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_Rick_

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Lewis just ran Max onto the curb for T2, at which point their fate was decided. Had he tried not to drive Max off the road, he may have had the ability to make the turn.

I see mostly Lewis as the one who had tje ability to prevent the crash - they were side by side, and Lewis just turned into the apex.

Feels like a 5 place grid drop to me.

That McLaren won this on pace/and starts is quite amazing. Really strong work by both drivers, and finally a good race for Ricciardo. Even without the troubles of Max and Lewis, they might have pulled off the win.

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Lewis just ran Max onto the curb for T2, at which point their fate was decided. Had he tried not to drive Max off the road, he may have had the ability to make the turn.

I see mostly Lewis as the one who had tje ability to prevent the crash - they were side by side, and Lewis just turned into the apex.

I disagree and it seems like the stewards agree w/ me, Verstappen gets a 3 place grid penalty for the next race.
 

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weird, I totally saw that as Lewis not giving Max enough room. I'm a bit shocked, really.

But man, still fun race despite that. Happy to see McClaren have a big day and Ricciardo "not be dead," as he said over the radio doing his victory lap, lol.

Bottas was fun to watch today.
 
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Ajay

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I’m guessing Max and Lewis are going to be elbows out the rest of the season. Shades of Lewis and Rosberg, though, obviously, different teams this time. Oh, and double thumbs up for the halo. Without it, Lewis would be in the hospital, at best.
 

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Seriously, felt bad watching him just get asked about the Max and Lewis crash during his podium interview after climbing from last place.
David Coulthard is either an idiot, or those who give him the questions to read are. This sort of stupid stuff happens time after time.
 

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Russian Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Norris :astonished:
P2. Sainz
P3. Russell
P4. Hamilton
P5. Ricciardo

Scrappy day in the office for Hamilton, Norris & Sainz got everything timed right. Once again an unusual grid for tomorrow, will definitely be a good race to watch!
 
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Please tell me the race will be in the Dry :oops:.

Wondered where Max was but RB chose wisely, why waste time running in the top engine mode when you are starting at the back of the grid. And, why take a chance of crashing in the wet.
Hamilton knocked over a mechanic yesterday and then crashed into a pit wall today, not a good start to the weekend. Mercedes power is certainly ruling the weekend; wonder if Merc is going to regretting that a bit :p.

Still, I would be surprised if Mercedes doesn't win tomorrow, Hamilton really strong under dry conditions; the rest of the podium is certainly up for grabs. Sochi is one of the few tracks with great passing opportunities.
 

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Russian Grand Prix Race Results:

P1. Hamilton (Win 100!) :beercheers:
P2. Verstappen :astonished:
P3. Sainz
P4. Ricciardo
P5. Bottas

Hamilton finally gets win 100! :beercheers: Verstappen goes from P. 20 to P. 2, rain during the final laps sure made the difference today. McLaren should have pitted Norris, not ask for his opinion on track conditions, they threw away a race win! :( Once again, it was a good race to watch. :)
 

Ajay

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Yes, this was a very interesting race. Congratulations to Lewis, from a bad start to 1st and his 100th win 👍. Verstappen also made bank on the change to inters - only two points behind Lewis after an engine penalty - that’s pretty much a win for RB. Norris, what can one say. Absolutely outstanding driving, such a hard choice to take your driver off the lead with 3 laps to go - Mclaren aren’t used to making this call - Merc is.
 

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Lando had so much confidence in his wet abilities - and Mercedes timed it probably just right. With the rain coming from the far side of the track, pitting was also extra expensive, as the pit straight was basically still taken flat out, so the time loss was immense. Enough to pay off after just one lap though.
Still would have been enough, if it hadn't changed to a downpour - and I'd have loved to see Lando retake the lead - he did get past that Alfa on the last lap, so there was still plenty of fight in him...

A true tragedy, especially directly after Monza.

I wonder how the weather is in Istanbul, this tine of the year :D

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Turkish Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Hamilton (+10 Place Grid Penality for new ICE :( )
P2. Bottas
P3. Verstappen
P4. LeClerc
P5. Gasly
P6. Alonso

Tomorrow I look forward to Hamilton charging through the field from P11 to at the very least end up on the podium. :beercheers:
 

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Turkish Grand Prix Qualifying Results:

P1. Hamilton (+10 Place Grid Penality for new ICE :( )
P2. Bottas
P3. Verstappen
P4. LeClerc
P5. Gasly
P6. Alonso

Tomorrow I look forward to Hamilton charging through the field from P11 to at the very least end up on the podium. :beercheers:
Yeah, Lewis is looking really strong at Istanbul. Great showing by LeClerc.

Also, makes me wonder just what Alonso could do with a better car. RB has some work to get done by tomorrow. And, like everyone else, Perez is just having a hard time with Newey's razor's edge designs.
 

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Turkish Grand Prix Race Results:

P1. Bottas
P2. Verstappen
P3. Perez
P4. Leclerc
P5. Hamilton

Mercedes got it right w/ Bottas, blew it w/ Hamilton IMO. :mad: Great drive by Sainz. Was quite amusing to watch Vettel on the medium tires. :)
 

Ajay

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Happy for Bottas, he deserved that win. Wouldn't want to be one of the Merc engineers on Hamilton's side of the garage today :oops:.
Not a bad race, when I turned it on and saw the wet, I started out quite aggravated. Perez had a good race today, guess I'm being too mean.
 

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Happy for Bottas, he deserved that win. Wouldn't want to be one of the Merc engineers on Hamilton's side of the garage today :oops:.
Not a bad race, when I turned it on and saw the wet, I started out quite aggravated. Perez had a good race today, guess I'm being too mean.

From what I’ve read they saw the temps drop off drastically on the rear of Hamilton’s car which is why they called him in.
 
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From what I’ve read they saw the temps drop off drastically on the rear of Hamilton’s car which is why they called him in.
Yeah, the post race analysis showed that Hamilton's best shot was holding 5th place. RB and Ferrari beat them on strategy (and some very good race craft by Perez and Leclerc).
 

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Yeah, the post race analysis showed that Hamilton's best shot was holding 5th place. RB and Ferrari beat them on strategy (and some very good race craft by Perez and Leclerc).

If Hamilton had pit when the team originally called for him to do so he may not have lost those two places... but it's a moot point now anyway.
 

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What kind of world is this, where Zim is missing out on the quali result of what I assume to be his home race :D (Disregarding the Dutch flag in his avatar)
Guess he's at the track, enjoying Austin ;)

Anyway, what a fightback from Red Bull and Max in particular. They were really on the ropes on Friday morning, but by FP2 the RB looked much closer, and in FP3 was already looking faster. I guess Mercedes found a pretty optimal setup early on, and then just stagnated there, and couldn't optimize, as the track started heating up.
Surprise rain at the end of quali was also quite something, and may well have decided pole, certainly meant losing out on a Red Bull front row.
A surprise result for me was Lando not getting higher up the grid but I guess anything is possible in Austin T1, and Hamilton is already talking up the odds of a crash between him and Verstappen just there.

With the race being 3 hours earlier than quali, probably to appease Europeans, I do wonder what that means for track temperature. At least Hurricane Rick (as if I could resist mentioning that one) is still out a couple of days, so shouldn't impact the race, if I read the situation right. Flashbacks of the Austin rowboats still haunt me occasionally ;)
 

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It appears i actually get a chance to watch a race today? TitanTV has it listed as being on ABC at 1:30 but the other places i looked shows it at 3pm (EDT i assume). At the beginning of the season all races were ESPN only.

Can anyone confirm the start time?
 

Ajay

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Aramco US Grand Prix Race Results:

P1. Verstappen
P2. Hamilton
P3. Perez
P4. Leclerc
P5. Ricciardo

Great racing!

Really, I thought RB blew its strategy with Hamilton coming out on the last stint with 8 fewer laps on his tires. Then Merc tells Hamilton to ease in the tires in with an 8 second deficit. What???

Those last few laps were a nail biter, even though it looked too late for Lewis to do anything. Thankfully, Mazepan just got out of the way.
 
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Aramco US Grand Prix Race Results:

P1. Verstappen
P2. Hamilton
P3. Perez
P4. Leclerc
P5. Ricciardo

Great racing!

Really, I thought RB blew its strategy with Hamilton coming out on the last stint with 8 fewer laps on his tires. Then Merc tells Hamilton to ease in the tires in with an 8 second deficit. What???

Those last few laps were a nail biter, even though it looked too late for Lewis to do anything. Thankfully, Schumacher just got out of the way.
I'm not a racing fan, but enjoyed watching this live! The race appeared to be decided on lap 55. Hamilton had been chipping away for a while and got it down to about 1s. But strangely, he lost something like 0.4s over the first half or so of this lap and thus fell a bit short at the end.
 

Ajay

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I'm not a racing fan, but enjoyed watching this live! The race appeared to be decided on lap 55. Hamilton had been chipping away for a while and got it down to about 1s. But strangely, he lost something like 0.4s over the first half or so of this lap and thus fell a bit short at the end.
Glad you liked it!

Yes, the hard compound tires can suddenly lose traction ('fall off a cliff') randomly as they age. Hamilton was pushing hard, so they probably got just too hot and started squirming through the corners. By then Hamilton was in the in the 'dirty air' behind the RB, which chews up the tires faster, just to make matters worse. Listening to Peter Windsor's analysis, I think the win for Verstappen, was in running almost five seconds faster than Hamilton on his outlap from the second tire change. Now, Hamilton did that slow outlap based on Merc's request. I thought it was a bad move then and I still think it was - but we will never know. Verstappen's fast, but less aggressive drive saved his tires _just_ enough.

It's a really fun title battle (for a change). I hope it goes on till the end of the season (one crash or mechanical failure can really change the fight).