Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[OCNewbie]

Interesting part in red for those still arguing that GZ did not follow TM. What do you think changed in his behavior from those incidents where he followed the suspects to the incident of TM?

In both of those incidents the "following" was done while both parties were in vehicles. The TV theft was an actual crime that had taken place. Did a "fight" or attempted detainment occur in either of those incidents?

GZ did follow TM for some period of time. When GZ got to the T, and said "He ran", that was the end of the following as far as GZ knew. For all he knew, TM was just another one of the burglars that had entered the area and fled upon being noticed. Again, how do you continue to "follow" someone when you don't know where this someone is?

I really hope there are detailed GPS tracking logs of GZ's location that night. It should settle this (hopefully), one way or the other, if GZ's story of going to RVC, then back towards his truck on TTL is true or not.

 

[emperus]

From your quote



Again no violent history found

You see that Big OR there? Ok.... Means one or the other...
And even if it's raining you can't see it unless you open your eyes.

I keep saying you guys are crazy and you keep proving it.

 

[OCNewbie]

You see that Big OR there? Ok.... Means one or the other...
And even if it's raining you can't see it unless you open your eyes.

I keep saying you guys are crazy and you keep proving it.

His history of violence appears after the majority of the country is told he's a cold-blooded killer? And this "history" of alleged violence was so serious that no police reports were filed apparently.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

You see that Big OR there? Ok.... Means one or the other...
And even if it's raining you can't see it unless you open your eyes.

I keep saying you guys are crazy and you keep proving it.

You're the little kid who is mad because he's losing at monopoly, and is pitching a fit throwing game pieces everywhere.


I can't believe you're still trying to support this thug in the face of all facts.




Zimmerman was an upstanding leader of his community. He did his part to clean up the neighborhood, helped black citizens in the area, and was an overall great guy.

Yes, he went through a little thug phase some 7 years ago. Thankfully he got through it without viciously attacking an innocent armed man.

 

[emperus]

In both of those incidents the "following" was done while both parties were in vehicles. The TV theft was an actual crime that had taken place. Did a "fight" or attempted detainment occur in either of those incidents?

GZ did follow TM for some period of time. When GZ got to the T, and said "He ran", that was the end of the following as far as GZ knew. For all he knew, TM was just another one of the burglars that had entered the area and fled upon being noticed. Again, how do you continue to "follow" someone when you don't know where this someone is?

I really hope there are detailed GPS tracking logs of GZ's location that night. It should settle this (hopefully), one way or the other, if GZ's story of going to RVC, then back towards his truck on TTL is true or not.

I just think people are smarter than this. So, that's why I believe your either crazy or just blind by ur bias.

GZ, knew where he ran, He ran after him. And maybe he lost him and maybe he searched for him. But he followed TM through the complex and into that alley. Period.

BTW, GZ knows that there is only one entrance out of the back of that complex. So he did have a general idea of where he would be. So even that part of your statement is wholly inaccurate.

 

[Druidx]

Facts really don't matter to you GZ supporters...

More hypocrisy from Emp, you sure didn't care about the fact when you were proven wrong, you ignored them just like usual.
Let me refresh your memory

So now you've gone from a kid throwing sand on the playground to a baby throwing poop, all the while still failing to admit YOU were mistaken when you claimed Serino said it was racial, when he said the exact opposite.

What was your question again? For that matter, why should I care about your questions when you repeatedly fail to address your own misstatements?
Wouldn’t that be a better place to start?

 

[emperus]

His history of violence appears after the majority of the country is told he's a cold-blooded killer? And this "history" of alleged violence was so serious that no police reports were filed apparently.

Lol..

So the court documents regarding his arrest and the restraining order and police files regarding all the previous chases happened after he was arrested ur saying?

Cmon dude. Open ur eyes.

 

[OCNewbie]

Now, as I said above, you come up with a simple rational explanation for that night. One that doesn't include purple drink, TM being an international gangster with the police on his payroll or TM having a complete mental break. And let's see who is biased.

I did the above here:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=34964675&postcount=49836

You've yet to address that post, but I'm not holding my breath for anything beyond:

"Lolz, that's just stupid... if I was a teacher I'd give you an F for that! Lolz!"

 

[Londo_Jowo]

You see that Big OR there? Ok.... Means one or the other...
And even if it's raining you can't see it unless you open your eyes.

I keep saying you guys are crazy and you keep proving it.

What big or?? Neither are violent.

misdemeanors or nonviolent

Are you really as dense as you appear in this forum?

 

[emperus]

What big or?? Neither are violent.



Are you really as dense as you appear in this forum?

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you are smarter than me. Really? I think we both know the answer to that.

I posted in response to druidx post

As previously pointed out, people are grasping at straws, probably out of desperation when they talk about his violent history. Do you remember the diversion program he participated in? It was for first-time nonviolent offenders. So what exactly do you consider his recorded violent history?

The OR means that it was a misdeamonor or nonviolent offense. So, it wasn't necessarily a non violent offense. It was documented that he hit a cop. George admits grabbing the cop. So, what exactly are you arguing?

 

[emperus]

And lest we forget. His molestation. And molestation/rape arises from fear and intimidation or violence.

“I was a kid, I didn’t know any better,” the woman said. The last encounter happened when the woman was 19, she said. By then Zimmerman had moved to Florida, not long before his parents followed. That time, Zimmerman demanded that she lay down on the bed to receive a massage. Fearful, she said she did, but when he bent close to kiss the side of her face, his erect penis pressed up against her. At that moment she decided to run, she said. Zimmerman chased her to the front door.
“I was scared of what else was going to happen,” she said.
“With him, he like, he was a different person to me. He was very intimidating and the fact that he made everyone love him and made everyone laugh and be so happy around him, I knew if I said anything he would just deny it,” she said.

 

[echo4747]

And this

Interesting ... spitting arguing and apparently GZ never laid a hand or shot this person. This happened in 2003 eight years before the TM encounter. GZ was probably 21 at the time and even then he let the police handle the situation.

 

[OCNewbie]

GZ, knew where he ran, He ran after him. And maybe he lost him and maybe he searched for him. But he followed TM through the complex and into that alley. Period.

GZ got out of his vehicle to see where TM had gone; there's no proof GZ ran. TM went "behind the row of houses" where GZ wouldn't have been able to see exactly where he went if GZ had stayed inside his vehicle. He remained on the phone with dispatch that entire time, just like before, like you said, and no confrontations happened in the previous incidents, and no fights.

BTW, GZ knows that there is only one entrance out of the back of that complex. So he did have a general idea of where he would be. So even that part of your statement is wholly inaccurate.

Yes, only one entrance out of the back of the complex IN A VEHICLE. Was TM in a vehicle at that time? Did TM enter the complex through a vehicle entrance? Nope.

I suppose you believe that someone on foot couldn't have possibly cut between any of those various spaces between the buildings in that T area? Or how about hopped over the wall? This at the time unknown person had all sorts of options as far as where to go once in that T area and GZ knew that.

 

[OCNewbie]

Interesting ... spitting arguing and apparently GZ never laid a hand or shot this person. This happened in 2003 eight years before the TM encounter. GZ was probably 21 at the time and even then he let the police handle the situation.

Yup. And he was 19 or 20 I believe (GZ birthday 10/5/83).

 

[OCNewbie]

It's pointless to even argue this. Where is the proof that GZ was violent that night before the gunshot? There's ample proof that TM was the violent one and zero proof that GZ was.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Do you really believe in your heart of hearts that you are smarter than me. Really? I think we both know the answer to that.

Yes, but that doesn't mean it wasn't non violent. It was documented that he hit a cop. George admits grabbing the cop. So, what exactly are you arguing?

If it was so violent, GZ would have not be able to participate in the pretrial diversion program. I somehow think you never paid attention when Judge Lester said both this situation and his ex's restraining order where minor in nature.

 

[emperus]

Interesting ... spitting arguing and apparently GZ never laid a hand or shot this person. This happened in 2003 eight years before the TM encounter. GZ was probably 21 at the time and even then he let the police handle the situation.

Yes, Question, did GZ ever catch the person? And there is this which you subtly forgot.

he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him

 

[Londo_Jowo]

And lest we forget. His molestation. And molestation/rape arises from fear and intimidation or violence.

Unproven allegation. The victim can't remember the dates of the alleged incidents. Seems like she would have kept a diary that detailed such.

Her father considered GZ a son and helped him start his own insurance agency. I think this is jealousy that the victim's father never did the same for her.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes, Question, did GZ ever catch the person? And there is this which you subtly forgot.

he thought Mr. Zimmerman was going to attack him

However, GZ never attacked him. Try again, no violent past found.

 

[Druidx]

And lest we forget. His molestation. And molestation/rape arises from fear and intimidation or violence.

Of course you resort to this since you have nothing else.
I was probably one of the 1st GZ supporters to give the girl the benefit of doubt, I even argued in her defense when the story 1st came out but things have changed.
Too much of her story doesn’t make sense.
No one supports her story.
According to her they had a family meeting about it so everyone knew. Yet her dad helped GZ get a job and her brother was one of the 1st people in the family to publicly defend GZ. Are those the actions you would expect for someone who molested their daughter/sister?
When she 1st contacted the police it was to call GZ a racist but when she later questioned, she was unable to supply a single example of him acting racist, just his mom.

 

[emperus]

You guys are fn'ing crazy. Delusional City.

 

[emperus]

Of course you resort to this since you have nothing else.
I was probably one of the 1st GZ supporters to give the girl the benefit of doubt, I even argued in her defense when the story 1st came out but things have changed.
Too much of her story doesn’t make sense.
No one supports her story.
According to her they had a family meeting about it so everyone knew. Yet her dad helped GZ get a job and her brother was one of the 1st people in the family to publicly defend GZ. Are those the actions you would expect for someone who molested their daughter/sister?
When she 1st contacted the police it was to call GZ a racist but when she later questioned, she was unable to supply a single example of him acting racist, just his mom.

Go find a Peruvian and ask them about racism in Peru. You'll be amazed how much her story makes sense then. But seeing your a hick, you probably don't leave whatever swamp you reside.

Btw, his ex said the family was racist. His cousin says they are racist. What more do u need? Or you just somehow know better?

 

[emperus]

If it was so violent, GZ would have not be able to participate in the pretrial diversion program. I somehow think you never paid attention when Judge Lester said both this situation and his ex's restraining order where minor in nature.

Yes, the same judge, you gave GZ a 1 million dollar bond and said that he was trying to flee. So, do u want to believe everything the judge says or just what suits ur puposes? Let me know.

 

[OCNewbie]

You guys are fn'ing crazy. Delusional City.

Compelling argument.

 

[Druidx]

Go find a Peruvian and ask them about racism in Peru. You'll be amazed how much her story sense then. But seeing your a hick, you probably don't leave whatever swamp you reside.

Did this happen in Peru?
I know, you know, in fact everyone knows, you tried to support your weak argument that race was involved by claiming Serino said the same thing. It was proven Serino said the exact opposite but you are to egotistical to admit you were wrong. Instead you insult people and bring up stupid shit about Peru.