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zinfamous

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...anyone think Bottas is doing a little job on RedBull to send a message to Toto that "he needs another year on his contract?"

lol. I had that thought. and also...that it's really Merc strategy this year, and we'll get "Bounty Gate, season 2: F1" within 3 or 4 years, haha. I mean...come on! 2.5 straight events? :D
 

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Looks like they're even securing themselves a bonus: Due to the cracked engines, gearboxes etc, particularly from the Silverstone crash, it looks like RB will take some severe grid penalties later in the season - and that's in addition to having to bear the costs for all the hardware replacements...
 
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_Rick_

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Well, that's it for Vettel's second second place this season.
Apparently the car sprung a minor fuel leak and lost 1.3 liters of fuel over the race, which never showed up in the in-out accounting between start weight and injected fuel measurements.
I don't see how the penalty fits the violation here - but I guess that's the price for having a reasonably simple ruleset.
Still, some technical steward leeway for first-time, "explainable" violations, which are due to issues that have a limited benefit to the team (the leak could have gained Vettel time over the race, but he was stuck behind Ocon anyway, so any benefit was probably lost in ultimately unsuccessful attacks), and are evidently not intentional (hence why there's the one-time/first-time qualifier), would not looks out of place.
Compared to the inconsistent penalties for driving infringements, which to the audience have a much more noticeable impact, I don't see how this argument could not be made.

Particularly in this time of a cost-cap, I don't see how the leniency on first-time infringements could sensibly be exploited, by a "do it once for marginal gains, where it matters" mindset. In this case for example, I don't even think they were underweight, as the penalty was for fuel sampling only. So the only real benefit would be, that the fuel would have been tuned in such a marginal way, for this one race, that the illegal additive would have been impossible to detect in the reduced fuel sample, all the while being sufficiently well tested to be beneficial across the race distance. Given the engine tuning and validation required to do this change for one race only, I believe the motive can be easily discarded.

So in the spirit of the law, I see no reason to penalize.....
 

Ajay

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Well, that sucks for Vettel and team. Hmm, I thought the fuel bladder 'tanks' were self sealing - apparently not.
 

Zim Hosein

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Belgian Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Verstappen
P2. Russel o_O
P3. Hamilton
P4. Ricciardo
P5. Vettel

A wet track sure does mix things up a bit! Hopefully Norris will be well enough in the AM after his shunt, he was favoring his elbow after getting out of his McLaren. Same weather prediction for tomorrow, with some luck it will be a good race to watch.
 
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Ajay

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Incredible drive by Russel! I just looked up tomorrow's weather at Spa and Zim is dead on - 67% POP :confused:. So, fingers crossed that by race time they can run slicks. Bummer for Lando, also hope he is good for tomorrow. Vettel called it, should have red flagged it for a while. Gah, I do not like races in the wet.
 

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Who is the McLaren backup driver anyway? Vandoorne?
That was Norris' pole to grab, shame he got just a bit too confident in tge gull wet.

Hopefully they have fresh power unit available. The gearbox surely will need ro be changed, and what better opportunity than a pitlane start, to take a grid penalty.

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Zim Hosein

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Belgian Grand Prix "Race Results:"

P1. Verstappen
P2. Russell :cool:
P3. Hamilton
P4. Ricciardo
P5. Vettel.

Longest wait ever for the shortest F1 "race" ever. :mad:
 
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F1 should have delayed the race by a day like Indycar and NASCAR do. Or refund all the fans in attendance who spent $$$ and hours in the rain to get given a two lap parade and have it called a legitimate F1 race. Sad, that.
 

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Dutch Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Verstappen
P2. Hamilton
P3. Bottas
P4. Gasly
P5. Leclerc

Zandvoort is not an easy place to pass so I expect tomorrows race results will come down to the start & tire strategy.
 

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That, and potential safety cars and red flags. There's little margin for error, and T1-2-3 tomorrow will be busy, especially with several cars starting out of position.

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Dutch Grand Prix Race Results:

P1. Verstappen
P2. Hamilton
P3. Bottas
P4. Gasly
P5. Leclerc

What a boring race to be honest. Bottas did a good job to avoid Vettel during his spin. The last minute pit stops with Mercedes was confusing, can't believe that Bottas temporarily took fastest lap, good thing Hamilton got it back!
 

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Bottas really needs to leave the toxic Mercedes Team. I hope for Russell, that he will be given a chance next year, not pitted so as to not impede Sir Hamilton.

Disastrous race for McLaren once more - they really need to recover, if they want to come third in the Championship again.

Gasly again doing a very good job for Alpha Tauri - important points for their midfield battle with Alpine.

Can't wait for Monza - after the last few qualis there, having a sprint quali is probably welcomed by everyone. The Q1/Q2 waiting game to not be first on the lap was getting ridoculous the last couple of years.

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What a boring race to be honest.

Yes, when even this mid-field is is fairly uneventful, it's pretty sad. I keep saying it, but somehow the FIA needs to help get at least 3 teams in the top tier.

The Q1/Q2 waiting game to not be first on the lap was getting ridiculous the last couple of years.

Yes, it's stupid. Guys are getting their laps chopped off because someone else is in the way - duh!

On a personal note, I had hoped Checo would be doing better buy now. But he is a bit up and down (obviously, today's engine penalty wasn't his fault and he made a nice run up to 8th).
 

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Bottas really needs to leave the toxic Mercedes Team. I hope for Russell, that he will be given a chance next year, not pitted so as to not impede Sir Hamilton.

Disastrous race for McLaren once more - they really need to recover, if they want to come third in the Championship again.

Gasly again doing a very good job for Alpha Tauri - important points for their midfield battle with Alpine.

Can't wait for Monza - after the last few qualis there, having a sprint quali is probably welcomed by everyone. The Q1/Q2 waiting game to not be first on the lap was getting ridoculous the last couple of years.

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Well, Bottas leaving was set yesterday with him going to Alfa in Kimmi’s old seat and Georgie coming over from Williams…finally.

Seems Bottas is getting a long-term contract instead of the self-described “knife to the throat” one year contracts MB had him doing. I wish him success.

If I was Hamilton, I’d be a tad concerned.
 

Ajay

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Well, Bottas leaving was set yesterday with him going to Alfa in Kimmi’s old seat and Georgie coming over from Williams…finally.

Seems Bottas is getting a long-term contract instead of the self-described “knife to the throat” one year contracts MB had him doing. I wish him success.

If I was Hamilton, I’d be a tad concerned.
Well, that's too bad for Bottas; having to drop back that far - bad timing.
I don't see why Hamilton should be concerned. It took a bit till Rosberg decided to go full elbows out with Hamilton. As the new guy, Russel wouldn't hear the end of it if he did that year 1.
 

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Italian Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Bottas
P2. Hamilton
P3. Verstappen
P4. Norris
P5. Ricciardo

That sets the grid for the "sprint qualifying" race tomorrow, which will set the grid for the GP on Sunday.
 
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Ajay

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Italian Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Bottas
P2. Hamilton
P3. Verstappen
P4. Norris
P5. Ricciardo

That sets the grid for the "sprint qualifying" race tomorrow, which will set the grid for the GP on Sunday.
Oh, right. I thought the actual sprint qualifying had been done on a Friday - hence the shock emoticon.
Geez, Perez about 0.6 seconds behind Max - getting a bit annoying. RB needs to find a bit more performance.
Riccardo was just a tenth behind Norris - nice job! Maybe he is finally finding his rhythm.
 

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Italian Grand Prix Sprint Qualifying Results:

P1. Bottas
P2. Verstappen
P3. Ricciardo
P4 Norris
P5. Hamilton

Bottas starts at the end of the grid tomorrow due to engine penalties, so everyone moves up a spot, so Verstappen actually gets credit for pole. o_O
 

Ajay

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Thanks @Zim Hosein 👍

So for the clarity, the racing grid is:

P1. Verstappen
P2. Ricciardo
P3 .Norris
P4. Hamilton
P5. Leclerc

Interesting Grid! Really happy for Ricciardo, long break-in period for him, and for Leclerc (Ferrari fans will be happy). Everyone upstream should thank Norris. I’m a bit surprised how difficult passing was - 2022 cars can’t come fast enough.
 

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Italian Grand Prix Race Results:

P1. Ricciardo
P2. Norris
P3. Bottas
P4. Leclerc
P5. Perez

Well deserved win for McLaren! :beercheers: Bottas had a good recovery drive starting at the back of the grid. I'm going to go w/ racing incident regarding Max & Lewis but after watching the replay a few more times if anyone should be blamed it should be Max. Lewis gave him room going into turn 1 and Max should have backed out at turn 2. At least it was an interesting race! :)
 
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