UNLV considures arming faculty.

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Amused

Oh my GAWD! Just stop. Your agenda was so obvious and pathetic even other people saw through it and felt compeled to call you on it.

My implication was obvious WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD TOPIC.

The irony is, you're doing the very thing you accuse me of.

What is my agenda?

Your obvious woody for me. Now stop.

Sad that you are acting like a child. I guess an attempt at having a civil discourse cannot happen when you are in one of your moods.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Yes, with all these school shootings happening every day and thousands dying, we should arm the faculty to stop the onslaught.

Not that I'm against giving having them carry weapons, but all this fear of school shootings is annoying. Crazy guy, with gun, kills people. It can happen anywhere, anytime. The schools aren't in danger, no more than anywhere else, no need to respond and get paranoid to what isn't there.
But that's a whole other argument, so excuse me.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

And yet an off-duty cop was credited with helping to distract the assailant and may have even fired the kill shot that ended the rampage in Utah. He was doing what at the time? Concealed carry.

But the major difference between him and every other CCW in the mall at the time is the fact that he is an off duty police officer. He is still a cop, regardless if he is on duty or not.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

Ok. Say the killer never pointed a gun at a teacher, never fired at them never did any aggressive action towards and armed teacher. Would the teacher still shoot the killer or continue to take cover behind her/his desk?

 

[Parasitic]

So the important thing: is the OP banana baaaaaaanned yet?

ANSWER ME! Answer MEEEEEEE!!!!!111oneeleventybillion42and7!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

And yet an off-duty cop was credited with helping to distract the assailant and may have even fired the kill shot that ended the rampage in Utah. He was doing what at the time? Concealed carry.

But the major difference between him and every other CCW in the mall at the time is the fact that he is an off duty police officer. He is still a cop, regardless if he is on duty or not.

What difference does it make that he had a badge? Everyone has the right to self-defense. Or are you saying that all citizens are equal but some are more equal than others?

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Yes, with all these school shootings happening every day and thousands dying, we should arm the faculty to stop the onslaught.

Not that I'm against giving having them carry weapons, but all this fear of school shootings is annoying. Crazy guy, with gun, kills people. It can happen anywhere, anytime. The schools aren't in danger, no more than anywhere else, no need to respond and get paranoid to what isn't there.
But that's a whole other argument, so excuse me.

People committing felonies are MUCH more likely to victimize those they perceive as being easy targets/least likely to offer resistance (I can dig up studies if you don't believe me). Places which bar legally permitted citizens from concealed carry ensure that the only people with guns will be criminals who don't care about the law.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

Ok. Say the killer never pointed a gun at a teacher, never fired at them never did any aggressive action towards and armed teacher. Would the teacher still shoot the killer or continue to take cover behind her/his desk?

If the killer is shooting people around him, the killer is still an immediate and deadly threat to the teacher. The teacher has every right to take him down and to assume that he will be killed if he does not. He has no obligation to.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

Ok. Say the killer never pointed a gun at a teacher, never fired at them never did any aggressive action towards and armed teacher. Would the teacher still shoot the killer or continue to take cover behind her/his desk?

I think that if the killer had never done anything, as you hypothetize, then the teacher wouldn't even have been taking cover behind his desk.




edit: Oh, I get your point. The right to self-defense includes the right to defend the lives of those around you from imminent danger. The law is that such a danger to those around you constitutes a danger to yourself as well. I thought this was obvious and well-known, which is why I missed the point initially.

 

[illusion88]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

Ok. Say the killer never pointed a gun at a teacher, never fired at them never did any aggressive action towards and armed teacher. Would the teacher still shoot the killer or continue to take cover behind her/his desk?

I think that if the killer had never done anything, as you hypothetize, then the teacher wouldn't even have been taking cover behind his desk.

Ahh. I thought I implied that he was shooting students only and not staff members. But valid point

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

Ok. Say the killer never pointed a gun at a teacher, never fired at them never did any aggressive action towards and armed teacher. Would the teacher still shoot the killer or continue to take cover behind her/his desk?

Are you kidding me? If I was a teacher and somebody was shooting at my students, I would shoot them dead and be praised for it.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Amused

Oh my GAWD! Just stop. Your agenda was so obvious and pathetic even other people saw through it and felt compeled to call you on it.

My implication was obvious WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD TOPIC.

The irony is, you're doing the very thing you accuse me of.

What is my agenda?

Your obvious woody for me. Now stop.

Sad that you are acting like a child. I guess an attempt at having a civil discourse cannot happen when you are in one of your moods.

:roll: Wow...

You really excel when it comes to projecting, don't you?

Look, just stop.

And for future reference: Never target the person... it always makes one look like a fool.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

You're confusing self-defense with vigilantism. The 2 are not the same. Protecting your own life from imminent danger is not the same as taking the law into your hands.

However, as I have argued in the past, it is no more rational to insist that everyone must be armed than it is to insist that everyone must be disarmed.

Ok. Say the killer never pointed a gun at a teacher, never fired at them never did any aggressive action towards and armed teacher. Would the teacher still shoot the killer or continue to take cover behind her/his desk?

Are you kidding me? If I was a teacher and somebody was shooting at my students, I would shoot them dead and be praised for it.

If you as a teacher saw someone shooting at your students, you would have every legal right to conclude that they were going to start shooting at you next, and to act accordingly.

edit: The same legal logic applies to anyone on the scene witnessing such a thing. Even if you were just walking down the street and saw one stranger start shooting up some other unarmed stranger.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

Originally posted by: crt1530

Originally posted by: PieIsAwesome
Yes, with all these school shootings happening every day and thousands dying, we should arm the faculty to stop the onslaught.

Not that I'm against giving having them carry weapons, but all this fear of school shootings is annoying. Crazy guy, with gun, kills people. It can happen anywhere, anytime. The schools aren't in danger, no more than anywhere else, no need to respond and get paranoid to what isn't there.
But that's a whole other argument, so excuse me.

People committing felonies are MUCH more likely to victimize those they perceive as being easy targets/least likely to offer resistance (I can dig up studies if you don't believe me). Places which bar legally permitted citizens from concealed carry ensure that the only people with guns will be criminals who don't care about the law.

Yes, I understand.

But what I was getting at is that there is no insane amount of school murders spreading around like a disease to warrant the recent fear and paranoia that's been spreading around lately, and I see this little tidbit on suggesting that professors being allowed to carry weapons as part of that Post-Virginia tech paranoia and fear.

But putting that aside, yes, I'd rather that people are given a way to defend themselves should anything like this happen again, a potential shooter will definitely think again before trying something like that knowing that the victims are armed.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mill

Originally posted by: Amused

Oh my GAWD! Just stop. Your agenda was so obvious and pathetic even other people saw through it and felt compeled to call you on it.

My implication was obvious WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD TOPIC.

The irony is, you're doing the very thing you accuse me of.

What is my agenda?

Your obvious woody for me. Now stop.

Sad that you are acting like a child. I guess an attempt at having a civil discourse cannot happen when you are in one of your moods.

:roll: Wow...

You really excel when it comes to projecting, don't you?

Look, just stop.

And for future reference: Never target the person... it always makes one look like a fool.

Umm...? I targeted your statement. You are the one that started personally attacking me. I'm through with this, though. Apparently you are on the rag today.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Mill

Umm...? I targeted your statement. You are the one that started personally attacking me. I'm through with this, though. Apparently you are on the rag today.

Your intentions and total stretch of logic was so obvious other people even pointed it out to you.

Just quit, dude. The longer you go on with this the more pathetic you look.

 

[NuroMancer]

Originally posted by: DVK916
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6462692

I am horrified they would considure this, the last thing we need is any guns on a college campus, having armed police it self is unsettleing (but I understand needed), now they want to arm faculty.

If my university did this, their would be huge protest.

You obviously do not posses the intelligence to continue posting here. I am tired of you trolling through Off Topic as if it were your own private fishing spot. Go troll someone else's forum.

AnandTech Moderator

Personally, this makes me happy.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: DVK916
You obviously do not posses the intelligence to continue posting here. I am tired of you trolling through Off Topic as if it were your own private fishing spot. Go troll someone else's forum.

AnandTech Moderator

Thank you. Hopefully permanent this time.

And hopefully when he inevitably comes back as StatsManD, UCDAggies, MyBigFatChin, or whatever new username he comes up with, you'll ban him based on his M.O. rather than his IP address.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Mill

Umm...? I targeted your statement. You are the one that started personally attacking me. I'm through with this, though. Apparently you are on the rag today.

Your intentions and total stretch of logic was so obvious other people even pointed it out to you.

Just quit, dude. The longer you go on with this the more pathetic you look.

Now you are just plain delusional. One of your "fans" said that. What "other people" other than him even replied to what we were saying to each other?

:roll:

Get over yourself. You are not holy and omnipotent.

 

[Vic]

Can the 2 of you take the bickering to PM?

 

[crt1530]

Originally posted by: Vic
Can the 2 of you take the bickering to PM?

They really should just hook up their webcams and cyber in private.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

Holy crap, get rid of one ignorant fool and another immediately pops up to take his place.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: illusion88

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: illusion88
OMG ARE YOU PEOPLE INSANE??

I can't believe you. Even if someone else had a gun at VTech, do you really think they would have shot the killer? Is it there responsibility, their duty? Here in Utah, we had a shooting at a mall not too long ago. In this mall there were 6 people with CCW on them. Yet they hid and or ran, like they should have. It's not their job to take the law into their own hands. It's not any citizens job! It's not what you do!! Do you all want to be heroes is that it? Shoot the bad guy after he pops one or two people to prevent more loss of life. I hope one of you do, and I am going to laugh when they throw your ass in jail for murder.

What happened in UT and VA was a crime, but it is up to no one except the officers of the law to do anything about it. You people are crazy.

And yet an off-duty cop was credited with helping to distract the assailant and may have even fired the kill shot that ended the rampage in Utah. He was doing what at the time? Concealed carry.

But the major difference between him and every other CCW in the mall at the time is the fact that he is an off duty police officer. He is still a cop, regardless if he is on duty or not.

There is NOTHING special about a cop. They are not inherently better trained, more moral, more intelligent, more wise, stronger, faster, or anything else. They just happen to have a job that gives them a uniform. Furthermore there is NO requirement for a cop to risk himself to save anyones sorry butt. They make the EXACT same decisions as anyone else when they choose to respond.

 

[Raduque]

Originally posted by: DVK916
http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=6462692

I am horrified they would considure this, the last thing we need is any guns on a college campus, having armed police it self is unsettleing (but I understand needed), now they want to arm faculty.

If my university did this, their would be huge protest.

You obviously do not posses the intelligence to continue posting here. I am tired of you trolling through Off Topic as if it were your own private fishing spot. Go troll someone else's forum.

AnandTech Moderator

moderatOWNED

Hopefully, you got a vacation.