Upcoming/possible games using Mantle

[Grooveriding]

Nice list. The new Mirror's Edge will certainly have Mantle support. It's a DICE title and it's Frostbite 3 based. The new CoD is a surprise

 

[escrow4]

If your CPU is so slow that it can't feed your GPU, you need a new CPU not an API crutch. Is Mantle AMD's apology to those who bought its CPUs?

 

[3DVagabond]

If your CPU is so slow that it can't feed your GPU, you need a new CPU not an API crutch. Is Mantle AMD's apology to those who bought its CPUs?

So you don't want a more efficient, faster, API because...?

 

[toyota]

So you don't want a more efficient, faster, API because...?

I think he is simply saying if you are going to get a high end card then get a cpu that can feed it in EVERY game NOW instead of sitting back and hoping Mantle can make up for a poor cpu buying decision.

 

[3DVagabond]

I think he is simply saying if you are going to get a high end card then get a cpu that can feed it in EVERY game NOW instead of sitting back and hoping Mantle can make up for a poor cpu buying decision.

You can have a top CPU/GPU and Mantle is still the faster higher performing API.

 

[RaulF]

Desprado, you don't need to say the exact same thing 5 times. (In hard to understand typing from a 13 year old much less) We get that you have some strong hate for AMD that only sleepless nights and pointless exaggeration can satisfy. Geez.

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Thank you. :thumbsup:

 

[RaulF]

If your CPU is so slow that it can't feed your GPU, you need a new CPU not an API crutch. Is Mantle AMD's apology to those who bought its CPUs?

If DX is a POS, should we not want a better API!

 

[zlatan]

Dunno, because their list in March was pretty much spot on, even featured Hardline under a codename before it was announced.

http://videocardz.com/49777/list-upcoming-games-support-mantle-api

And Codename Mars is now Offworld Trading Company. No doubt that they source informed very well.
On the other hand it really not that hard to write a list from the upcomming games that use Frostbite 3, Asura, LORE, Nitrous, and CryEngine 3.5. In these engines Mantle is a fully implemented render back-end. If the developers won't change the source, than it is mostly a checkbox feature. Just click to activate it and BAM, it works. Also every game that developed by Nixxes Software and United Front Games is a potential Mantle title.
Frontier Developments (Elite: Dangerous) engine programer on twitter said he want to participate in Mantle beta.
A Xaviant dev (Lichdom: Battlemage) said earlier that they use the CE3.4, so they need to upgrade to version 3.5 for Mantle support, and they think about it.
Creative Assembly think about Mantle support. This is not a new information, but they may not implement it to Alien: Isolation.
And Techland: Breathtaking Visuals and Gameplay - Dying Light is the first game powered by Chrome Engine 6, a cutting edge incarnation of Techland's proprietary technology, designed from the ground up for the new console generation, DirectX 11 and other advanced solutions.
Hmm. What's that "other advanced solutions". Maybe a hint for Mantle? :sneaky:

Sims 4 is an EA game, heavily advertised by AMD, and the potential buyers are casuals, implementing Mantle should be an understandable choice.

Basically GTA5 and COD AW is the question.
There is nothing on the internet. But I can say Mantle can provide useful informations to optimize further the D3D back-end. Many developers talking about driver overhead, but there is also an engine overhead (yeah we are humans, so the codes are not fully optimized, sorry ()). In D3D it is impossible to track down this, but in Mantle it is. And with that knowledge it is possible to optimize the D3D code.
Sounds weird but implementing Mantle to get some extra information for optimizing the D3D code is good solution.

 

[Skurge]

I think he is simply saying if you are going to get a high end card then get a cpu that can feed it in EVERY game NOW instead of sitting back and hoping Mantle can make up for a poor cpu buying decision.

I'd like to see this CPU that can feed multiple highend GPUs in EVERY game. Cause I would like a CPU that doesn't drop to sub 20FPS in 4v4 SC2 games even at 4K, during large battles and after I disable crossfire for the second GPU cause it isn't doing anything.

 

[KaRLiToS]

I think he is simply saying if you are going to get a high end card then get a cpu that can feed it in EVERY game NOW instead of sitting back and hoping Mantle can make up for a poor cpu buying decision.

I wish you could see what a 4930k @ 4.6ghz does with 4 x R9 290x.

And YES, Mantle does a huge difference even with this type of configuration.

I'd like to see this CPU that can feed multiple highend GPUs in EVERY game. Cause I would like a CPU that doesn't drop to sub 20FPS in 4v4 SC2 games even at 4K, during large battles and after I disable crossfire for the second GPU cause it isn't doing anything.

^^This.

 

[cytg111]

I wish you could see what a 4930k @ 4.6ghz does with 4 x R9 290x.

I would like to see those numbers, with / without mantle, heavy multiplayer etc. Cause that certainly is the other potential of mantle -> pushing the bar higher for extreme high-end rigs.

 

[Galatian]

The is Civilization: Beyond Earth coming out 10/24. It supports Mantle.

 

[Noctifer616]

I think he is simply saying if you are going to get a high end card then get a cpu that can feed it in EVERY game NOW instead of sitting back and hoping Mantle can make up for a poor cpu buying decision.

Please, show me a CPU that can handle WoW 25 man heroic raiding without going below 60 FPS.

I would imagine that Wildstar might be even worse since there you have 40 man raids.

I would love to see a MMORPG adopt Mantle so we can see how the API works in scenarios with 20-100 people on a single map.

 

[chimaxi83]

Please, show me a CPU that can handle WoW 25 man heroic raiding without going below 60 FPS.

I would imagine that Wildstar might be even worse since there you have 40 man raids.

I would love to see a MMORPG adopt Mantle so we can see how the API works in scenarios with 20-100 people on a single map.

Garbage engines like WoW are unoptimized crap.

 

[Noctifer616]

Garbage engines like WoW are unoptimized crap.

Other MMOs have the same issue in areas with a ton of people.

 

[f1sherman]

Please, show me a CPU that can handle WoW 25 man heroic raiding without going below 60 FPS.

I would imagine that Wildstar might be even worse since there you have 40 man raids.

I would love to see a MMORPG adopt Mantle so we can see how the API works in scenarios with 20-100 people on a single map.

INDEED!

At the moment Mantle is simply BF4 performance patch.
That in other games largely goes to waste (Thief, ZvP... Sniper Elite 3(?)) while so many games would profit tremendously from it.

Here just a few crazy popular games that are ripe for Mantle:

• WoW
• Eve Online
• DayZ/Arma
• Starcraft

But instead we get Murdered Soul Suspect and Sniper Elite 3 D:

The list from OP would be a decent one if true.

 

[Grooveriding]

Please, show me a CPU that can handle WoW 25 man heroic raiding without going below 60 FPS.

I would imagine that Wildstar might be even worse since there you have 40 man raids.

I would love to see a MMORPG adopt Mantle so we can see how the API works in scenarios with 20-100 people on a single map.

WoW is ancient. The engine is based of the Warcraft 3 engine... It's archaic and is single-threaded. You'd get the same performance out of a pentium Haswell as you would out of an 4790k at the same clock speeds.

The game's optimization is truly terrible, nothing will improve that game but a completely new engine rewrite.

 

[Noctifer616]

WoW is ancient. The engine is based of the Warcraft 3 engine... It's archaic and is single-threaded. You'd get the same performance out of a pentium Haswell as you would out of an 4790k at the same clock speeds.

The game's optimization is truly terrible, nothing will improve that game but a completely new engine rewrite.

The engine has been improved over the years. They support DX 11 and it's 64 bit now.

It's not the same engine that powered WC 3 anymore.

And again, it's not just WoW that has terrible performance, just look at other MMORPGs, you will find the same issues in locations with a high amount of players engaged in combat.

 

[PPB]

DX 11 patch really did WoW some good. But yeah, it still utter garbage.

 

[Grooveriding]

64bit, DX11, none of those do the game any good for performance to overcome that the game is single threaded. The graphics tech in WoW is ancient, you can max the GPU intensive options of the game with a 7870, it's the single-threaded nature of the game that makes you see sub 60fps numbers.

You'd likely need a 10ghz Haswell to overcome the bottleneck in how old the engine is. I agree that Mantle is ideal for a game like WoW, but Blizzard will never implement anything proprietary like that in the game.

 

[PPB]

With being DX11 enabled it is already implied we were talking about finally becoming more than single threaded. Tought that was clear.

 

[Shamrock]

Is this list of games from videocardz a sign that Mantle is "opening up" instead of being closed to AMD cards?

 

[3DVagabond]

Is this list of games from videocardz a sign that Mantle is "opening up" instead of being closed to AMD cards?

No. It's not opened up yet. Still in closed beta. AMD has ~47 devs involved in the beta program though. It's supposed to be ready to release for general use by everyone before the end of the year, though.

 

[VulgarDisplay]

If your CPU is so slow that it can't feed your GPU, you need a new CPU not an API crutch. Is Mantle AMD's apology to those who bought its CPUs?

I take it you haven't used Mantle at all.

Poor guy doesn't even know what he's missing even on an intel CPU.

 

[Techhog]

If your CPU is so slow that it can't feed your GPU, you need a new CPU not an API crutch. Is Mantle AMD's apology to those who bought its CPUs?

It makes a difference on my i5. Is it time to upgrade already? Darn.