Originally posted by: Zakath15
Convince me Saddam is the same, on any level, as Hitler before you start equating the two situations.
Elected Military Dictator:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Executed his own people who disagree with him:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Dangerous maniac who controls a large army:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Willing to invade neighboring countries to get some "breathing room"
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Turned nation's army against it's citizens:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Originally posted by: charrison
After WWI Germay was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.
After the gulf war Iraq was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
We have no claim to the situation - what is so difficult about letting other people handle their own problems?
I bet you hope the police don't feel that way if you ever need them....or that if you're ever getting mugged in public that other people just walk on by and don't do a damn thing.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Elected Military Dictator:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Executed his own people who disagree with him:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Dangerous maniac who controls a large army:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Willing to invade neighboring countries to get some "breathing room"
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Turned nation's army against it's citizens:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
Originally posted by: shinerburke
I bet you hope the police don't feel that way if you ever need them....or that if you're ever getting mugged in public that other people just walk on by and don't do a damn thing.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: FettsBabe
You're sick of countries harboring terrorists - have you ever stopped to ask why terrorists exist in the first place? Why they hate the US so much?
Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we opress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no
All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?
In the end there is no good reason to hate us.
Originally posted by: charrison
Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we oppress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no
All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?
In the end there is no good reason to hate us.
You're in trouble then since like the Arab countries around Iraq they would be disinterested in helping anyone but themselves.....good luck...If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.
Not as modern as ours but they do have modern Russian built tanks, aircraft, and AA defense. They also posses a lot of French made modern military equipment.Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?
Some are, some aren't. The best equipped and trained, the Republican Guard, are loyal to him.Are the forces loyal to Saddam?
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
After WWI Germay was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.
After the gulf war Iraq was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.
Who created that situation?
What can we do to change it? If we had assassinated Hitler, what would that have changed?
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Quite impressive.
Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?
Are the forces loyal to Saddam?
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we oppress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no
All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?
In the end there is no good reason to hate us.
Question one - who are our friends?
Question two - have we gotten involved in situations we had no business getting involved in in the first place?
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.
Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.
There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.
I hope we NEVER save their arses again.
If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.
Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.
There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.
I hope we NEVER save their arses again.
What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?
If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
You're in trouble then since like the Arab countries around Iraq they would be disinterested in helping anyone but themselves.....good luck...If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.
Originally posted by: shinerburke
Not as modern as ours but they do have modern Russian built tanks, aircraft, and AA defense. They also posses a lot of French made modern military equipment.Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?
Some are, some aren't. The best equipped and trained, the Republican Guard, are loyal to him.Are the forces loyal to Saddam?
Originally posted by: charrison
The treaty of Versais was the beginning of WWII.
The UN agreements with Iraq after the Gulf War.
Both of these documents were out to punish, not to fix the problem.
Assignation of Hussien will do nothing. His son is next in line and apparently a bigger freak than his father.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.
Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.
There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.
I hope we NEVER save their arses again.
What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?
If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Quite impressive.
Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?
Are the forces loyal to Saddam?
the forces are. and france and russia try to help saddam modernize his forces.
Originally posted by: Zakath15
What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?
If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.
A conventional war/invasion on American soil will never happen for two reasons.
1. Two nice big oceans that separate us from everyone else. Unless of course Canada decides to get uppity and send their tank across the border.
2. The civilian populace here is too well armed and that scares the sh1t out of other countries. When I was in college and taking a History of the Soviet Union class our professor worked for the State Department as a Soviet specialist and only taught 2 days a week. Well about the middle of the semester he had an ex Soviet Colonel come to class and talk to us. Someone asked the question about how they would have attacked the U.S. mainland conventionally. He answered they would not have unless it was a last resort because we were too well armed. He did say that their plans called for an invasion in the NE and West coast because they thought they could capture and hold those areas. He said they knew they could never hope to take over the South or mid part of the country because of all the people with guns there that knew the terrain and how to effectively use their guns due to hunting.
And about people slamming France.....it's easy cause they suck.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison
Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we oppress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no
All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?
In the end there is no good reason to hate us.
Question one - who are our friends?
Question two - have we gotten involved in situations we had no business getting involved in in the first place?
Q1. Most of the free world. Kuwait and saudi are damn glad we saved their asses.
Q2. No organization is mistake free.