You're an ignorant fool, but I'm too sick of bastards like you to explain the dozens of reasons why yet again.
You're an ignorant fool, but I'm too sick of bastards like you to explain the dozens of reasons why yet again.
Only high schools and earlier are included in that. Colleges are exempt. All laws that prohibit carrying on college campuses are on a case by case basis and established by the college.
Indeed....in Utah, they can post signs, but it's not enforeable according to Utah state laws iirc.
Amused
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OK, so 31 dead, or a couple dead with one bystander accidentally shot by the defending victim.
Wow. What a useless non-point.
At any rate, your final point is exactly why carry should always be concealed. If the criminals don't know who is, and is not armed, they do not know who to target.
every state university in Utah...they can ASK you not to carry, but they cannot force you not to carry....
yeah, we have some of the most liberal gun laws...it goes nicely with our low rate of violent crime
Queasy
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I think we are forgetting one thing in these discussions - College professors are overwhelmingly liberal/anti-gun....however you want to put it. Very few would be willing to actually carry a weapon and there'd be a vocal bunch who would talk about how hard it would be for them to mentally cope with the thought that there are co-workers with guns and would raise all sorts of hell over it.
I guess it's easier to mentally cope watching 31 people get killed for these people isn't it?
I can't mentally cope being around people who think it's ok to line up againt a wall and wait for your turn to be shot instead of putting up some type of resistance. :|
Nope...I think (iirc) the ONLY way they can force you to not pack is to have an armed place with lock boxes for your weapons. and once you put it in their lock box, they are 100% responsible for it. I know it's that way with employers
Until a few years ago you could carry at LCC (lower columbia college). There are currently 16 states that ban carry on campuses, but the number fluctuates up and down every year. Conversely Utah has a law which absolutely allows carry on all campuses. Other states also have legislation pending to make this move (Texas among them). When it's not done by state law then the individual colleges generally get an administrative code enacted to ban it. This is all very recent though. A couple decades ago you could carry on almost every campus (including earlier schools, like high school).
I think this is true. College campuses are case by case. I.e., you can bring a gun on campus, but the college can expell you (pro-2nd amendment people are trying to get this changed though); other than expulsion, the university cannot file criminal charges. Obviously, the colleges are trying to change this so they can file charges. However, after the vt shootings, I don't think the colleges are as gun-ho about their "free-gun zones" anymore.
This was also the case at VT. If you brung a gun to campus, the cops would confiscate it and you would get in trouble with the college - expulsion. However, you would not get in trouble with the state -- i.e., college could not file criminal charges.
People carried guns on my highschool, specifically the school cops. My highschool cops had guns. Then again they were real cops.
Vic
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I think we should ban all guns, even the illegal ones!!
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No seriously, someone tell me what the difference is between armed guards and armed faculty, provided the faculty receives adequate training. Eh? None, really.
However, this is no more a solution than is banning all the guns (even the illegal ones!!). We need to recognize that weapons are symbols and tools of violence, and not violence itself. You would think that would be obvious...
:roll:
No seriously, someone tell me what the difference is between armed guards and armed faculty, provided the faculty receives adequate training. Eh? None, really.
However, this is no more a solution than is banning all the guns (even the illegal ones!!). We need to recognize that weapons are symbols and tools of violence, and not violence itself. You would think that would be obvious...
FYI it is well known that guns help motivate crime. People who own a gun are more likely to go beserk and kill someone.
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