University of Missouri Protests (Post Mortem)

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CurrentlyPissed

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"specific group of people" :D

You talkin' about black folk amirite?
No, because there are some that are stand up folks. Working in the field I do we also deal with alot of colored people from scott air force base that are from other areas. They are always nice, respectful, and how youd expect a human being to be.

It just seems to be more of a specific group, generation, in our area. Primarily East St Louis. Id suggest reading about the history of estl. Its very interesting. Just 50 years ago in NY Times it was listed as a top 10 city IN THE USA to live, one proclaimed to be an ideal city to live within 25 years.. Now its one of the most dangerous. That generation, and its offspring are literaly ruining this city and its surrounding areas. Ferguson is just one of many to follow.

This is all imo, obviously. Just what I see day to day.

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pcgeek11

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Who would have thought, people don't want to go to a school that let a group of racist loudmouth idiots and liars get the chancellor and president fired?

I certainly wouldn't even consider going to that school or supporting it in any way. People are voting with their feet and their wallets, as they should.

Sadly, many if not most other college campuses are no better, they are hotbeds for PC intolerance, special snowflakes, SJW racists, sexists etc etc. At some point the insanity of it will become clear to even the most ardent leftists, it's just a matter of when that point will be reached.

Thank god not all are so shallow...

http://dailycaller.com/2016/04/09/o...tion-with-promises-of-arrest-expulsion-video/

http://eaglerising.com/32607/two-colleges-end-student-protests-by-threatening-arrest-and-expulsion/
 

pcgeek11

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I salute OSU and Clemson -- o7

I loved this:

Protesters asked what Kasey would happen if they chose to stay.

“Our police officers will physically pick you up and take you to a paddy wagon, and take you to be arrested,” he explained.

“If you are here at five o’clock, our current philosophy is we are going to take you out — escort you out of the building and arrest you. You will be discharged from school also

Kasey then confirmed to a demonstrator’s query that “discharged” means expelled.

“I want you to make good decisions. You’re smart kids,” he said.

“We simply tell you the truth and you live with your actions.”
 

werepossum

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You are right. Uncertainty is the perfect place for the CBD to project its fear. The world is full of conservative brain defectives and their paranoia produces observable facts. People who discount this fact do so at their own peril.

It is a survival mechanism to become rigid with fear. It predates the evolution of intelligence and the capacity to rationally assess risk. That is why as the grip of conservative paranoia grows, the number of paralyzed brains grow. Fear is the mind killer. Your position represents an ancient repository of genetic wisdom, but it is a disaster for the thinking human race.
Nothing to do with fear. It's a cold blooded calculation that if I attend/send my child to this university, I may be wasting years and a lot of money. Maybe students demand that the program I want be cut and administration caves. Maybe the students demand that a large number of the "correct" students be walked through my program and administration caves, so that my degree is rendered less valuable. Either way, when those in charge begin behaving in a manner that seems weak or illogical or foolish, the expectation that the entity will reliably behave in a logical, sensible manner becomes less reasonable. One doesn't have to be conservative to do this calculation, merely able to logically project possible developments from current actions.

"specific group of people" :D

You talkin' about black folk amirite?
It's amusing that you projected his statement not to some black people, but to all black people as a whole.

Chattanooga has a problem with black gangs. Currently they are in a gang war, but beyond that, crimes like burglary, armed robbery, assault and battery, and home invasions are way up. This is a problem with a specific group of people who happen to be black; it is not a problem with black people, most of whom have nothing to do with this and hate it just as much as the next guy. To attribute these things to "black people" requires assuming that people are homogeneous based on skin color - guilt by association, even where no actual association occurs. Reducing a group to its lowest common denominator based on skin color is the worst possible form of racism.

I loved this:

Protesters asked what Kasey would happen if they chose to stay.

“Our police officers will physically pick you up and take you to a paddy wagon, and take you to be arrested,” he explained.

“If you are here at five o’clock, our current philosophy is we are going to take you out — escort you out of the building and arrest you. You will be discharged from school also.”

Kasey then confirmed to a demonstrator’s query that “discharged” means expelled.

“I want you to make good decisions. You’re smart kids,” he said.

“We simply tell you the truth and you live with your actions.”
Sad he had to lie to them and tell them they are smart kids. :)
 

werepossum

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So here we have a way to test Eskimospy's logic. If Mizzou's problems are because of these suddenly revealed racial injustices, then OSU and Clemson should suffer far more for not checking their white privilege. If they are due to Mizzou's actions acquiescing to the young social justice warriors, then OSU and Clemson should suffer far less and perhaps even benefit.
 

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I loved this:

Protesters asked what Kasey would happen if they chose to stay.

“Our police officers will physically pick you up and take you to a paddy wagon, and take you to be arrested,” he explained.

“If you are here at five o’clock, our current philosophy is we are going to take you out — escort you out of the building and arrest you. You will be discharged from school also

Kasey then confirmed to a demonstrator’s query that “discharged” means expelled.

“I want you to make good decisions. You’re smart kids,” he said.

“We simply tell you the truth and you live with your actions.”

Or a more polite way of saying "Screw you whiny bitch ass students for telling us how to run things" :)

Students demanding OSU to divest in Caterpillar and HP because of the Israeli-Palestine conflict? O-M-G get a fricken life.
 

Spungo

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Students demanding OSU to divest in Caterpillar and HP because of the Israeli-Palestine conflict? O-M-G get a fricken life.
If we exclude every evil corporation, that leaves zero corporations to invest in.
Look up the history of Nestle.
 

hal2kilo

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If we exclude every evil corporation, that leaves zero corporations to invest in.
Look up the history of Nestle.

Probably something to do with major efforts at discouraging women from breast feeding in places where there is not enough clean water to use formula.
 

PokerGuy

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So here we have a way to test Eskimospy's logic. If Mizzou's problems are because of these suddenly revealed racial injustices, then OSU and Clemson should suffer far more for not checking their white privilege. If they are due to Mizzou's actions acquiescing to the young social justice warriors, then OSU and Clemson should suffer far less and perhaps even benefit.

Well, the verdict is definitely in on Mizzou's results.... and it's not pretty.

https://nypost.com/2016/05/23/unive...-lame-response-to-last-falls-racial-protests/

Of course this doesn't establish causality, but the steep decline in both enrollment and funding speaks volumes. Students (prospective students) are voting with their feet and their wallets.

One can only hope that the school learns a lesson and starts dealing with the SJW idiots correctly, they should start dealing with a big budget shortfall by axing all the stupid programs and offices to deal with SJW crap.
 
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Well, the verdict is definitely in on Mizzou's results.... and it's not pretty.

https://nypost.com/2016/05/23/unive...-lame-response-to-last-falls-racial-protests/

Of course this doesn't establish causality, but the steep decline in both enrollment and funding speaks volumes. Students (prospective students) are voting with their feet and their wallets.

One can only hope that the school learns a lesson and starts dealing with the SJW idiots correctly, they should start dealing with a big budget shortfall by axing all the stupid programs and offices to deal with SJW crap.
I'm sure that this unexpected drop in attendance and huge budget shortfall was merely a coincidence. /s
 

glenn1

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I'm sure that this unexpected drop in attendance and huge budget shortfall was merely a coincidence. /s

It's just the calm before the storm of coming enrollments now the "campus isn't pervasively racist so these protests are less likely" to quote another esteemed poster here.
 
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Three years later...low freshman enrollment continues...this university is still struggling in the aftermath of the 2015 protests and university response at the time. @woolfe9998 and @fskimospy Care to finally admit that you were wrong?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-misery-in-missouri-1529103599
More Misery in Missouri
The university continues to struggle with fallout from the 2015 protests.
By The Editorial Board
June 15, 2018 6:59 p.m. ET

Indulging protesters can be expensive, as the University of Missouri is discovering three years after students successfully demanded the resignation of the president and chancellor. Last week the school said it will have to eliminate 185 positions on top of 308 cut last year.

Apparently fewer parents want to send their kids to a school where activism eclipses academics. Between the fall 2015 and 2017 semesters, freshman enrollment dropped by 35%. Lost tuition accounts for $29 million of the university’s current $49 million budget shortfall.

In response, Mizzou has had to lay off employees, decline to renew expiring faculty contracts, and leave positions unfilled after retirements. The university is also cutting back on travel and phasing out low-demand courses, among other austerity measures.

Mizzou claims more aggressive recruitment from neighboring states’ schools has contributed to the enrollment decline. And it says growing maintenance, research and personnel costs have contributed to the budget strain. But “we know the perception of Mizzou was a key factor in the difficulties we had over the past two years,” adds spokesman Christian Basi.

Much of the public outcry concerned free speech, and Missouri has tried to improve on that score. Since 2015, all campuses in the Missouri university system have adopted the Chicago Principles, which guarantee “the broadest possible latitude to speak, write, listen, challenge and learn.” But other speech policies at Mizzou remain ambiguous, earning it a mediocre yellow rating from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education that tracks free-speech on campus.

In May 2017, the university signed a $1.3 million contract for three years of outside PR help. This year it has spent $1.8 million on ads to recruit and enroll new students. The school has added $8 million to its scholarship budget and will decrease the cost of student meals and housing next year.

But as of the first week in June only 4,577 incoming freshmen had paid tuition deposits. That’s about 500 more than the same week last year, but about 500 fewer than in June 2015, before the protests. Mizzou now graduates more students than it takes in, so the total number of students is still shrinking.

Missouri is learning the hard way that most students and parents believe a university should be a place for open inquiry run by administrators who will insist on it.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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I'm as shocked as anyone that people in Missouri don't like it when black people protest, haha.

I wonder if the WSJ editorial page is similarly outraged by the actual government stifling student speech with threats of expulsion for 'disrupting' others.

I suspect not.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/campus-speech-protests.html

You aren't one of them, are you? If you are white you ought to know that the uni was in the wrong. "Blacks" shouldn't get uppity. I'm not allowed to use the proper word to describe the sentiment but you can figure it out.
 

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JSt0rm

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Three years later...low freshman enrollment continues...this university is still struggling in the aftermath of the 2015 protests and university response at the time. @woolfe9998 and @fskimospy Care to finally admit that you were wrong?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/more-misery-in-missouri-1529103599
More Misery in Missouri
The university continues to struggle with fallout from the 2015 protests.
By The Editorial Board
June 15, 2018 6:59 p.m. ET

Indulging protesters can be expensive, as the University of Missouri is discovering three years after students successfully demanded the resignation of the president and chancellor. Last week the school said it will have to eliminate 185 positions on top of 308 cut last year.

Apparently fewer parents want to send their kids to a school where activism eclipses academics. Between the fall 2015 and 2017 semesters, freshman enrollment dropped by 35%. Lost tuition accounts for $29 million of the university’s current $49 million budget shortfall.

In response, Mizzou has had to lay off employees, decline to renew expiring faculty contracts, and leave positions unfilled after retirements. The university is also cutting back on travel and phasing out low-demand courses, among other austerity measures.

Mizzou claims more aggressive recruitment from neighboring states’ schools has contributed to the enrollment decline. And it says growing maintenance, research and personnel costs have contributed to the budget strain. But “we know the perception of Mizzou was a key factor in the difficulties we had over the past two years,” adds spokesman Christian Basi.

Much of the public outcry concerned free speech, and Missouri has tried to improve on that score. Since 2015, all campuses in the Missouri university system have adopted the Chicago Principles, which guarantee “the broadest possible latitude to speak, write, listen, challenge and learn.” But other speech policies at Mizzou remain ambiguous, earning it a mediocre yellow rating from the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education that tracks free-speech on campus.

In May 2017, the university signed a $1.3 million contract for three years of outside PR help. This year it has spent $1.8 million on ads to recruit and enroll new students. The school has added $8 million to its scholarship budget and will decrease the cost of student meals and housing next year.

But as of the first week in June only 4,577 incoming freshmen had paid tuition deposits. That’s about 500 more than the same week last year, but about 500 fewer than in June 2015, before the protests. Mizzou now graduates more students than it takes in, so the total number of students is still shrinking.

Missouri is learning the hard way that most students and parents believe a university should be a place for open inquiry run by administrators who will insist on it.

but protests at Berkley are good because...