Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[Darkman]

What's this chit ... lol .. anyone knows ( too much information there for me )

http://dothprotesttoomuch.com/2013/...3-ring-circusdom/comment-page-1/#comment-6685

saw this posted on Pro-Trayvon forum

 

[soundforbjt]

lol

You disagree?

 

[Darkman]

What's this chit ... lol .. anyone knows ( too much information there for me )

http://dothprotesttoomuch.com/2013/...3-ring-circusdom/comment-page-1/#comment-6685

saw this posted on Pro-Trayvon forum

http://thejacksonpress.org/?p=5088

lol .. Pro-Tray(s) are getting excited now over this ... - "Trayvon did not deserve to die, even if this is found to be true...", "Seems they are trying to get Stuntzman to do an article and sending it to all the media outlets."

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Re: http://dothprotesttoomuch.com/2013/...3-ring-circusdom/comment-page-1/#comment-6685

I think the smilies are because 'they' think they have tied the jewelry to Trayvon. See link(s)

http://www.flcourts18.org/PDF/Press_Releases/Order to Inspect and Photograph Evidence.pdf

 

[spidey07]

Oh he absolutely deserved to die. Without question, according to state law, he deserved to get shot through the heart. That he died is just a consequence of his decision to brutally and viciously attack another who was doing nothing wrong.

Martin chose his path and destiny, he chose...poorly.

 

[Darkman]

LOL.........

Hi Bernie

Posted on May 1, 2013 by sundance

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2013/05/01/hi-bernie/

 

[OCNewbie]

So he ignored John. Why? What would have been TM's next play? Would he have been satisfied beating him up and then going directly to jail? Someone was watching him and was going to call the police, why would he be not afraid of the police or getting arrested and getting in trouble?

I think you're giving TM entirely too much credit for carefully thinking through his decision to attack GZ. The knowledge of potential arrest is always there for people who commit violent crimes, yet violent crime still happens. I wonder why that is?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Where do I state that John had any authority?

I have stated that while John was present, TM could have release GZ, if TM felt that he was in danger. Having John there would then have a witness to what ever GZ may have tried to do.

Did TM ever indicate to anyone that he felt he was in danger and needed help?

Instead, TM ignored John and the threat of his phone call to the police, not getting off of GZ.

We have 911 recordings of someone calling for "HELP" all the way to the shot. Is there any record of John calling out "GET OFF HIM, I AM CALLING THE POLICE!" other then in his own statement?

1) Did I say that John called out anything in the quoted post?

2) From which witness is the 911 recording?

3) Is there something wrong with John's statement - is it fictional/self serving?

 

[spidey07]

1) Did I say that John called out anything in the quoted post?

2) From which witness is the 911 recording?

3) Is there something wrong with John's statement - is it fictional/self serving?

Damn the evidence! All the evidence is wrong! It's all wrong!

 

[EagleKeeper]

Oh he absolutely deserved to die. Without question, according to state law, he deserved to get shot through the heart. That he died is just a consequence of his decision to brutally and viciously attack another who was doing nothing wrong.

Martin chose his path and destiny, he chose...poorly.

Very few deserve to die.

While his death may have been justified; deserving is questionable based on the info known.

 

[OCNewbie]

UBM:

I read these posts and am continuously startled that people allow their biases and prejudices to make their irrational statements sound rational.

Whenever you decide to point the finger at others for allowing their biases to affect the way they view this case, I feel obligated to share this quote to put in perspective who is doing the finger pointing. I think it's fairly obvious that your clearly stated biases are weighing heavily on what you choose to label as "irrational".

UBM:

Profiling and Racism are a part of my life and unfortunately will be a part of my childrens lives. I do pray that people become more tolerant and accepting of diverse races, so maybe it won't be that much a factor for them.

I would hope that just common human decency would allow you to appreciate, commiserate and try to hear my struggle and the struggle of African Americans who have been on the negative side of profiling and racism.

I am here because of that, and will continue to marshall whatever resources I have so African American children won't live in such a world, my children won't live in such a world. I think if the situations were reversed, you would do the same.

Pax.

And just to save you the trouble, because I know you feel compelled to fish up this totally irrelevant quote, where you go on about how I don't understand abstract concepts and such, when I mention the above:

Ok, so I'm in college, taking a Comp 2 class (ENC 1102). In general, I hate reading stories that are abstract in nature, or that use lots of metaphors, etc., as my brain doesn't appear to be wired to understand that sort of stuff; I like math, science, computers, etc.

and back to your post, UBM:

Again, you guys have completely let ur bias toward black youth cloud whatever judgment you may have had. In your mind of course all that is possible because black people are animals anyhow and like animals their behavior is irrational.

And it's your assumption that we are biased (to an apparently disgusting degree) that leaves you with the inability to rationally weigh any of the arguments that "we" might present.

Oh, and I just noticed this from that earlier post of yours:

I think the fact remains if TM wasn't black, he wouldn't have been deemed suspicous. He was not doing anything illegal that night. Those are not my words, but Det. Serino's words. Serino isn't black and those words came before all the media hoopla.

Funny that what Serino actually said is quite a bit different, but this wouldn't be the first time the honesty of a post of yours was in question (UBM):

"However, he said he believed Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because of his attire, the circumstances and recent burglaries in the area, not the color of the teen’s skin." (Link)

FBI report this info came from: http://www.talkleft.com/zimm/serinofbireporthigh.pdf

You continued to argue your assertion that Serino implied GZ profiled TM with your next post:

Det. Serino believed he was profiled before any media hoopla.

 

[EagleKeeper]

You continued to argue your assertion that Serino implied GZ profiled TM with your next post:

Det. Serino believed he was profiled before any media hoopla.

Serino was correct, Martin was profiled.

Because of his actions and dress; well before color/race came into play. And from what is being forced to be released by Miami Schools PD, it is closer to being correct than previously known.

But that fact does not stop those that want to use color/race as an excuse for anything that they perceive is "unfair".

Those that do so are as racist as what they protest against.

Is it because they are so afraid to look in the mirror and what they will see?

 

[OCNewbie]

Serino was correct, Martin was profiled.

Because of his actions and dress; well before color/race came into play. And from what is being forced to be released by Miami Schools PD, it is closer to being correct than previously known.

But that fact does not stop those that want to use color/race as an excuse for anything that they perceive is "unfair".

Those that do so are as racist as what they protest against.

Is it because they are so afraid to look in the mirror and what they will see?

I agree he was "profiled" in some manner, in that he wasn't actually seen doing anything illegal.

The crux of my argument/post though (in case it wasn't obvious) was regarding this quote by emperus, and that he implied those were not his words, but Serino's:

I think the fact remains if TM wasn't black, he wouldn't have been deemed suspicous.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I agree that emperus is using race as an excuse/justification.

I also tried to point that out in my previous post.

As also stated; Martin's actions were what initially triggered the suspicion and his following actions confirmed those suspicions - something did not seem right and should be investigated/followed up on. Race did not come into the picture until TM approached GZ and then it was reported.

The TM supporters want to overlook this. Actions speak louder than words. TM's actions that night (based on Zimmerman statements before the shooting) were suspicious and needed watching.
TM actions afterwards were of someone trying to remove a threat or PITA.
For someone who people state is innocent of wrong doing; Martin stepped well over the line.

 

[emperus]

I think you're giving TM entirely too much credit for carefully thinking through his decision to attack GZ. The knowledge of potential arrest is always there for people who commit violent crimes, yet violent crime still happens. I wonder why that is?

Such a non-sequitur. Yes, violent crime still exists and so what? Do those who commit those crimes stay until the police come? Do they generally desire to get caught? We are humans. We are ingrained with the innate ability for self preservation. Beating up a guy, trying to kill him (as some of you state) yards from where you are staying with people watching while the police are coming,while the guy is yelling "help me" is not self preservation. It is anything but self preservation. It is absolutely asinine to believe it is rational. And,it would only be rational if TM had a mental break that night. Because it so far removed from all reasonable or rational thought or all patterns of human behavior. Even thugs don't desire to get caught. That to argue it makes you look stupid and equally irrational. Capish?

 

[emperus]

UBM:

Whenever you decide to point the finger at others for allowing their biases to affect the way they view this case, I feel obligated to share this quote to put in perspective who is doing the finger pointing. I think it's fairly obvious that your clearly stated biases are weighing heavily on what you choose to label as "irrational".

UBM:


And just to save you the trouble, because I know you feel compelled to fish up this totally irrelevant quote, where you go on about how I don't understand abstract concepts and such, when I mention the above:



and back to your post, UBM:



And it's your assumption that we are biased (to an apparently disgusting degree) that leaves you with the inability to rationally weigh any of the arguments that "we" might present.

Oh, and I just noticed this from that earlier post of yours:



Funny that what Serino actually said is quite a bit different, but this wouldn't be the first time the honesty of a post of yours was in question (UBM):

"However, he said he believed Zimmerman targeted Trayvon because of his attire, the circumstances and recent burglaries in the area, not the color of the teen’s skin." (Link)

FBI report this info came from: http://www.talkleft.com/zimm/serinofbireporthigh.pdf

You continued to argue your assertion that Serino implied GZ profiled TM with your next post:

If you argued rationally, maybe we could have a rational conversation. It's just hard understanding why you can't think through some of the things I write. You're arguments are like ur in pre-school throwing sand. Barely thought out.

Just because I am here to advocate for someone doesn't mean I am biased in it. Does that compute? People can compartmentalize and be dispassionate. That is what I do, that is why most of my friends come to me for advice and most aren't happy with my advice. I'm good at seeing both sides no matter how close I am to the issue.

I have come up with a simple rational theory that makes everything that happened that night rational. GZ tried to detain GZ and TM saw his gun. That would make sense with GZ's conversation to the police, GZ being in that alley that night, the fight and TM continuing to struggle with GZ even though he heard people and even though he knew the police may be coming. See how rational all that is and simple to explain?

Now, as I said above, you come up with a simple rational explanation for that night. One that doesn't include purple drink, TM being an international gangster with the police on his payroll or TM having a complete mental break. And let's see who is biased.

 

[Druidx]

It’s cute how you throw out accusations of everyone else being biased in response to someone posting a quote from you admitting why you’re biased.
How when someone proves you were wrong about what you claim Serino said, you claim they are irrational and their arguments are like kids in pre-school throwing sand, barely thought out. While the whole time failing to acknowledge you were wrong much less admitting it.
I guess it would be too difficult to admit you were mistaken about something and still be condescending in your reply.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Love it.... As usual, the race brigadiers are by far the most racist people in here.


You perverse the word 'racism' with your perceived activism.

You are doing far FAR more harm to yourself, your culture, and your race by trying to "tip the tables" in the other direction. You supporting this outright piece of trash thug is so disgusting and sad, and far worse than the "white racism" you've wasted your life trying to point out at every corner.


I have lived many places in the US, and mild racism is almost everywhere. A white guy can walk down certain streets and get harassed, just like a black guy can walk through certain towns and get harassed.



You need to take those blinders off. Racism is not something limited to just white people, like you've been brainwashed to believe.

The sooner you accept and embrace that the sooner your life stops being a miserable depressed waste of time.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Such a non-sequitur. Yes, violent crime still exists and so what? Do those who commit those crimes stay until the police come? Do they generally desire to get caught? We are humans. We are ingrained with the innate ability for self preservation. Beating up a guy, trying to kill him (as some of you state) yards from where you are staying with people watching while the police are coming,while the guy is yelling "help me" is not self preservation. It is anything but self preservation. It is absolutely asinine to believe it is rational. And,it would only be rational if TM had a mental break that night. Because it so far removed from all reasonable or rational thought or all patterns of human behavior. Even thugs don't desire to get caught. That to argue it makes you look stupid and equally irrational. Capish?

So are you using the excuse that TM was irrational as jsutification for what he was doing and continue to do up until the final moments?

He did not consider what he was doing to be a crime; nor because of the kid gloves with run ins with the law; have any concern about repercussions as to what he was doing.

 

[EagleKeeper]

If you argued rationally, maybe we could have a rational conversation. It's just hard understanding why you can't think through some of the things I write. You're arguments are like ur in pre-school throwing sand. Barely thought out.

Just because I am here to advocate for someone doesn't mean I am biased in it. Does that compute? People can compartmentalize and be dispassionate. That is what I do, that is why most of my friends come to me for advice and most aren't happy with my advice. I'm good at seeing both sides no matter how close I am to the issue.

I have come up with a simple rational theory that makes everything that happened that night rational. GZ tried to detain GZ and TM saw his gun. That would make sense with GZ's conversation to the police, GZ being in that alley that night, the fight and TM continuing to struggle with GZ even though he heard people and even though he knew the police may be coming. See how rational all that is and simple to explain?

Now, as I said above, you come up with a simple rational explanation for that night. One that doesn't include purple drink, TM being an international gangster with the police on his payroll or TM having a complete mental break. And let's see who is biased.

Your theory does not account for the overall actions and evidence along with human nature.

The amount of struggle (time), evidence against Martin (injuries to Zimmerman); the lack of concern by Martin (ignoring John) - no indication at all that a gun was in play (No DNA/fingerprints of Martin)

 

[emperus]

So are you using the excuse that TM was irrational as jsutification for what he was doing and continue to do up until the final moments?

He did not consider what he was doing to be a crime; nor because of the kid gloves with run ins with the law; have any concern about repercussions as to what he was doing.

I'm not sure what post of min you read. But you clearly didn't understand it. Please quote me where I said TM was irrational.

 

[emperus]

It’s cute how you throw out accusations of everyone else being biased in response to someone posting a quote from you admitting why you’re biased.
How when someone proves you were wrong about what you claim Serino said, you claim they are irrational and their arguments are like kids in pre-school throwing sand, barely thought out. While the whole time failing to acknowledge you were wrong much less admitting it.
I guess it would be too difficult to admit you were mistaken about something and still be condescending in your reply.

Yes, he replied to a post of mine with an argument we've hashed and rehashed months ago that had nothing to do with the post he replied. And he wants me to now entertain and rehash that argument when someone who supports him even disagrees with him.

That is a kin to a baby getting caught doing something bad, reaching into his diaper and throwing poop everywhere. Hoping we would be too busy cleaning up the poop to remember what he initially did.

I asked a simple question. Instead of reaching into ur proverbial diaper of shit (in this case bullshit), just stay on point and answer my question.

 

[emperus]

Your theory does not account for the overall actions and evidence along with human nature.

The amount of struggle (time), evidence against Martin (injuries to Zimmerman); the lack of concern by Martin (ignoring John) - no indication at all that a gun was in play (No DNA/fingerprints of Martin)

What evidence doesn't fit? All the evidence fits in nicely. Human nature? If someone has a gun, you don't stop fighting until u get it or someone comes to help you. Yes, ALL RATIONAL people would ignore John unless John physically came over to lend assistance. Again. please give me any explanation for what happened that night, without TM drink purple lean or turning into the Incredible Hulk and losing all ability to control his actions and think reasonably. I'm beginning to think that since noone has, it is because noone here can.

Now, if you are beating someone up and you see or hear someone, you get up and run away so you don't get caught.

Eagle, to be a better advocate for your side, try being dispassionate and thinking through ur arguments. It doesn't help ur side when you keep presenting arguments that sound half baked and stupid. People with half baked arguments are people who generally know they don't have a true argument to stand on.

 

[Druidx]

Yes, he replied to a post of mine with an argument we've hashed and rehashed months ago that had nothing to do with the post he replied. And he wants me to now entertain and rehash that argument when someone who supports him even disagrees with him.

That is a kin to a baby getting caught doing something bad, reaching into his diaper and throwing poop everywhere. Hoping we would be too busy cleaning up the poop to remember what he initially did.

I asked a simple question. Instead of reaching into ur proverbial diaper of shit (in this case bullshit), just stay on point and answer my question.

So now you've gone from a kid throwing sand on the playground to a baby throwing poop, all the while still failing to admit YOU were mistaken when you claimed Serino said it was racial, when he said the exact opposite.

What was your question again? For that matter, why should I care about your questions when you repeatedly fail to address your own misstatements?
Wouldn’t that be a better place to start?

 

[spidey07]

Easy to say what happened that night, as all evidence supports the facts

1) Martin brutally and viciously attacks zimmerman and repeatedly pounds head into concrete, beating repeatedly about the face, head and skull including breaking his nose - this is supported by all evidence with no evidence to the contrary
2) Martin on top of zimmerman either continuing to batter him or hold him down
3) Z-man draws weapon and fires single shot less than 18 inches as martin is till on top of zimmerman who is on his back

All evidence proves these facts, there is no evidence against these facts. That's what makes it such a clear case of self defense, there is all this evidence including multiple eye witnesses that PROVE self defense.

You cannot mount somebody and pound their skull into the concrete, that is a forcible felony and automatically by law allows the victim to fire.

 

[emperus]

So now you've gone from a kid throwing sand on the playground to a baby throwing poop, all the while still failing to admit YOU were mistaken when you claimed Serino said it was racial, when he said the exact opposite.

What was your question again? For that matter, why should I care about your questions when you repeatedly fail to address your own misstatements?
Wouldn’t that be a better place to start?

Druid meet proverbial bag of bullshit.