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United States is a hypocrite

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Of course not.

Iraq has violated the UN resolutions he agreed to. That's it. It's a UN resolution.

We have no claim to the situation - what is so difficult about letting other people handle their own problems?
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Convince me Saddam is the same, on any level, as Hitler before you start equating the two situations.

Elected Military Dictator:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Executed his own people who disagree with him:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Dangerous maniac who controls a large army:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Willing to invade neighboring countries to get some "breathing room"
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Turned nation's army against it's citizens:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes
 
Originally posted by: charrison

After WWI Germay was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.

After the gulf war Iraq was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.

Who created that situation?

What can we do to change it? If we had assassinated Hitler, what would that have changed?
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
We have no claim to the situation - what is so difficult about letting other people handle their own problems?

I bet you hope the police don't feel that way if you ever need them....or that if you're ever getting mugged in public that other people just walk on by and don't do a damn thing.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke

Elected Military Dictator:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Executed his own people who disagree with him:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Dangerous maniac who controls a large army:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Willing to invade neighboring countries to get some "breathing room"
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

Turned nation's army against it's citizens:
Hitler = Yes
Hussein = Yes

How large is Saddam's army?
 
They are very similar.

The point in my statements wasn't necessarily about Pearl Harbor.

Point 1 - The US said "let Europe handle it." Countries fall to Hitler.

Point 2 - The US said "let the remaining countries handle it." More countries fall to Hitler.

Point 3 - AHHHH, it doesn't bother us. We are still safe at home. Hitler has the majority of control in most of Europe.

Point 4 - Pearl Harbor.

Point 5 - All of a sudden the major disturbance that wasn't our business for a long time became our business.

Point 6 - If we didn't have the "if its not on US land don't mess with it" attitude then we could have saved the lives at Pearl Harbor, the lives lost in WW2, and some of the lives that were lost when the European countries needed help.

Point 7 - The US took care of business, but in my opinion we acted too late. Very late.

I'm not willing to take that chance again.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke

I bet you hope the police don't feel that way if you ever need them....or that if you're ever getting mugged in public that other people just walk on by and don't do a damn thing.

If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: FettsBabe

You're sick of countries harboring terrorists - have you ever stopped to ask why terrorists exist in the first place? Why they hate the US so much?

Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we opress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no


All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?

In the end there is no good reason to hate us.
 
Originally posted by: charrison

Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we oppress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no

All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?

In the end there is no good reason to hate us.

Question one - who are our friends?
Question two - have we gotten involved in situations we had no business getting involved in in the first place?
 
If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.
You're in trouble then since like the Arab countries around Iraq they would be disinterested in helping anyone but themselves.....good luck...
 
Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?
Not as modern as ours but they do have modern Russian built tanks, aircraft, and AA defense. They also posses a lot of French made modern military equipment.

Are the forces loyal to Saddam?
Some are, some aren't. The best equipped and trained, the Republican Guard, are loyal to him.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

After WWI Germay was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.

After the gulf war Iraq was a weak defeated country with heavy fines to pay, sanctions had been put on Germany and they were limited in the military they could build.

Who created that situation?

What can we do to change it? If we had assassinated Hitler, what would that have changed?

The treaty of Versais was the beginning of WWII.
The UN agreements with Iraq after the Gulf War.
Both of these documents were out to punish, not to fix the problem.


Assignation of Hussien will do nothing. His son is next in line and apparently a bigger freak than his father.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we oppress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no

All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?

In the end there is no good reason to hate us.

Question one - who are our friends?
Question two - have we gotten involved in situations we had no business getting involved in in the first place?

Q1. Most of the free world. Kuwait and saudi are damn glad we saved their asses.
Q2. No organization is mistake free.
 
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.

Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.

There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.

I hope we NEVER save their arses again.

What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?

If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.
 
If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.

Don't count on that. Most people run away because they aren't the ones being attacked and are afraid to help.

As a note, I was at Walmart this past Christmas and a couple who were separated went to buy Christmas presents together for their daughter. The father had his whole family waiting outside when they walked out, and he grabbed the baby. The baby is screaming as she was yanked from her mothers arms. He threw her in the front seat and flew out of there.

Do you know who helped? Psycho and I did. Other people watched. We had a few people to assist. If everyone would have stepped up. That child would have been home that night.

I stayed and reported everything to the police. I am the person who called 9-11 and reported the kidnapping. I am the one who called the Sheriff's department and Social Services. Psycho and I are also the ones who told one of the girls (well I was) to shut the hell up when I started calling 9-11. The other guy was constantly running his mouth to Psycho. He was alot bigger than Psycho and Psycho is 6 feet 210 lbs. She was calling the girl a "ni^%*&" lover and everything under the sun. Her two daughters walked up to me and apologized. They were approximately 14 years old. They brought their kids to help in the kidnapping.

Psycho and I are upper middle class US citizens. Yes, we help people in need, but we exist in very few numbers. You may want to think twice before you think everyone will help you. I assure you that they won't. Which is the exact reason why we need to help the middle eastern nations.

 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.

Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.

There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.

I hope we NEVER save their arses again.

What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?

If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.

thats not likely to happen, and its the viewpoints of the french and germans that got them into 3 major wars in a century.
 
AHHH, I left out a few other points. Psycho stood behind the car until the guy hit him with it. A guy with spanish desent took his hands and slammed them against his windshield to break it and tried to stop the car. Count 3 people were at the car when it could have made a difference.

When the guy was running Psycho ran after him telling him "this isn't the way to get your child." Everyone else watched and scrambled around.

True Story.
 
Originally posted by: shinerburke
If I'm two blocks away from you and I'm getting mugged, I would expect the people right next to me to assist me before I ever expected you to.
You're in trouble then since like the Arab countries around Iraq they would be disinterested in helping anyone but themselves.....good luck...

Then let them bear the consequences.

Originally posted by: shinerburke
Two questions, again - are they using modern equipment?
Not as modern as ours but they do have modern Russian built tanks, aircraft, and AA defense. They also posses a lot of French made modern military equipment.

Are the forces loyal to Saddam?
Some are, some aren't. The best equipped and trained, the Republican Guard, are loyal to him.

It was my understanding the Republican Guard were actually removed from his palaces due to his paranoia and the suspicion of sabotage.

Originally posted by: charrison

The treaty of Versais was the beginning of WWII.
The UN agreements with Iraq after the Gulf War.
Both of these documents were out to punish, not to fix the problem.


Assignation of Hussien will do nothing. His son is next in line and apparently a bigger freak than his father.

Do you really think a regime change will affect the situation? It will put a US-imposed leader on an arab country - do you honestly think that will last? Or be any better than before?

I've said this before, the only way we'll ever have peace in the middle east is to leave them alone, protect our own borders and European allies, let them realize the futility of jihad and religious government, and give them time to embrace democracy on their own.
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: JoeBaD
Another "Damn Yankee" thread.

Why don't we ever have a "Worthless France" thread.

There's a country that doesn't ever do anything accept in its own best interests.

I hope we NEVER save their arses again.

What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?

If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.

TIme for a topic change?
 
Originally posted by: Zakath15
What is it with idiots jumping in with comments like "france sucks" or "nuke Canada"?

If we ever have a world war fought on American soil, we'll understand the viewpoints of the French, British, Germans, etc with much more clarity.


A conventional war/invasion on American soil will never happen for two reasons.

1. Two nice big oceans that separate us from everyone else. Unless of course Canada decides to get uppity and send their tank across the border.

2. The civilian populace here is too well armed and that scares the sh1t out of other countries. When I was in college and taking a History of the Soviet Union class our professor worked for the State Department as a Soviet specialist and only taught 2 days a week. Well about the middle of the semester he had an ex Soviet Colonel come to class and talk to us. Someone asked the question about how they would have attacked the U.S. mainland conventionally. He answered they would not have unless it was a last resort because we were too well armed. He did say that their plans called for an invasion in the NE and West coast because they thought they could capture and hold those areas. He said they knew they could never hope to take over the South or mid part of the country because of all the people with guns there that knew the terrain and how to effectively use their guns due to hunting.

And about people slamming France.....it's easy cause they suck.
 
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: charrison

Quite often. And for the most part there is no good reason to hate the US.
Is our goverment perfect? Like any other,No.
Is it always just? LIke any other, No
Has our country done far more good than not? Yes.
Is our country free? Yes.
Do we oppress other? As a general rule, no.
Have defended our friends when asked? Yes
Have we backed away from friends in need? no

All this leads to, They hate us because they have a specific problem in our policys that they do not like or because we are successful and a free nation. Or maybe because we are not Islamic?

In the end there is no good reason to hate us.

Question one - who are our friends?
Question two - have we gotten involved in situations we had no business getting involved in in the first place?

Q1. Most of the free world. Kuwait and saudi are damn glad we saved their asses.
Q2. No organization is mistake free.

Q1. Who is not in the "free world"?
Q2. So we compound our mistakes by continuing to do it?
 
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