Unarmed black 17 year old shot by Neighborhood watch captain in gated community...

[lotus503]

Wow, I'm surprised with this decision.

Me too the plot thickens, definetly advantageous to the defense.

 

[OCNewbie]

Hahaha...so so funny. You're talking to a guy in IT that has literally been on programs/projects in IT, on meetings with VP's, Dir's, same level on business client side, where some poor chinese or indian guy brought to the call to answer technical questions (because the higher ups don't have a F'ing clule unless it's spoon fed to them - hint: that's you) who doesn't know better asks, 'Why are we doing this, it doesn't make sense?', and it comes out that we need to do this because Legal wants us to make the change because some PC BS. Or we're on a level set call with just Leadership and we've got some PC VP who wants an option in there, well, because (the option happens to be a 'Press 1 for English'), she happens to be latina, and, weirdly, no one can find that in the functional requirements. When pressed, we're hushly told "Do it...".

If you are who you say you are, you are exactly the problem. Either directly, or, allowing the PC BS to actually happen by setting that tone.

The ironing is delicious....

And I'm telling you that's where you fail.
No exec Worth their salt makes business decisions based on political correctness. They do do based on what's best for the business. If that cross section is creating a Spanish speaking ivr prompt, it's because you have Spanish speaking customers.

If legal is dictating there needs to be a Spanish prompt there is a financial motivator behind it, such as risk mitigation.

Your assumption these decisions are made to satisfy some arbitrary PC initiative is wrong.

Take it to PM's guys, please.

 

[spidey07]

This judge has mainly been in family law type stuff, this may be brand new territory for her. If she follows the law, zimmerman MUST be found immune from prosecution and civil action. There is overwhelming preponderance of evidence (much more than the 51% required) of self defense, and NO evidence he committed a crime.

 

[JKing106]

You are quite confused. Someone who attacks the GOP with racist ("whitey"), homophobic (sexual attack on Spidey), and misogynistic (cheerleader) comments, pretending to be an understanding liberal. Yet you are obviously a Christian (bolded above).

I won't put you on ignore because you are semi-comical, but I won't respond to you and derail this thread anymore.

This coming from a person defending a racist sociopath who murdered a teenage boy? What is the term Londo loves to use... oh, right, Comedy Gold.

BTW, I'm no a Christian. It's a figure of speech. And no, I'm not a Muslim, either, before you start that bullshit.

 

[Geosurface]

Can we go back to the original, hot judge?

but regardless, this is great news for Zimmerman and therefore great news for the rule of law, Lester seemed to be on board with the lynching train. The new judge very easily could be too. Let's hope not.

Angela Corey needs to end up prosecuted for bringing illegal charges. Florida has specific law which dictates that an arrest cannot be made and charges cannot be brought in a situation which fits within obvious self-defense, no?

The charges were illegal, immoral, baseless. Angela Corey is a fat, stupid bitch.

 

[OCNewbie]

This coming from a person defending a racist sociopath...

Please explain, in detail, so others can understand where you're coming from, why you keep referring to GZ as a racist, a sociopath, and a narcissist. What, specifically, has lead you to repeatedly attach those extreme labels to GZ?

You're apparently convinced he's those things, among other labels you've used, so I'm curious what rationale you're using to apply those labels to him.

 

[JKing106]

Please explain, in detail, so others can understand where you're coming from, why you keep referring to GZ as a racist, a sociopath, and a narcissist. What, specifically, has lead you to repeatedly attach those extreme labels to GZ?

You're apparently convinced he's those things, among other labels you've used, so I'm curious what rationale you're using to apply those labels to him.

Common fucking sense and the ability to read.

Racism - The woman he molested for years has stated that the only black people the Zimmerman family liked were the ones who acted "white." Add to that "fucking punks," and "these assholes always get away," and it's pretty obvious Z-man is a racist. Zimmerman also taunted and ridiculed a co-worker who was Middle Eastern.

Sociopath - the constant lying with no sign of guilt or remorse. The indifference to the fact that pursuing Martin, who had done nothing to make Zimmerman think he was up "to no good," with a concealed weapon might not be a good idea. Beating women, assaulting police officers, being manipulative and deceptive over the bail situation. Showing no remorse or regret over killing Martin, saying it was all "God's plan." Lying to employer with a straight face about harassing the co-worker above (he was later fired for questionable behavior.)

Narcissism - feeling the need to appoint himself to a position of authority (neighborhood watch captain) which no one asked him to do, harassing neighborhood children to exert his delusional authority over them, trying to show up the police by not letting "those assholes get away," trying to exert authority over Martin, when he had none, which led to Martin being killed when he fought back.

All of this is plainly documented, and obvious to anyone who looks at the situation objectively, or doesn't have an agenda to protect CCW laws. Or is just a braindead white racist parroting other white racists.

 

[OCGuy]

I can't wait until he is acquited or SYG is held up and all of these liberal heads explode.

 

[lotus503]

I can't wait until he is acquited or SYG is held up and all of these liberal heads explode.

So this is a partisan issue?
Maybe for jackasses like you it is.

 

[lotus503]

Common fucking sense and the ability to read.

Racism - The woman he molested for years has stated that the only black people the Zimmerman family liked were the ones who acted "white." Add to that "fucking punks," and "these assholes always get away," and it's pretty obvious Z-man is a racist. Zimmerman also taunted and ridiculed a co-worker who was Middle Eastern.

Sociopath - the constant lying with no sign of guilt or remorse. The indifference to the fact that pursuing Martin, who had done nothing to make Zimmerman think he was up "to no good," with a concealed weapon might not be a good idea. Beating women, assaulting police officers, being manipulative and deceptive over the bail situation. Showing no remorse or regret over killing Martin, saying it was all "God's plan." Lying to employer with a straight face about harassing the co-worker above (he was later fired for questionable behavior.)

Narcissism - feeling the need to appoint himself to a position of authority (neighborhood watch captain) which no one asked him to do, harassing neighborhood children to exert his delusional authority over them, trying to show up the police by not letting "those assholes get away," trying to exert authority over Martin, when he had none, which led to Martin being killed when he fought back.

All of this is plainly documented, and obvious to anyone who looks at the situation objectively, or doesn't have an agenda to protect CCW laws. Or is just a braindead white racist parroting other white racists.

While I don't agree with you, nice job laying it out.

 

[spidey07]

So this is a partisan issue?
Maybe for jackasses like you it is.

It very much is. Only libtards are buying the lies of the race baiters and white guilters. Freedom loving republicans believe it is a fundamental right to defend yourself, liberals think you shouldn't be allowed to protect yourself.

Not to mention, by nature liberals are extremely racist, as evidenced by any skittle you've seen posting including you.

 

[lotus503]

It very much is. Only libtards are buying the lies of the race baiters and white guilters. Freedom loving republicans believe it is a fundamental right to defend yourself, liberals think you shouldn't be allowed to protect yourself.

Not to mention, by nature liberals are extremely racist, as evidenced by any skittle you've seen posting including you.

I probably have more guns than you do.
Blow it out your ass racist.

 

[spidey07]

I probably have more guns than you do.
Blow it out your ass racist.

I highly doubt that, racist.

 

[Infohawk]

Haven't been following the thread so not sure if this has been posted yet ...

Judge Lester has been ordered to step down

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-judge/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Florida's Fifth District Court of Appeal grants Zimmerman's request that Lester should be removed.

The remarks were gratuitous. It's not supposed to be like Judge Judy.

Me too the plot thickens, definetly advantageous to the defense.

Only in the sense that the state had a biased judge in their favor and now they don't. An impartial judge will only be an advantage to the party that deserves to win.

Anyway, finally we see a new development in this case. Does anyone know if there's another hearing date lined up?

Edit: this is also a reminder to some of the anti-Zimmerman types that if a judge or jury ignores the law or makes an unreasonable conclusion based on the facts, the appeals courts can and will step in.

 

[JKing106]

It very much is. Only libtards are buying the lies of the race baiters and white guilters. Freedom loving republicans believe it is a fundamental right to defend yourself, liberals think you shouldn't be allowed to protect yourself.

Not to mention, by nature liberals are extremely racist, as evidenced by any skittle you've seen posting including you.

Drinking again, huh? Careful, you might shoot yourself while posing in the mirror, pretending to be the Z-Man.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The remarks were gratuitous. It's not supposed to be like Judge Judy.



Only in the sense that the state had a biased judge in their favor and now they don't. An impartial judge will only be an advantage to the party that deserves to win.

Anyway, finally we see a new development in this case. Does anyone know if there's another hearing date lined up?

Edit: this is also a reminder to some of the anti-Zimmerman types that if a judge or jury ignores the law or makes an unreasonable conclusion based on the facts, the appeals courts can and will step in.

If I'm not mistaken the next court date is October 3rd.

 

[TerryMathews]

The remarks were gratuitous. It's not supposed to be like Judge Judy.



Only in the sense that the state had a biased judge in their favor and now they don't. An impartial judge will only be an advantage to the party that deserves to win.

Anyway, finally we see a new development in this case. Does anyone know if there's another hearing date lined up?

Edit: this is also a reminder to some of the anti-Zimmerman types that if a judge or jury ignores the law or makes an unreasonable conclusion based on the facts, the appeals courts can and will step in.

This x100. There is no equivalent to jury nullification for conviction. A judge can, and is compelled to by duty, set aside a jury's verdict if it is not consistent with the law.

The cases certainly aren't comparable, but I think we're about to see that happen in Apple v. Samsung thanks to the jury foreman's comments re: prior art.

 

[spidey07]

True. Our judicial system, rights and laws aren't perfect.

But damn I love my country for its protections. Love the constitution.

Innocent until proven guilty. Shenanigns aren't allowed.

 

[Screech]

It very much is. Only libtards are buying the lies of the race baiters and white guilters. Freedom loving republicans believe it is a fundamental right to defend yourself, liberals think you shouldn't be allowed to protect yourself.

Not to mention, by nature liberals are extremely racist, as evidenced by any skittle you've seen posting including you.

Angela Corey is a Republican, lol.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Haven't been following the thread so not sure if this has been posted yet ...

Judge Lester has been ordered to step down

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/29/justice/florida-zimmerman-judge/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

Florida's Fifth District Court of Appeal grants Zimmerman's request that Lester should be removed.

:thumbsup:
As I expected - Lester had showed a bias as an judge against Zimmerman

He was put in a no-win situation with the bail.
He had to revise it because of what happened; but in doing so; his anger at the situation contaminated him.

 

[TerryMathews]

:thumbsup:
As I expected - Lester had showed a bias as an judge against Zimmerman

He was put in a no-win situation with the bail.
He had to revise it because of what happened; but in doing so; his anger at the situation contaminated him.

It's funny, all the people who swore there was nothing wrong with his comments like sound and emperus and jking and Tasha. I wonder when they'll comment...

 

[JKing106]

It's funny, all the people who swore there was nothing wrong with his comments like sound and emperus and jking and Tasha. I wonder when they'll comment...

Shake off the hangover, and try that again in English, Billy Bob.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Please explain, in detail, so others can understand where you're coming from, why you keep referring to GZ as a racist, a sociopath, and a narcissist. What, specifically, has lead you to repeatedly attach those extreme labels to GZ?

You're apparently convinced he's those things, among other labels you've used, so I'm curious what rationale you're using to apply those labels to him.

Common fucking sense and the ability to read.

Racism - The woman he molested for years has stated that the only black people the Zimmerman family liked were the ones who acted "white." Add to that "fucking punks," and "these assholes always get away," and it's pretty obvious Z-man is a racist. Zimmerman also taunted and ridiculed a co-worker who was Middle Eastern.
Yet you have no problems ignoring current actions of Zimmerman regarding helping local black youths - Zimmerman's attitude was directed specifically at a group of people that were flaunting the law (punks) - not a black youths in general.

Sociopath - the constant lying with no sign of guilt or remorse.

• The indifference to the fact that pursuing Martin, who had done nothing to make Zimmerman think he was up "to no good," with a concealed weapon might not be a good idea.
  
  Martin's was profiled based on actions of others and fit. While Martin may not have been guilty of such; he acted from Zimmerman's POV like others had - enough for him to be concerned.​
• Beating women
  
  Cross filed - indication that both may have been at fault.​
• assaulting police officers
  
  Extreme exaggeration - putting a hand on one is not assault - especially when the person was out of uniform and the charges were dropped. That actual incident was also determined to be irrelevant by a judge that has been shown to be biased against Zimmerman.​
• being manipulative and deceptive over the bail situation.
  
  Ok for the state to screw around with him; but he is not allowed to try to protect what he has from the state that was trying to railroad him. I do not condone what he did, but understand it and why he did it​
  [*}Showing no remorse or regret over killing Martin, saying it was all "God's plan."
  
  He did show remorse and apologize​
• Lying to employer with a straight face about harassing the co-worker above (he was later fired for questionable behavior.)
  
  Have not researched it. He may have felt that what he did was not harassment - similar to your off the wall personal attacks are just considered by you to be a joke​

Narcissism

• Feeling the need to appoint himself to a position of authority (neighborhood watch captain) which no one asked him to do
  
  Is something wrong with volunteering?​
• harassing neighborhood children to exert his delusional authority over them,
  
  delusional is your word​
• trying to show up the police by not letting "those assholes get away,"
  
  How about trying to help by keeping track because previously the police would not get there in time; he had a chance to provide extra info; take it.​
• trying to exert authority over Martin, when he had none
  
  where did he try to exert authority - a questiona was asked - that is exerting authority? ​
• which led to Martin being killed when he fought back.
  
  
  define he - Martin or Zimmerman?
  

  • If Martin - where is evidence that he fought back.
  • If Zimmerman - then you are admitting that Martin did attack him and Zimmerman needed to defend himself in one manner or another

All of this is plainly documented, and obvious to anyone who looks at the situation objectively, or doesn't have an agenda to protect CCW laws. Or is just a braindead white racist parroting other white racists.

And we have seen also here in the TM crowd, a braindead racist parroting other racists.

As pointed out in bold - each of your viewpoint can be addressed in another fashion.

Given that fact that you have problems with conveying your points at time you have to result to gutter language indicates how confident you are on your stand.

The same goes with anyone on either side.

Yet a sampling seems to be the TM side acts as the gutter trash much more than the GZ crowd.

However, there are some that break the mold

While I don't agree with you, nice job laying it out.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Angela Corey is a Republican, lol.

She is a politician first :thumbsdown:

 

[EagleKeeper]

It's funny, all the people who swore there was nothing wrong with his comments like sound and emperus and jking and Tasha. I wonder when they'll comment...

Those loud ones cheering on the judge's decisions wanted to put justice aside and saw the judge was acting impartial. It did not bother them.

They knew it and cheered him on.


They will not be able to comment clearly but pass the baton.

Case in point

Shake off the hangover, and try that again in English, Billy Bob.