University of Missouri Protests (Post Mortem)

[Spungo]

It is pretty funny that you want to equate this to real estate though, considering housing segregation is far more the product of explicit systemic racism by white people than anything else, haha.

Right. It's white mayors claiming they want a "vanilla city" and that black people should leave.

 

[glenn1]

How about the fact that people leaving explicitly say the racism is why they are leaving? People who are part of The Patriarchy want nothing to do with this crap. They don't want their money or children attending that school.

We're going to see who wins when the university has to decide between those people with money who support the university and students who pay full tuition, or the objects of the university's "diversity" fetish who were participating in the protests. Widespread social protests and big money donors are pretty much exclusive propositions.

 

[dainthomas]

Who knows? I know if I were an administrator and the likely outcome of my campus erupting into protest was its eventual decline I would be sure to try and make sure my campus wasn't pervasively racist so these protests were less likely though.

It is pretty funny that you want to equate this to real estate though, considering housing segregation is far more the product of explicit systemic racism by white people than anything else, haha.

That is assuming it is. If you're familiar with the story, that isn't at all clear.

So if it isn't, how does this administrator get rid of something that doesn't exist? Any measures taken will do nothing (by definition) and these people will continue to protest until they get bored, tired, or they're the only ones left.

 

[Spungo]

As already mentioned those are anecdotes from Heat Street, an ultra right wing 'news' site. It is not a very credible source and so there is no reason to believe those quotes are representative. If Doc is basing his interpretation off of the one given to him by extreme right wing media that's fine, I was just hoping for better.

What race do you think most of the donors are? If you create an institution where people have real debates about whether or not white people should be exterminated, don't act shocked when white people refuse to associate with that institution. It's the same as asking why black people don't donate money to the KKK. Why the hell would they?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

No I asked a fairly simple question. You are saying decline in enrollment and donation to sports teams is motivated by opposition to the protests. I simply wanted to know your basis for this.

Not many people want to go to a school or support a school with racial unrest...whether or not they're black or white. I thought that this was painfully obvious....I guess not.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Sounds a lot more like the aggression, harassment, and threats of violence got students to flee.
Who wants to attend the center of a riot?

^ This.

 

[Spungo]

We're going to see who wins when the university has to decide between those people with money who support the university and students who pay full tuition, or the objects of the university's "diversity" fetish who were participating in the protests. Widespread social protests and big money donors are pretty much exclusive propositions.

The same thing is happening in gaming. It's an industry worth more than the movie industry, and competition is extremely fierce since anyone can release a game online for next to no cost. Do the game developers listen to the people, mostly men, who have money and play games, or do they cave to feminists who want all female characters wearing burkas?

I don't have any faith in the intelligence of individuals, but I do have faith in the intelligence of capitalism and free markets. Companies like Nintendo catered to pussies, and their market share has been in freefall since the N64 days. Does anyone on earth own a Wii U? Meanwhile, adult franchises like Call of Duty and GTA are worth billions of dollars, and adult consoles like Xbox and Playstation dominate the market. As it turns out, catering to people who have full time jobs and tons of disposable cash is a good business move. Who would have guessed?

 

[waggy]

you should do some research and see if you can find out.

Go easy on Moonbeam. Years of self hate has declined his ability a self search. so he ask out of the need of community support to help.

Sounds a lot more like the aggression, harassment, and threats of violence got students to flee.
Who wants to attend the center of a riot?

bottom line this is the correct response. racist will do there best to turn it around and call those fleeing racist, those not donating now racist etc.

I for one wouldn't send my kids to teh school. It does not sound like a safe place for kids and the administration doesn't seem like it cares.

 

[fskimospy]

Not many people want to go to a school or support a school with racial unrest...whether or not they're black or white. I thought that this was painfully obvious....I guess not.

Why would that necessarily indicate a backlash against the people engaging in the unrest instead of the source of the unrest? For example, if people avoided Montgomery during the Montgomery Bus Boycott would that by definition indicate a backlash against Rosa Parks or would that instead be people wanting to avoid a situation like that entirely regardless of the merits of each side?

I have no idea where this situation actually falls, I just know taking an ultra right wing news source's word for it is foolish, hence my question as to where you were getting this idea from. That much should be painfully obvious.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

eskimospy, I don't know how I can be any clearer.

 

[chucky2]

LOL@Nick! <scream laugh> Keep it Nick'ing Nick lulz

 

[glenn1]

Why would that necessarily indicate a backlash against the people engaging in the unrest instead of the source of the unrest? For example, if people avoided Montgomery during the Montgomery Bus Boycott would that by definition indicate a backlash against Rosa Parks or would that instead be people wanting to avoid a situation like that entirely regardless of the merits of each side?

I have no idea where this situation actually falls, I just know taking an ultra right wing news source's word for it is foolish, hence my question as to where you were getting this idea from. That much should be painfully obvious.

So your position is that when donors stop writing checks and enrollment drops precipitously, it's a good thing&#8482; when it's happening because those people support the BLM protests, but a bad thing when they oppose those BLM protests?

Eskimospy logic in action: "Sure we had to lay off staff and eliminate most scholarships that predominantly advantage minority students, but that's OK because now the campus will be less pervasively racist."

 

[chucky2]

So your position is that when donors stop writing checks and enrollment drops precipitously, it's a good thing™ when it's happening because those people support the BLM protests, but a bad thing when they oppose those BLM protests?

Eskimospy logic in action: "Sure we had to lay off staff and eliminate most scholarships that predominantly advantage minority students, but that's OK because now the campus will be less pervasively racist."

Well, more accurately, will allow minorities to keep on being racist but Whitey will be even more verboten on speaking of anything even hinting of race except to completely support the minority position. So, not really less racist, just, pro-minority racist. LOL I love reading the Nickie entertainment! :thumbsup::wub:

 

[sactoking]

I'm going to shoot the messenger on this one. No, not Doc Savage Fan, but Jillian Melchior. I've actually had a run-in or two with her in the past and based on that experience I can't trust anything she writes to not be exceptionally skewed/biased.

That's not to say that Mizzou doesn't have serious, major problems.

 

[Moonbeam]

Black students were upset that they got teased on campus because of their race (which happens everywhere for us minorities). So they forced the president to quit and admin to quit.

Thank you for your helpful response.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Why would that necessarily indicate a backlash against the people engaging in the unrest instead of the source of the unrest? For example, if people avoided Montgomery during the Montgomery Bus Boycott would that by definition indicate a backlash against Rosa Parks or would that instead be people wanting to avoid a situation like that entirely regardless of the merits of each side?

I have no idea where this situation actually falls, I just know taking an ultra right wing news source's word for it is foolish, hence my question as to where you were getting this idea from. That much should be painfully obvious.

That seems fairly irrelevant since the source of the unrest in this particular case amounted to basically nothing.

EDIT: But I agree that a single budget shortfall and drop and enrollment could be caused by many things unrelated to these protests. I mean, for all we know these empty dorms would have been empty either way and the university blew too much money on buildings or something. I'm a little skeptical that the protests would have scared away that many prospective students.

 

[Moonbeam]

There were a couple threads on this when it happened last November. Did a quick search and found one thread, but I'm sure there are others.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2454228&highlight=click

Thank you for your effort to fill me in.

 

[fskimospy]

So your position is that when donors stop writing checks and enrollment drops precipitously, it's a good thing™ when it's happening because those people support the BLM protests, but a bad thing when they oppose those BLM protests?

Eskimospy logic in action: "Sure we had to lay off staff and eliminate most scholarships that predominantly advantage minority students, but that's OK because now the campus will be less pervasively racist."

I didn't say it was a good thing, I said that this kind of damage to the university was partially the point of the protests. How did you get confused by this?

 

[Moonbeam]

People are sick of this feminist SJW bullshit. Nobody wants to attend a school that panders to the lowest caste of society.

Thank you for your emotionally honest response.

 

[fskimospy]

eskimospy, I don't know how I can be any clearer.

I'll be as clear as I can be: as sactoking mentioned the author is not a credible source. Therefore conclusions drawn from extremely biased ultra right wing news sources are suspect. I have no idea why you wasted your time reading that trash to begin with, but there is a decent chance you've been duped by right wing media again. This is why I keep telling you to avoid this sort of nonsense.

Because I don't want to formulate an opinion based off an obviously biased source I was asking you for the basis for your opinion. Looks like it's based on crap, which is unfortunate. If you find a more credible basis for your theory I would be interested to read it, however.

 

[fskimospy]

I'm going to shoot the messenger on this one. No, not Doc Savage Fan, but Jillian Melchior. I've actually had a run-in or two with her in the past and based on that experience I can't trust anything she writes to not be exceptionally skewed/biased.

That's not to say that Mizzou doesn't have serious, major problems.

Exactly. The piece she wrote could be 100% correct but based on the source you would have to be a fool to trust it uncritically.

 

[Moonbeam]

you should do some research and see if you can find out.

Thank you for this offer of remedy to the apparent intention of my question.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'll be as clear as I can be: as sactoking mentioned the author is not a credible source. Therefore conclusions drawn from extremely biased ultra right wing news sources are suspect. I have no idea why you wasted your time reading that trash to begin with, but there is a decent chance you've been duped by right wing media again. This is why I keep telling you to avoid this sort of nonsense.

Because I don't want to formulate an opinion based off an obviously biased source I was asking you for the basis for your opinion. Looks like it's based on crap, which is unfortunate. If you find a more credible basis for your theory I would be interested to read it, however.

I said that not many people want to go to a school or support a school with racial unrest. Why is this statement such a problem for you? Is the basis of my opinion flawed in some way? Are you disputing the facts cited by the articles I linked? If so, please provide evidence that would support such a position and I'll reconsider my opinion on the outside chance that I've been grossly misinformed. Otherwise, please stop...you're just embarrassing yourself.

 

[Spungo]

Eskimospy logic in action: "Sure we had to lay off staff and eliminate most scholarships that predominantly advantage minority students, but that's OK because now the campus will be less pervasively racist."

He also said it was good when the cost of rent and food increases. I'm sure that won't ever cause a violent revolution or widespread social unrest.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Well, I found this, which shows a fairly steady increase in enrollment up to 2011. Then elsewhere (just Googled, various Mizzou web sites that I can't be bothered to link)...

2012: 34,748
2014: 34,935
2015: 35,050

A seemingly less biased source than the op's here implies that budget cuts were made in light of a decrease in enrollment, and not vice versa, which would indicate that the protests are scaring students away.