxy 780-HOF, which is on the way...to do both at the same time. It's killing me having to wait... prob Monday/Tuesday I hope.

Yesterday I had my cable provider bump me up to the '50Down/25Up' tier of web speed...($5/month for 6 months... promo deal) noticed an improvement in Battlefield 4 performance... and which will only get better with the Eizo and the 780 next week.... OH BABY !! Then, maybe I'll be an average player rather than a bum...

You're gonna be much better than average, trust me!! You'll be a killer with this screen, which will make a massive difference! Just make sure Vsync is disabled (tearing won't be as bad at 120Hz), and avoid wireless mice - use Logitech G9x for a good claw grip, or something similarly fast with 1000Hz input. :thumbsup:

 

[looper]

You're gonna be much better than average, trust me!! You'll be a killer with this screen, which will make a massive difference! Just make sure Vsync is disabled (tearing won't be as bad at 120Hz), and avoid wireless mice - use Logitech G9x for a good claw grip, or something similarly fast with 1000Hz input. :thumbsup:

I really like the Razor 'Death Adder' mouse. I'm on my second one... wore out the first one playing BBC2 and BF3...

 

[BoFox]

Uber all the way! Asterisk it if you have to with a foot note: "Damn AMD fix yo stuff!"

Yep, that's for some of those reviews out there doing cold benchmark runs!

It just makes things more complicated. An asterisk takes care of the problem for those who wish to leave things completely and utterly "STOCK"! :ninja:

 

[BoFox]

Xbitlabs..... such a good review site - sometimes just so late!!!! ARGH!!!!! I don't know why I need that site to feel complete...

 

[Joeydubbs]

Oh the 4870x2, I had one of those. But back then I was using a fatter case (serving as an HTPC design) almost 10 feet away. Man I totally forgot how loud that card got. When it prematurely died I was sad and relieved haha.

Same here, that card was way loud, probably not a coincidence that these cards died early...

I didn't see the radeon 280x on the list, is this is essentially the same as a 7970? The 280x is on my short list to match with my 4770k (as long as its not too loud!)