Unemnployment insurance increased to 99 weeks. Socialist Amerika :(

[DucatiMonster696]

So when are we going to direct Americans to jobs that "Americans won't do", because I am pretty sure (call me a psychic) that there are going to be a large pool of Americans looking for any type of job pretty to pay bills soon.

 

[Red Dawn]

I'll tell you guys a bold faced lie. Almost every guy I met in the union I was a part of got unemployment on their vacation. They'd just tell the contractor they're working for they were going to take a week off, they'd call the hall tell them they're laid off for the week and to put their name at the bottom of the list. They'd then sign up for unemployment, go on vacation, come back get their check and go back to work doing what they were doing before. Hell I knew guys who would take months off at a time because they made a bit and worked a lot of hours who would claim unemployment even though they could be working making 35+ an hour.

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[Jeffg010]

OP, while I agree with you in spirit, unemployment benefits are not even enough to cover my house payment. I can't imagine that ~$1000/mo is enough to keep the people who matter afloat.

So what are you doing now in case you lose your job? Oh ya nothing and there is the problem. People don't think a head and save for something like this. You have to have a buffer for the bad times but no one wants to do that. I have 0 debt own my house and 2 cars and have enough in my bank account to live on for 6 months. For the last 10 years I only made 30,000 to $50,000 a year. I live with in my means. I did not buy some 500k house or took out some godly loan. If I did not have the money I done buy end of story.

 

[Special K]

another Additional Unemployment benefits extension nixed!

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/24/news/economy/senate_unemployment_benefits/index.htm?hpt=T2

The legislation failed by a 57-41 vote.
The bill will now be pulled instead of trying for a 4th (!) time to pass the bill.

omg.. the purse string have (finally) closed!

i guess the Senates appatite is satatied at 99weeks

One clarification - they are not voting to extend UI beyond 99 weeks. They are voting to extend the deadline to file for the extended benefits so that more people have a chance to get the same number of weeks worth of benefits as those who started receiving benefits earlier.

Obviously that still costs more money, but they aren't proposing to extend UI beyond 99 weeks for anyone.

 

[bfdd]

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How about you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. Come in here calling me a liar when I'm telling you guys first hand something I've experienced and know tons of others who have done it also. So pretty much fuck you for calling me a liar.

Here I'll even break it down for you better. My first post I said a week of vacation, that doesn't work out because when you first file for EDD benefits in California they hold the first week. You would need to take a minimum of a two week vacation in order to get it. We would do it when we went to our apprenticeship classes, which btw we aren't unemployed we were just doing our mandatory training which was two weeks. Almost no one just took week long vacations either, I worked for 72 days straight 12-16 hours a day went for a straight month off after that. So did others and they filed for unemployment benefits while they sat on their asses at home. The steps I said is pretty much a rough draft of how it was done. The out of work list I mentioned is something you call when you were out of work. It means you're looking for work because as work orders roll in they start from the top. If you're in good with a contractor they'll just call the hall and request you specifcally with a work order so you could go right back to working for who you were working for.

 

[Patranus]

What sounds worse?

unemployment benefits for 99 weeks
or
unemployment benefits for 2 years

(If you cannot find a job in 2 years you have other issues)

 

[tk149]

How about putting some of the unemployed to work?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100624/ap_on_en_tv/us_immigration_take_our_jobs

In a tongue-in-cheek call for immigration reform, farm workers are teaming up with comedian Stephen Colbert to challenge unemployed Americans: Come on, take our jobs.
Farm workers are tired of being blamed by politicians and anti-immigrant activists for taking work that should go to Americans and dragging down the economy, said Arturo Rodriguez, the president of the United Farm Workers of America.

So the group is encouraging the unemployed — and any Washington pundits or anti-immigrant activists who want to join them — to apply for the some of thousands of agricultural jobs being posted with state agencies as harvest season begins.
[...]

"The reality is farmworkers who are here today aren't taking any American jobs away. They work in often unbearable situations," Rodriguez said. "I don't think there will be many takers, but the offer is being made. Let's see what happens."

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After 6 months, link collecting long-term unemployment with filling one of these crappy jobs. If a job is available, you work, and you collect some unemployment (based on your previous job's salary).

 

[bfdd]

If I lost my job today I wouldn't rule out being a farm hand to make money. I'd rather do something than nothing at all.

 

[werepossum]

How about you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about. Come in here calling me a liar when I'm telling you guys first hand something I've experienced and know tons of others who have done it also. So pretty much fuck you for calling me a liar.

Here I'll even break it down for you better. My first post I said a week of vacation, that doesn't work out because when you first file for EDD benefits in California they hold the first week. You would need to take a minimum of a two week vacation in order to get it. We would do it when we went to our apprenticeship classes, which btw we aren't unemployed we were just doing our mandatory training which was two weeks. Almost no one just took week long vacations either, I worked for 72 days straight 12-16 hours a day went for a straight month off after that. So did others and they filed for unemployment benefits while they sat on their asses at home. The steps I said is pretty much a rough draft of how it was done. The out of work list I mentioned is something you call when you were out of work. It means you're looking for work because as work orders roll in they start from the top. If you're in good with a contractor they'll just call the hall and request you specifcally with a work order so you could go right back to working for who you were working for.

I've seen this fairly often in the trade unions, especially when people have been working 7-10 or 7-12. They'll take a month off sometimes and ride unemployment. I'm sure it's illegal and it's definitely unethical, but I can't get too worked up about it because the same union pays the unemployment insurance.

Of course, it would have been nice to have that extra money in the system NOW . . .

 

[bfdd]

I've seen this fairly often in the trade unions, especially when people have been working 7-10 or 7-12. They'll take a month off sometimes and ride unemployment. I'm sure it's illegal and it's definitely unethical, but I can't get too worked up about it because the same union pays the unemployment insurance.

Of course, it would have been nice to have that extra money in the system NOW . . .

7-10s suck, 6-10s are worse, 5-12s are nice, 7-12 is lovely, 4-10's is the best.

Yes it's fairly common damn near everyone I met did it.

 

[werepossum]

So when are we going to direct Americans to jobs that "Americans won't do", because I am pretty sure (call me a psychic) that there are going to be a large pool of Americans looking for any type of job pretty to pay bills soon.

There are no jobs Americans won't do, there are only jobs Americans won't do at the current wage. Advertise for tomato pickers at $25/hour and you'll have a traffic jam. Historically either wages will rise until the position is filled, or the position will go away (no longer economically feasible), or some clever fellow will figure out a way to automate that process and eliminate the need. Now however we've combined outsourcing (with no import tariffs and favorable tax treatments) with importation of millions of cheap illegals. Unless we figure out how to reverse that process, we're boned as a country, bound to end up like Mexico or Brazil or a gazillion other countries with a small wealthy class, a small middle class, and a very large underclass.

 

[Red Dawn]

I've seen this fairly often in the trade unions, especially when people have been working 7-10 or 7-12. They'll take a month off sometimes and ride unemployment. I'm sure it's illegal and it's definitely unethical, but I can't get too worked up about it because the same union pays the unemployment insurance.

Of course, it would have been nice to have that extra money in the system NOW . . .

Your employer pays for it not the Union and any company that would do that is crazy, the price they'd have to pay if caught isn't worth it. Yeah I'm sure there are some unethical dirtbags out there like bfdd who'd do it if given the chance but they are no better than welfare cheats.

BTW I was in the Carpenters Union for 15 years and I never ever seen anything like that , none of the companies that I worked for would risk it and the Union I belonged too would never condone it.

 

[bfdd]

Your employer pays for it not the Union and any company that would do that is crazy, the price they'd have to pay if caught isn't worth it. Yeah I'm sure there are some unethical dirtbags out there like bfdd who'd do it if given the chance but they are no better than welfare cheats.

BTW I was in the Carpenters Union for 15 years and I never ever seen anything like that , none of the companies that I worked for would risk it and the Union I belonged too would never condone it.

Yeah totally unethical of me to do it, dipshit. I was 20 and new to it, everyone told me what to do so I did it. After the fact I never did it again, but I know numerous people who did. Btw Carpenters Union eh? You mean like how the Millwrights are now part of that union? Yeah they'd never do anything like that... oh wait no they did. Carpenters might not of done it, but Millwrights sure as fuck did.

 

[Red Dawn]

Yeah totally unethical of me to do it, dipshit. I was 20 and new to it, everyone told me what to do so I did it. After the fact I never did it again, but I know numerous people who did. Btw Carpenters Union eh? You mean like how the Millwrights are now part of that union? Yeah they'd never do anything like that... oh wait no they did. Carpenters might not of done it, but Millwrights sure as fuck did.

If true[] then they were scumbags like you. It's a shame you got away with it

 

[bfdd]

If true[] then they were scumbags like you. It's a shame you got away with it

Nice turning the attack on me when I've admitted to doing it once and not doing it again. Like I said I was new and people told me that's how it worked. Ignorance on my part, but I learned from my mistake and never did it again. I'm not even condoning the fact that it gets done, I came in here to let people know it happens. Don't be angry I called you a dick, you called me a liar when you were the one who was ignorant.

Oh and I like how you call me the unethical one. I got out of the union after almost 3 years because I got fed up with all the bullshit they pull. You stayed in and supported that crap for 15 years.

 

[Red Dawn]

Nice turning the attack on me when I've admitted to doing it once and not doing it again. Like I said I was new and people told me that's how it worked. Ignorance on my part, but I learned from my mistake and never did it again. I'm not even condoning the fact that it gets done, I came in here to let people know it happens. Don't be angry I called you a dick, you called me a liar when you were the one who was ignorant.

Oh and I like how you call me the unethical one. I got out of the union after almost 3 years because I got fed up with all the bullshit they pull. You stayed in and supported that crap for 15 years.

So you took two weeks off from your job to take a vacation and filed for unemployment and your company was Ok with that? I know being in the Carpenters Union you get a check every February from the Union for Vacation pay so you weren't getting paid by the Company for those two weeks.
I also don't see how being in a union, especially a great Trade Union like the Carpenters, makes me unethical, especially when I never did anything like that.

I still think you are full of shit.

 

[bfdd]

No Red Dawn, I had two weeks of my apprenticeship training I had to go do and was told to make sure I file for unemployment before I go, even though I had a job to come back to and I technically wasn't unemployed. I told you my hall in PM. I never did it when I went on vacation, but I know others who have.

That great trade union you're talking about is the same one I was part of bud.

 

[Zebo]

Nice turning the attack on me when I've admitted to doing it once and not doing it again. Like I said I was new and people told me that's how it worked. Ignorance on my part, but I learned from my mistake and never did it again. I'm not even condoning the fact that it gets done, I came in here to let people know it happens. Don't be angry I called you a dick, you called me a liar when you were the one who was ignorant.

Oh and I like how you call me the unethical one. I got out of the union after almost 3 years because I got fed up with all the bullshit they pull. You stayed in and supported that crap for 15 years.

Yea who in their right mind would want a solid pension, good health insurance, twice the wages, safety, job pool, etc Much much better to be a day laborer, no insurance paid 1099 and get tagged at end of year for back taxes like so many in the trades.

 

[Zebo]

If I lost my job today I wouldn't rule out being a farm hand to make money. I'd rather do something than nothing at all.

Habla espanol? Many farmer and contractors won't hire anything but desperate mexicans. Work hard in blazing sun and keep mouth shut.

 

[bfdd]

Yea who in their right mind would want a solid pension, good health insurance, twice the wages, safety, job pool, etc Much much better to be a day laborer, no insurance paid 1099 and get tagged at end of year for back taxes like so many in the trades.

Why do you think I joined up? I know why people would want to, but the whole organization fucking stinks to high hell. I would not rejoin even if they asked me to. They don't have the individual workers best interests in mind, just whatever can make the union more money.

 

[First]

... you're kidding me right? I have actually done it so if you're looking for some sort of argument here you fucking lose ok? I'll walk you through it step by step on how it works.

Step One: Tell employer you're taking time off, but you'll call them when you're back. (Get laid off)

Step Two: Call the hall and tell the nice pretty receptionist what your name is, that you need to get on the out of work list and that you'll be filing for unemployment.

Step Three: Go to the unemployment website(this is California so we would go to edd.ca.gov) and sign up give them your termination date, how much you were making weekly, blah blah blah, fill out the part that tells them you're part of a union, which, and who they can call to confirm.

Step Four: take your vacation and get paid.

That's how it works bud.

You changed your story kiddo, from getting paid from another job during the same weeks as getting paid unemployment benefits from the gov't, to purposefully taking vacation (without pay) and then filing for unemployment. If you're still claiming the former argument, like I said, you're full of shit since the gov't can (and has, I know for a fact) check employment status when you file a tax return. And if you're now sticking to the later story, all I ask is how is knowing that you'll have a job when you come back from unemployment cheating the unemployment system if you're not getting paid those few weeks? Maybe single people can afford to go a month without getting paid, but most families certainly can't. Claiming unemployment benefits during that time is absolutely reasonable if they're not getting paid from someone, that's the whole purpose of the program, to temporarily shore up a person's finances until they start getting paid again. Your BS story may have actually taken place, but it's certainly illegal and is easily stopped. And if you did it once when you were 20 then how long ago was that because I find it hard to believe that's happening often anymore given how much more difficult it is to get unemployment in the first place (can't have been fired from previous job, must have been employed minimum of 3 months, must not have a job simultaneously, etc.).

 

[bfdd]

First, the only time I've done it is when I had to take my apprenticeship training classes. They are two week classes and I was told by other guys to do it so I did. The steps I listed are exactly what you can do if you want to take a vacation too. So whatever you want to believe, believe, but fact is there are plenty of people especially in trade unions that do this.

 

[Zorkorist]

Good for USA.

Sorry California.

-Jihn

 

[First]

First, the only time I've done it is when I had to take my apprenticeship training classes. They are two week classes and I was told by other guys to do it so I did. The steps I listed are exactly what you can do if you want to take a vacation too. So whatever you want to believe, believe, but fact is there are plenty of people especially in trade unions that do this.

If you claim unemployment for a month because your employer forces you to take an unpaid 4 weeks of vacation, guess what, that's called being unemployed. It is entirely sensible to get unemployment during those weeks because you are, in fact, unemployed during that time. Most jobs actually give you paid vacation, that's why it's not "common" to ask for unemployment. But when employers skimp on paid vacations, people are naturally going to look for a way to make money.

 

[Zorkorist]

I'm going to claim unemployment, because I am not doing any work, and sleeping, lots.

-John